IA - Mollie Tibbetts, 20, Poweshiek County, 19 Jul 2018 *Arrest* #42

[mickey2942]

On maps, I run, and the app on my Garmin automatically keeps track of my routes, they are uploaded to my page, which is public.

I wonder if Mollie had any electronic devices that kept track of her routes?

I have now made my routes private.

 

[Al Hoffman]

It is definitely not appropriate to use Mollie as an "example" regarding any type of political agenda. Tacky and clueless.

Yeah, I agree with you. I both admire and feel badly for RT. He does not want his beloved child to become the meme for a political movement. It is bad enough that CR's picture will be held out there for all to see; but RT does not have to constantly see MT's picture as a reminder of his and her family's pain and grief. Especially, over a cause she would not support. Yes, it is disrespectful of her and her family.

MT apparently was a sweet young woman, poised on the cusp of her flight into life and all of its vagaries, turmoil, and joy. This all was taken from MT and those who loved her. How terrible that our so called best and brightest, and others, would make this ordeal worse for her family and those who knew and loved her!

Yeah, you right!

 

[MistyWaters]

There was a case earlier this year in Iowa that bears several similarities to the alleged events of this case - accused had option of just walking away as opposed to committing murder, multiple injuries inflicted (gunshot) and although the defence didn’t dispute the accused was the murderer, they claimed he “lost it” and blacked out and doesn’t remember the shooting.

The accused was convicted of 1st degree premeditated murder after the jury deliberated only 2 1/2 hours.
https://www.desmoinesregister.com/s...t-degree-murder-johnston-shooting/1035713001/

 

[MistyWaters]

Double post

 

[CuriousCricket]

I'm asking why the proposed route goes West, then South, the East? Mollie was in his car. Why would he take such a round about route from abduction to body location.

Maybe he knew where he wanted to go, but had not been there in awhile and missed it by a little? Maybe he was rattled?

 

[Al Hoffman]

Doesn’t work in standing corn. Been there, done that.

Ok, I'll accept that. But that is why David Misell invented the flashlight, or a cellphone used for the same purpose, but not necessarily till you get in the rows...if it matters, that far out in the corn boonies. I'm sure you'll agree that the point is that the end of civilian twilight at 9:15 was not a reason to keep CR from his task. He had a job to do, and he apparently got it done.

 

[cluciano63]

CR just got new attorneys so a trial, if there is one, won't be soon. I don't care for the headline. This case is horrific enough without interjecting race or politics into it.

Her dad didn’t bring politics into it...

 

[Jaclin]

I started out with that too! He was able to access a map so I assume it was some type of Android.

He probably has an Android, but I've gotten GPS directions with a map on my Windows phone before replacing it with an Android, and I'm sure I-phones are able to access maps as well.

 

[otto]

Maybe it was one of your maps then that I'm thinking of. I had 19 minutes on my mind but maybe it was 18. I know you've posted many maps and I thank you for them. I've followed Mollie's case from day one so at times I may forget who posted what.

I think the bigger question is : how premeditated was the murder? That is, since he had previously seen her jogging, did he deliberately drive to an area on her route where he would have a better chance of abducting her, did he have a change of clothing with him, did he always carry a knife, did he pre-plan a place to leave the body?

If he pre-planned the place to leave her body, it's quite likely that he took a direct route from abduction site to body location site. That trip would have taken 18 or 19 minutes. That fits with the timeline of her murder at the body location site 45 minutes after abduction.

Unfortunately, we can't draw any conclusions about the meaning of 8:28PM other than it is so precise that it seems more likely that it is Fitbit data. If it is Fitbit data, does that mean that her heart stopped, or that her Fitbit and cell phone were no longer close enough to sync?

I hope that it was all over at 8:28PM, because whatever Mollie experienced after meeting the suspect would have been so horrific that the sooner it was over, the better.

 

[otto]

Maybe he knew where he wanted to go, but had not been there in awhile and missed it by a little? Maybe he was rattled?

