IA - Mollie Tibbetts, 20, Poweshiek County, 19 Jul 2018 *Arrest* #42

[otto]

And if I recall correctly LE said they had not had dealings with him previousl. So unless there are unknown crimes there is not a negative history thus far

That's right. He has no criminal record, but Mortvedt, one of the investigators, said that it is very unusual for anyone to start a criminal career with abduction and murder. On that basis, there will be a very thorough investigation into the question of whether he is responsible for other criminal activities.

 

[otto]

I couldn’t agree more. And the route I’m speculating reflects that.

MT2 - Google My Maps

In a panicked state it makes sense he sticks to an area and roads he’s familiar with - and he’s certainly familiar with 400th as he lives on that road. From there it’s a pretty easy and again familiar route to head south away from town near the TA truck stop.

It sounds like you don't agree that a criminal with a victim in his car is going to take the back roads, or take the most direct route to the next destination. Instead, a criminal will take a round about route because it may involve a road that he's familiar with.

 

[MyBelle]

Mr. Tibbetts is so eloquent:

From Mollie Tibbetts' father: Don't distort her death to advance racist views

He does mention a trial so apparently at the moment there isn't a consideration of a plea happening, at least not from his point of view.

CR just got new attorneys so a trial, if there is one, won't be soon. I don't care for the headline. This case is horrific enough without interjecting race or politics into it.

 

[otto]

Maybe it was the 21 minute one. I think it was you and you posted several routes at the same time. So maybe he took the fastest route regardless. He was brazen enough to attack and take her off a public road so maybe he was brazen enough to be careless in the route he chose?
Thank you for all your maps.

Google maps, using the back roads and taking a direct route from abduction to body is 18 minutes.

 

[otto]

8:28 is very specific. Not 8:25 and not 8:30 so that tells me that it was something technical that picked up this time. Just a thought and maybe a crazy one, but what if 8:28 was the time her phone pinged off a tower near the searched farm areas?

It might be very straight forward. He abducted her in the 1900 block of 385 ave at 7:45PM. He drove 15-20 minutes to the body location. At 8:28 she was murdered.

 

[crhedBngr]

Having been involved in a few high stress events in my own life; after having just killed someone, it might be time to light up a cig (if anybody does that anymore), and to drive around figuring out what to do next. CR may have driven past the hog farm, and further south doing the "Oh hell, what have I done? What do I do now?" mantra before HE DID A U-TURN and eventually ended up at the corn field dump site. And yes it may have been after dusk (21:15), but that is what flashlights are made for. Y'all keep looking for rational behaviours, in the commission of an irrational act. Think panic and fear. Think about how a kid might react after breaking Mom's favorite nick nack and how to cover this up, and that may be closer to CR's frame of mind after 20:28. He may well be an unsophisticated stalker who overreacted, and then committed his first kill. How would y'all react if in his shoes?

Yep, totally agree. I strongly doubt - very much so - that CR was thinking clearly.

JMVHO.

 

[Al Hoffman]

It sounds like you don't agree that a criminal with a victim in his car is going to take the back roads, or take the most direct route to the next destination. Instead, a criminal will take a round about route because it may involve a road that he's familiar with.

OR that CR was panicked, and drove around for a while on autopilot past places he was familiar with, trying to figure out a way out, because he had REALLY just screwed up major! You're looking for reason and purpose when there may likely be none. There is a pithy phrase in the medical profession: "What do you do if you amputate the wrong leg? You sit down and stare at your own navel!

This may have been CR's navel staring time, driving along aimlessly, trying to figure what to do next. Have you never in your life messed up so badly, that all you wanted to do was run away? Even though you wouldn't, CR did his best. He came upon a place to hide the body, and began 5 weeks of denial. He may actually have a period of lost memory, where he could not tell you where he was driving, until he came to the corn field dumping site, looked down to his lap and saw the earbud he had dropped there or was still holding in his hand, and said to himself "Oh crap, I still have a body in the trunk I gotta get rid of." There are elements of his story that make sense if you follow the workings of a panicked, immature mind.

Ask people who run out of a fire in the middle of the night, why they are standing in the street, in their underwear, with a nick nack in there hand, and they can't tell you why they picked up a 2 buck dime store trinket when their life was in danger. In high stress situations, people will do weird stuff. This is why you don't want to work with amatures, because they will get you killed with their BS stunts when things go south! CR is likely a crass unsophisticated amature, who was panicked and lucked out for 5 weeks of freedom.

Fortune favors the bold, and this time it favored a bold neophyte criminal...for a while!

 

[SteveP]

Delete

 

[pamelado2]

Lip balm?

Did you just three amigos him?

