IA - Mollie Tibbetts, 20, Poweshiek County, 19 Jul 2018 *Arrest* #42

[glamourkitty1922]

If he didn’t think killing was wrong he had no reason to hide the body in a cornfield or cover it with cornstalks. While LE was asking for information about Mollie’s disappearance, he chose to keep quiet. He knew what he did was wrong.

He didn't think it was wrong while killing the poor girl. I don't think the monster has a conscience. He didn't think killing her was wrong, he has nothing but contempt for American laws and people. There is a difference between knowing something is wrong and knowing something is illegal.

 

[SharonNeedles]

I thought you were leaning in this direction. Do you have any feeling for whether he might be the person responsible for the sexual assaults in Tama and some of the other nearby counties?

I have no reason to believe they're related... My gut tells me they're not.

 

[TL4S]

I'm probably the only person to believe this, but I think there's a possibility that he hadn't set out that day to abduct or assault anyone. Don't throw any rotten eggs or tomatoes at me, I can't stand either! I was thinking he might just not be creative enough to make up a plausible story, so he more or less told the truth, but blocked out the parts that were hardest to admit to. Before I go any farther, I want to make it clear that what I'm about to say in no way excuses anything he did to MT during or after their encounter.

Maybe he had a lousy day, as many of us do, and decided to go for a drive to let off steam. When he saw MT running down the street looking happy, healthy and determined, it may have made him focus his anger/frustration on her. He drove by her several times while deciding what he wanted to do with her (like did he want to have a girl like her or did he want to destroy the symbol of what was missing in his life?) He really may have been dumb enough to think that she'd stop and talk with him if he approached her (but I really doubt it), but when she threatened to call the police it lit the fuse and he exploded. It wasn't because he was afraid of being deported or going to jail, and it wasn't that he felt rejected; it was more that it was one more frustration (the straw that broke the camel's back?) added to an already miserable day. That could account for why he doesn't appear to have had a plan laid out for what would happen once he got her.

I know many people who have tempers like that, but most haven't gone so far as to actually kill someone, yet. If he knew there was a possibility of totally losing control, he should never have gone near another person if he was in that kind of mood, and at his age, he should be aware of what he's capable of when he loses his temper. As I said, it wouldn't excuse anything he did, but it might help explain some of his weird actions. MOO

Please don't feel like your opinions are not welcomed. Since we only have the facts LE has handed to us, we're ALL just guessing. I'm not ready to settle on any one scenario and shoot down everyone else who doesn't see it the same way. In fact, there's a lot to be learned from each other.

People's theories here come from personal experiences and beliefs, educated backgrounds, research, and gut feelings. I don't recall a single one of us, prior to MT's body being found, stating, "JMO It's an illegal immigrant who works on a dairy farm (MOO) with an anger problem that causes him to 'block' his 'memories' and drive 15 miles south and she'll be found covered in corn leaves."

 

[glamourkitty1922]

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A terrible choice is deciding to drive down a icy road with poor tires and accidently killing someone. This was cold blooded murder.

 

[MyBelle]

People do not need to be United States citizens to get married in Iowa. Or any other state. Nor do they need to be eligible for Social Security.

Often, they will accept a school identification card as "government" documents. With a birth certificate.

One member of the party, not all.

Wrong. CR didn't go to school in the U.S. and he didn't have a birth certificate that matched his fake name on the photo ID or social security card which he used to gain employment. It is very clear in the link in my previous post that both parties must comply. All citizens are issued Social Security numbers at birth.

Obtaining A Marriage License » Poweshiek County » IA

 

[Al Hoffman]

I totally agree with @Confusion. The most terrifying aspect of this case for me is that CR by all accounts seems to be a pretty good person. He's described as a caring and responsible father, a hard working and dependable employee, somebody with no criminal record - nobody really has anything bad to say about him. We all came here looking for a monster and I'm sorry if that's what you think you see, but everything about his life in Iowa is turning out to be pretty normal and unremarkable.

Obviously that changed very quickly and my heart breaks for Mollie and her family. And as a parent raising teenage girls in the area, this is truly the nightmare scenario for me. It was easier to think whoever did this to Mollie was some kind of creep, the kind of person we should know to stay away from. It's a lot harder to accept this could be... anybody. Never let your guard down, if this can happen here it can happen anywhere.

It's a hard lesson to learn, but a good one to take to heart! Sorry that it had to happen in your corner of Iowa, but you're right that it can happen anywhere.

 

[ChuckMaureen]

bbm

Yet, he had a forged ID and he killed someone. Obviously he didn't think killing was wrong.

This really bothers me: CR worked 4+ years under a "forged ID"?
Did every/anyone CR worked with refer to him by his 'forged' name or his 'real' name?
Did CR ever attend work-related gatherings with friends and/or family?

I believe answers to those questions are important because they could be aspects of the overall catalyst of why CR felt he had to murder MT.

How does that happen?

 

[MistyWaters]

I totally agree with @Confusion. The most terrifying aspect of this case for me is that CR by all accounts seems to be a pretty good person. He's described as a caring and responsible father, a hard working and dependable employee, somebody with no criminal record - nobody really has anything bad to say about him. We all came here looking for a monster and I'm sorry if that's what you think you see, but everything about his life in Iowa is turning out to be pretty normal and unremarkable.

