IA - Mollie Tibbetts, 20, Poweshiek County, 19 Jul 2018 *Arrest* #42

[Charliegizmo49]

Why did the judge state that he may have to register as a sex offender ?

Judges have a vast experience behind them. She also knows much more than is written in court records.


Many of us, without documentation, believe there are many aspects of the case that point to a sexually motivated assault and murder.

I can only hope that the forensic anthrpologist hired can find the evidence to clearly indicate everything that happened to Mollie prior to death.

Mollie did nothing to deserve this. She was a wholesome girl who had a very bright future. She celebrated God and was everything good we wanted for our daughters, sisters and girlfriends. Everyone has a Mollie Tibbets in their circle of family and friends. And most of us are taking the destruction of a sweet, kind girl as s personal affront. She was a perfect phenomenal example of a good Midwest girl.

We will never know what Mollie Tibbetts would have become. That’s certainly a good part of the mystique that envelopes Mollie. Each of us know or hopes she would have been a great scholar, and a compassionate counselor. And that’s part of the reason we are attached to her. Her future is now in the minds of each of us. Our opinions may vary, but we all believe she was destined to live the American Dream. Then an encounter with a monster took it all away. Now we feel the need to stand up and correct that on her behalf. It’s part of the process we need to complete in order to accept her death.

CBR in all likelihood killed a part of our very substance when he murdered Mollie. She was an example of the perfect All American girl next door who everyone lived and admired. Killing her impinged on everything good we believe in a young person.

Whether or not Mollie actually was as perfect as we believe doesn’t matter. We believe she was, and to many of us that’s enough to make it so. And we fight to protect our hero’s and the overall ideals we share.



I’m sorry for MTs family and friends who will miss her dearly. They will have to accept the fact that in death Mollie will take on a celebrity status. <modsnip>>

 

[MsBetsy]

It’s confusing to us because we can’t see all the details, we are trying to piece it together

Fitbit data is sketchy at best and is new to them

Numerous things could have occurred with it that would invalidate the data it collected

Maybe it was broken in a scuffle at 8:28 or taken off?

Only her clothes were reported in the warrant, were the other things there or missing?

They pulled him into questioning on the 20th and the warrant was drafted the 21st, they have hours of statements from him he don’t even know about.

Right but others have been pretty insistent that the wording in the affidavit is accurate, and implies police believe firmly in this timeline, or they would not have stated it as such. There was a great deal of discussion on it earlier. It's not like they are guessing based on the data they have. That's the impression I got. We can't see all the details but can at least read the affidavit which would appear that they are pretty confident in the details. And they would not have included that specific timeframe unless they were sure, meaning the data is solid, not sketchy at all. Jmo

 

[TL4S]

I agree somewhat. That is why I stressed this was my own opinion and what I think.

I only based my opinions on following abduction..rape and murder cases like this one for almost 4 decades.

My opinion could certainly be innocorrect but it is not a wild theory for it has happened countless time to other victims..imo.

I hope I didn't make it sound like I was disagreeing. Quite the contrary, I liked your last paragraph because I think it's important to acknowledge the possibility that MT had reason not to fight, or never had a chance.

 

[kpm]

Right but others have been pretty insistent that the wording in the affidavit is accurate, and implies police believe firmly in this timeline, or they would not have stated it as such. There was a great deal of discussion on it earlier. It's not like they are guessing based on the data they have. That's the impression I got. We can't see all the details but can at least read the affidavit which would appear that they are pretty confident in the details. And they would not have included that specific timeframe unless they were sure, meaning the data is solid, not sketchy at all. Jmo

Right, some event happened at 7:45 and another at 8:28

In the box “Is date and time of incident know” they wrote NO

They have probable cause to believe based on his admissions and statements that something occurred at those times, what it is we don’t know yet

8:28 could be video of the car leave town or her Fitbit stopping, we just don’t know

 

[MsBetsy]

Lol, living with a cop for over 25 years, I’ve learned they usually choose their words very carefully

I’m also told not to interpret what is said, lol, because I tend to read into things too much!

You should ask your hubby what he thinks the wording means in the affidavit!!

 

[SteveP]

We must be careful when discussing IM. Since she has never been a POI or suspect in this case, we are not allowed to sleuth her, and some here feel that she may be another of his victims, albeit, not to the extent that Mollie was.

 

[kpm]

You should ask your hubby what he thinks the wording means in the affidavit!!

I basically did in the post above

 

[MsBetsy]

Right, some event happened at 7:45 and another at 8:28

In the box “Is date and time of incident know” they wrote NO

They have probable cause to believe based on his admissions and statements that something occurred at those times, what it is we don’t know yet

8:28 could be video of the car leave town or her Fitbit stopping, we just don’t know

I guess the reason I am confused at this point is because so many people have insisted that the timeframe specifically refers to the beginning of the assault to the end, when she was killed. I felt from all the confidence that was placed in this fact that it was credible. It surely had me convinced. I never got the impression that it was just something that occurred that they are not sure about. It seemed pretty specific that they have concrete evidence that they support and have reason to believe it to be true.

