IA - Mollie Tibbetts, 20, Poweshiek County, 19 Jul 2018 *Arrest* #42

[Chichi baby]

I dont think we'll ever find out what route he took to the cornfield. There are too many what ifs. What if he has a break light out, what if Mollie wakes up and starts screaming, what if he has blood on him. He certainly wouldnt want to seen by anyone, especially stopped by LE. He can not afford to be stopped. Remember he is an illegal, he has no drivers license and he has Mollie in the trunk.

 

[CuriousCricket]

Isn't it possible that was so pumped about having a victim in his trunk that he was very eager to get to a place where he could assault her?

Ah, a different spin. Yes, if he thought she were still alive and he intended to assault her. Simple wrong turn still explains. Were there other lanes through corn fields there? Having a place to get his car off the road had to be important, dont u think?

I have been considering your statement that a killer having the presence of mind to move a body is very unusual for a first kill. Plus, Sharon Needles, a local, who believes CR was just driving around, hoping to pick up a chick. . .

Are you considering the second car might have been his work car for the out of county SAs and the black Malibu his vehicle for picking up chickas?


If CR is responsible for both, he either was already worked up about something or did not realize he had lost control of the brown car personna.

Of course, we have no idea if the brown car is connected to CR at all

 

[Jaclin]

You keep mentioning 'lip balm', so clearly you need some. There is always plenty of information; you could brush up on forensic techniques etc.

I thought he was offering.

 

[KaaBoom]

As I replied to another poster, maybe CR had already stabbed, incapacitated Mollie.
Again, as he knows blood will be found in his car, he states he sees blood on her head.
He doesn't want to implicate himself, that he caused the stab wounds.
He had a month to think of answers.

I don't think we have enough information to know that. But it is possible.

 

[MsBetsy]

As I replied to another poster, maybe CR had already stabbed, incapacitated Mollie.
Again, as he knows blood will be found in his car, he states he sees blood on her head.
He doesn't want to implicate himself, that he caused the stab wounds.
He had a month to think of answers.

Exactly. If he did use a knife to control her and get her into the trunk, she may very well have put up a fight and was injured in the process!

 

[MsBetsy]

I dont think we'll ever find out what route he took to the cornfield. There are too many what ifs. What if he has a break light out, what if Mollie wakes up and starts screaming, what if he has blood on him. He certainly wouldnt want to seen by anyone, especially stopped by LE. He can not afford to be stopped. Remember he is an illegal, he has no drivers license and he has Mollie in the trunk.

Do we know he did not have a license? If he had a SS card I don't see why he wouldn't be able to get a driver's license. It's true we may never know the exact route, but we can get pretty close by using what information we have, such as the timeframe and data. I think there are only 2 routes to consider, it's not like there are many options. At least there don't seem to be!

 

[MsBetsy]

Ah, a different spin. Yes, if he thought she were still alive and he intended to assault her. Simple wrong turn still explains. Were there other lanes through corn fields there? Having a place to get his car off the road had to be important, dont u think?

I have been considering your statement that a killer having the presence of mind to move a body is very unusual for a first kill. Plus, Sharon Needles, a local, who believes CR was just driving around, hoping to pick up a chick. . .

Are you considering the second car might have been his work car for the out of county SAs and the black Malibu his vehicle for picking up chickas?


If CR is responsible for both, he either was already worked up about something or did not realize he had lost control of the brown car personna.

Of course, we have no idea if the brown car is connected to CR at all

I think he is just suggesting he would have taken the quickest route, the twenty minute route, as opposed to the longer backroad. Especially since it fits the 45 minute timeline and he would have been anxious to get to the spot where he killed her ( if she was killed there) There is no reason to believe he used a different car. Imo

 

[SteveP]

Do we know he did not have a license? If he had a SS card I don't see why he wouldn't be able to get a driver's license. It's true we may never know the exact route, but we can get pretty close by using what information we have, such as the timeframe and data. I think there are only 2 routes to consider, it's not like there are many options. At least there don't seem to be!