 

[T rex]

Having been involved in a few high stress events in my own life; after having just killed someone, it might be time to light up a cig (if anybody does that anymore), and to drive around figuring out what to do next. CR may have driven past the hog farm, and further south doing the "Oh hell, what have I done? What do I do now?" mantra before HE DID A U-TURN and eventually ended up at the corn field dump site. And yes it may have been after dusk (21:15), but that is what flashlights are made for. Y'all keep looking for rational behaviours, in the commission of an irrational act. Think panic and fear. Think about how a kid might react after breaking Mom's favorite nick nack and how to cover this up, and that may be closer to CR's frame of mind after 20:28. He may well be an unsophisticated stalker who overreacted, and then committed his first kill. How would y'all react if in his shoes?

I agree, it could have very well been after dark before CR finished what he had started. As a matter of fact he possibly could have waited for the cover of darkness it already being that close to sundown. I don't think most people realise it because everybody wants to use a light nowadays but you would be surprised how good you can see in the dark if you stand around in it for awhile and let your eyes adjust.

 

[Peaches96]

I agree. Some people see the discovery of Mollie's remains and the arrest of CR as the culmination of the investigation, when it really is just the beginning of another investigation. They have CR in custody and he isn't going anywhere. They can now take the needed time to meticulously investigate everything they need to know to get a conviction in this case. They may very well have the murder weapon by now, and may even have Mollie's Iphone and/or FitBit. The towed Malibu may have offered a plethora of evidence. There may have even been more video uncovered since the arrest. By now, LE probably knows pretty much everything that we wish we knew about CR. We just don't know if any or all of these things are fact , and as the poster stated, LE isn't going to be calling a presser to tell us that. The family would never release Mollie's autopsy just to satisfy a public's curiosity, imo. If she was your daughter, would you? I know that I wouldn't. I am pretty sure we have learned pretty much everything we are going to learn unless and until more charges are filed, and even then, we probably will just be making inferences based on that, or until this goes to trial or CR pleas out. JMO

Do you know about how long until we would know if more charges will be filed?

 

[Al Hoffman]

Did you just three amigos him?

If the sombrero fits....Dusty, Lucky and Ned say Ola! (I've always wanted one of those suits). Lip balm?

 

[pamelado2]

If the sombrero fits....Dusty, Lucky and Ned say Ola! (I've always wanted one of those suits). Lip balm?

One of my favorites!

 

[AnnaGrace]

It might be very straight forward. He abducted her in the 1900 block of 385 ave at 7:45PM. He drove 15-20 minutes to the body location. At 8:28 she was murdered.

Thank you Otto. This was my original thought and most likely still is. This is one of those posts that make me wish there was a sad button. Poor sweet girl.

 

[Al Hoffman]

I agree, it could have very well been after dark before CR finished what he had started. As a matter of fact he possibly could have waited for the cover of darkness it already being that close to sundown. I don't think most people realise it because everybody wants to use a light nowadays but you would be surprised how good you can see in the dark if you stand around in it for awhile and let your eyes adjust.

And especially if you grew up in a rural agrarian (3rd world? - his dad rides to work on a donkey) country. Give yourself a while to adjust to so called "total darkness" and don't look directly at anything (peripheral B&W rods over central color cones vision) and you would be surprised as to just how much you can see and how well you can function in the dark.

Yeah, you right!

 

[Jeng1810]

That's right. He has no criminal record, but Mortvedt, one of the investigators, said that it is very unusual for anyone to start a criminal career with abduction and murder. On that basis, there will be a very thorough investigation into the question of whether he is responsible for other criminal activities.

Exactly....those possible unknown crimes. IMO I don’t think they will find any. For whatever reason I believe this guy just flipped his lid that night. Unfortunate but not unexpected.

 

[wary]

I don't see it.

Visualize a tall curly-haired blonde.

 

[SharonNeedles]

And especially if you grew up in a rural agrarian (3rd world? - his dad rides to work on a donkey) country. Give yourself a while to adjust to so called "total darkness" and don't look directly at anything (peripheral B&W rods over central color cones vision) and you would be surprised as to just how much you can see and how well you can function in the dark.

Yeah, you right!

Doesn’t work in standing corn. Been there, done that.

 

[AnnaGrace]

Google maps, using the back roads and taking a direct route from abduction to body is 18 minutes.

Maybe it was one of your maps then that I'm thinking of. I had 19 minutes on my mind but maybe it was 18. I know you've posted many maps and I thank you for them. I've followed Mollie's case from day one so at times I may forget who posted what.

 

[SteveP]

Do you know about how long until we would know if more charges will be filed?

Sadly, I have no clue....I would think that IF more charges are filed, it will be when the final autopsy report is done, and all the forensic testing is completed. I would guess that could take a month or two, but that is just based on some time frames I have seen in some previous cases.