Isn't it possible that was so pumped about having a victim in his trunk that he was very eager to get to a place where he could assault her?

 

[SharonNeedles]

Ok, I'll accept that. But that is why David Misell invented the flashlight, or a cellphone used for the same purpose, but not necessarily till you get in the rows...if it matters, that far out in the corn boonies. I'm sure you'll agree that the point is that the end of civilian twilight at 9:15 was not a reason to keep CR from his task. He had a job to do, and he apparently got it done.

Probably a moot point, just as likely it was done before dark anyway.

 

[Al Hoffman]

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RT is simply a grieving father who asks that his daughter's memory and legacy be respected. This is his right! It does not matter the least about his stepfamily. MT was his little girl, the apple of his eye - his heart and eyes, and his memory of, and love for her should be respected. It is disgraceful of all concerned to behave otherwise.

Unfortunately, history will be the ultimate arbitrator of what her legacy will be. We can only hope that the lasting public memory will be of her, and it will be a kind one.

 

[lorelei2017]

RT is simply a grieving father who asks that his daughter's memory and legacy be respected. This is his right! It does not matter the least about his stepfamily. MT was his little girl, the apple of his eye - his heart and eyes, and his memory of, and love for her should be respected. It is disgraceful of all concerned to behave otherwise.

Unfortunately, history will be the ultimate arbitrator of what her legacy will be. We can only hope that the lasting public memory will be of her, and it will be a kind one.

So very well said

 

[MsBetsy]

Ok, I'll accept that. But that is why David Misell invented the flashlight, or a cellphone used for the same purpose, but not necessarily till you get in the rows...if it matters, that far out in the corn boonies. I'm sure you'll agree that the point is that the end of civilian twilight at 9:15 was not a reason to keep CR from his task. He had a job to do, and he apparently got it done.

Which brings up a very good point; he may have used a cell phone at some point near the end, like making his way out of the corn, for light. That might explain some of the pings.

 

[kay74]

RT is simply a grieving father who asks that his daughter's memory and legacy be respected. This is his right! It does not matter the least about his stepfamily. MT was his little girl, the apple of his eye - his heart and eyes, and his memory of, and love for her should be respected. It is disgraceful of all concerned to behave otherwise.

Unfortunately, history will be the ultimate arbitrator of what her legacy will be. We can only hope that the lasting public memory will be of her, and it will be a kind one.

 

[Jaclin]

I'm asking why the proposed route goes West, then South, the East? Mollie was in his car. Why would he take such a round about route from abduction to body location.

Seems like he could just take 385 to 21 unless we were trying to place him by the TA and the pig farm on the way to the dump site.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Fight-or-flight response - Wikipedia[/QUOT

Thanks. I always felt it
should be three possible responses.

Fight...freeze or flight.

Jmo.

 

[tmar]

It’s a tad too imaginative I think. For CR to have placed Mollie in the trunk and then dragged/carried her into the cornfield, the defence would need to explain why the physically fit victim, predicted to fight back by her family, was instead passively cooperative throughout abduction by CR.

MistyWaters, I meant as blood would be found in boot, she may have already had the stab wounds, be incapacitated etc, but he states only seeing blood on head.
He doesn't want to admit, she has been placed in the boot, due to stab wounds etc that he would have caused.

 

[Al Hoffman]

Doesn’t work in standing corn. Been there, done that.

I want to see the souvenir T-shirt. It never happened if you did not come home with $20 of underwear!

 

[tmar]

He was clearly larger and stronger then she was. It's not at all inconceivable that he could have easily overpowered her and dragged her into the cornfield. But more than likely he did it by threatening her with the knife.

As I replied to another poster, maybe CR had already stabbed, incapacitated Mollie.
Again, as he knows blood will be found in his car, he states he sees blood on her head.
He doesn't want to implicate himself, that he caused the stab wounds.
He had a month to think of answers.