 

[MsBetsy]

I believe it was cancelled.

Waived. They are not having it at all. Imo

 

[Jaclin]

Yes, IMO, it sounds like there were two different situations and what I believe to have happened

First to the secluded area

Then to lay her in the cornfield

It’s worded to sound as if her clothes were in the same location as her body, not her clothed body was found.

IMO, it indicates that her clothes were separated from her.

I don't know if her clothes were taken off her or not, but if not, why not just say something like, "Based off the interview with Rivera, and the clothing the victim was wearing at the scene,..." I just don't know if it is sloppy reporting or if it was intentionally worded that way.

 

[TL4S]

Right but others have been pretty insistent that the wording in the affidavit is accurate, and implies police believe firmly in this timeline, or they would not have stated it as such. There was a great deal of discussion on it earlier. It's not like they are guessing based on the data they have. That's the impression I got. We can't see all the details but can at least read the affidavit which would appear that they are pretty confident in the details. And they would not have included that specific timeframe unless they were sure, meaning the data is solid, not sketchy at all. Jmo

Even in early PCs LE stated they were confident with their timeline. That was after FBI came in and all the talk about Fitbit. I think they could ascertain a lot by the digital date (Fitbit and phone), especially if it correlated at all with eye witnesses during her jog or what video surveillance they had up to that point. But my guess is digital data alone couldn't determine specific location of a body or if death occurred. At least not without other evidence to back up that digital information. JMO

And I do believe the arrest affidavit was based on both digital information and CR's statement, plus the tentative identification of MT by LE and the ME. Of course LE has mounds more evidence than what we know about. At this point, whether or not CR was telling the truth, all I have is the affidavit to base my thinking, and they list a date, time frame, and location under a 1st Degree Murder Charge. IMO, that information could have been based on CR's story corroborating their digital date enough for probably cause.

 

[kpm]

For the question about being placed on the sexual offender list, the judge left stated it because they were waiting for the ME report for confirmation

• Kidnapping, aggravated assault, murder, unlawful imprisonment, and burglary (when the offense includes evidence of sexual motivation)

Sex Offenders and Sex Offenses: Overview - FindLaw

 

[kpm]

I don't know if her clothes were taken off her or not, but if not, why not just say something like, "Based off the interview with Rivera, and the clothing the victim was wearing at the scene,..." I just don't know if it is sloppy reporting or if it was intentionally worded that way.

Sloppy reporting on an arrest warrant could cost someone their job or to lose the case

 

[MsBetsy]

*snipped by me*

I don't think the exact manner that caused her death has to be proven. If that was true, no one would ever be convicted if a body isn't found and people have been convicted of murder without a body.

I think they are talking about what constitutes exactly what he is convicted with. It depends on those factors that were described in some earlier posts.

 

[TL4S]

I guess the reason I am confused at this point is because so many people have insisted that the timeframe specifically refers to the beginning of the assault to the end, when she was killed. I felt from all the confidence that was placed in this fact that it was credible. It surely had me convinced. I never got the impression that it was just something that occurred that they are not sure about. It seemed pretty specific that they have concrete evidence that they support and have reason to believe it to be true.

If that 8:28pm is not based on Fitbit, and on something else like him on video, or using a credit card, or some other specific, than maybe they don't have a specific time of death. We may never know. JMO

 

[TL4S]

For the question about being placed on the sexual offender list, the judge left stated it because they were waiting for the ME report for confirmation

• Kidnapping, aggravated assault, murder, unlawful imprisonment, and burglary (when the offense includes evidence of sexual motivation)

Sex Offenders and Sex Offenses: Overview - FindLaw

I wonder if he might have to register even if a SA didn't occur, or they can't prove one did. As long as they can prove he was attempting it?

 

[zecats]

If she passed away at 8:28 and was already at the cornfield, it would still be light enough to see, I think. But you do make a good point. If he was there much later, unless he left his headlights on (which I doubt), he would have had a lot more trouble.

And perhaps, why he used his phone to navigate out of there. He may have used the flashlight option. His car was parked on or near the road I believe since he dragged and carried her in.

 

[kpm]

I wonder if he might have to register even if a SA didn't occur, or they can't prove one did. As long as they can prove he was attempting it?

I don’t know, they obviously suspect it at this point and are hoping th ME can verify a yes or no.

He may just get placed on it for assaulting and transporting?

ETA: If her clothes were placed near the body as stated they may have based the conclusion off that

 

[TL4S]

And perhaps, why he used his phone to navigate out of there. He may have used the flashlight option. His car was parked on or near the road I believe since he dragged and carried her in.

I was wondering if that gate was closed (we don't know if it was locked during the crime), he would have had to park there and get her over/through/around that gate, too.

 

[zecats]

I was wondering if that gate was closed (we don't know if it was locked during the crime), he would have had to park there and get her over/through/around that gate, too.

I’m thinking if the gate was open or unlocked, he would have driven in a bit farther rather than carry her. True?