Obviously that changed very quickly and my heart breaks for Mollie and her family. And as a parent raising teenage girls in the area, this is truly the nightmare scenario for me. It was easier to think whoever did this to Mollie was some kind of creep, the kind of person we should know to stay away from. It's a lot harder to accept this could be... anybody. Never let your guard down, if this can happen here it can happen anywhere.

I’m reminded of the word “snap”.

This is not a legal defence, at least it didn’t work for Jodi Arias.

The 9 reasons why people snap, according to a neurobiologist
The 9 reasons why people snap, according to a neurobiologist

 

[glamourkitty1922]

I totally agree with @Confusion. The most terrifying aspect of this case for me is that CR by all accounts seems to be a pretty good person. He's described as a caring and responsible father, a hard working and dependable employee, somebody with no criminal record - nobody really has anything bad to say about him. We all came here looking for a monster and I'm sorry if that's what you think you see, but everything about his life in Iowa is turning out to be pretty normal and unremarkable.

Obviously that changed very quickly and my heart breaks for Mollie and her family. And as a parent raising teenage girls in the area, this is truly the nightmare scenario for me. It was easier to think whoever did this to Mollie was some kind of creep, the kind of person we should know to stay away from. It's a lot harder to accept this could be... anybody. Never let your guard down, if this can happen here it can happen anywhere.

Well, when only the friends and family of the monster are interviewed, of course you don't hear anything other than good things.

 

[Al Hoffman]

Wrong. CR didn't go to school in the U.S. and he didn't have a birth certificate that matched his fake name on the photo ID or social security card which he used to gain employment. It is very clear in the link in my previous post that both parties must comply. All citizens are issued Social Security numbers at birth.

Obtaining A Marriage License » Poweshiek County » IA

And you can buy a passable SET of fake ID: DL or State ID card, matching SSN card and Birth Certificate. Certainly enough to get a job and to get married. It's a business that ICE is working on busting, along with Homeland Security.

 

[MyBelle]

Agreed, but what exactly was the out of state ID used? A fake or an altered OOS state issued ID is of course possible and most likely used to get his job; as proof of ID, this would have sufficed. He could have even been driving on an altered but legit Iowa ID, his picture would not be in the system, but present on the DL, but the DL would pass a roadside LE ID check, if even called in by the stopping LEO.

I don't know what state ID he used because the employer didn't say. But he did say CR also used a fraudulent SS #. An employer needs a valid SS# for IRS purposes.

 

[glamourkitty1922]

I have no reason to believe they're related... My gut tells me they're not.

Why is that?

 

[Confusion]

All citizens are issued Social Security numbers at birth.

Someone must have forgotten to tell the Social Security office that. You can get a card for your baby at birth, but it isn't automatic. If you apply while in the hospital, you'll get the card much sooner than if you wait until later and go to the Social Security Office to apply.
Top Questions About Social Security | USAGov

 

[glamourkitty1922]

I don't know what state ID he used because the employer didn't say. But he did say CR also used a fraudulent SS #. An employer needs a valid SS# for IRS purposes.

The number was valid, it just didn't belong to the monster. He stole someone's identity. It's a big business.

 

[Confusion]

I’m reminded of the word “snap”.

This is not a legal defence, at least it didn’t work for Jodi Arias.

The 9 reasons why people snap, according to a neurobiologist
The 9 reasons why people snap, according to a neurobiologist

Can you show me where I said it was a legal defense?

 

[SharonNeedles]

Why is that?

The only common denominator is they are sexual assaults in eastern Iowa.

 

[Jaclin]

Yet, he had a forged ID and he killed someone. Obviously he didn't think killing was wrong.

I think he definitely knew killing was wrong and just chose to do it anyway.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Wrong. CR didn't go to school in the U.S. and he didn't have a birth certificate that matched his fake name on the photo ID or social security card which he used to gain employment. It is very clear in the link in my previous post that both parties must comply. All citizens are issued Social Security numbers at birth.

Obtaining A Marriage License » Poweshiek County » IA

Applying for an SSN Today

In August 1987, SSA began a three-state pilot of the "Enumeration at Birth" (EAB) process in which the parent of a newborn can request an SSN as part of the state's birth registration process. Additional states began to participate in EAB in July 1988. By the end of 1991, 45 states, the District of Columbia, Puerto Rico, and New York City had signed agreements (Long 1993, 83). Today, over 90 percent of parents use the EAB process offered in all 50 states plus Puerto Rico and the District of Columbia. SSA receives nearly three-quarters of original SSN applications through the EAB process and issues over 4 million SSNs via EAB each year (SSA 2006). No microfilm SS-5 exists for a record created through the EAB process.

Looks like it's voluntary for parents to get a SSN# for newborns.

The Story of the Social Security Number

 

[glamourkitty1922]

The only common denominator is they are sexual assaults in eastern Iowa.

So, there are more sexual preditors in that sparsely populated area? Has there been any more assaults since the monster was caught?

 

[kpm]

bbm


This really bothers me: CR worked 4+ years under a "forged ID"?
Did every/anyone CR worked with refer to him by his 'forged' name or his 'real' name?
Did CR ever attend work-related gatherings with friends and/or family?

I believe answers to those questions are important because they could be aspects of the overall catalyst of why CR felt he had to murder MT.

How does that happen?

According to the dairy farmers, he was know by his fake name, they didn’t recognize the name LE gave until they saw his picture

Whether or not that was the case when he was with his co-workers is another story, I think they all tend to use fake names if working here illegally