Only because you asked....CR apparently had no Iowa drivers license or state issued ID. Whether he had a real or fake one from some other state, who knows. He had, however been in Iowa for at least 4 years, so he should have had one, issued by the state of Iowa. And apparently, they were able to use facial recognition software to determine that he did not have one under another name.

Iowa DOT says Rivera did not have driver's license or state-issued ID

 

[MsBetsy]

Her dad didn’t bring politics into it...

Exactly, he was asking that it NOT be brought into it.

 

[MsBetsy]

Only because you asked....CR apparently had no Iowa drivers license or state issued ID. Whether he had a real or fake one from some other state, who knows. He had, however been in Iowa for at least 4 years, so he should have had one.
Iowa DOT says Rivera did not have driver's license or state-issued ID

Thanks. I'm amazed he never had a problem before. I seem to get pulled over all the time.

 

[SteveP]

Thanks. I'm amazed he never had a problem before.

Perhaps he did, and just not using the name we know him by. LE may know that information.

 

[Jerrod]

When it comes to the issue of illegal immigration and outspoken comments in the news from grieving parents, I’d prefer to know the sentiments of Mollie’s mother, rather than her father. After all, she hasn’t been the absentee parent for the past 12 years of their three kids’ lives. By all accounts, Jake, Mollie and Scott grew up to be fine young adults, and I dare say most of the credit for that goes to their mother, the custodial parent. She’s probably wise to keep her thoughts to herself and not splashed across headlines, but since her life has been impacted as much - if not more - than anyone else’s, I’d like to know how she’s sorting all of this out.

 

[Jaclin]

Thanks. I'm amazed he never had a problem before.

people without IDs, expired IDs, no insurance, etc. tend to drive extra carefully to avoid being caught. He could have gone much more than the speed limit on these roads to get to this spot quicker, but that could have drawn some unwanted attention.

 

[Chichi baby]

Edited for duplicate line of text.

Only because you asked....CR apparently had no Iowa drivers license or state issued ID. Whether he had a real or fake one from some other state, who knows. He had, however been in Iowa for at least 4 years, so he should have had one, issued by the state of Iowa. And apparently, they were able to use facial recognition software to determine that he did not have one under another name.

Iowa DOT says Rivera did not have driver's license or state-issued ID

and the list builds, no license, no insurance , on and on.

 

[otto]

I think he is just suggesting he would have taken the quickest route, the twenty minute route, as opposed to the longer backroad. Especially since it fits the 45 minute timeline and he would have been anxious to get to the spot where he killed her ( if she was killed there) There is no reason to believe he used a different car. Imo

There's one car, one suspect, one victim.

The suspect was brazen in his abduction of Mollie during daylight hours on a public street. He admits that he was angry when he abducted her, but we don't know why he was angry. Maybe he had a bad day at work. If I had to guess, I suspect that his anger turned to excitement about having a victim. I don't think he was driving around in a confused state wondering what to do next, but rather that he was very clear thinking. If he didn't have a pre-planned body location site, I think he found one very quickly before he started driving with Mollie in his car.

 

[MsBetsy]

people without IDs, expired IDs, no insurance, etc. tend to drive extra carefully to avoid being caught. He could have gone much more than the speed limit on these roads to get to this spot quicker, but that could have drawn some unwanted attention.

I'm just amazed anyone could drive for four years without getting pulled over! Didn't he have some kind of incident involving police and that's how the cop recognized the car?

 

[MyBelle]

Thanks. I'm amazed he never had a problem before. I seem to get pulled over all the time.

CR lived in a remote area and was very careful to fly below LE radar by obeying traffic laws and driving a car not registered to him.

 

[SteveP]

Edited for duplicate line of text.
and the list builds, no license, no insurance , on and on.

I agree, but in the big scheme of things, I do not think the state of Iowa is going to go after him for no license or insurance. I believe they have enough to keep him behind bars for the rest of his life already. JMO

 

[tmar]

When I am very upset, about a major incident (always on my mind), I find I get lost on the road, when carrying out a task: where am I going/why/where do I turn/number of the house etc.
I have been there loads of times before.
I return home, as so flustered, and then fine.
As worried, had my memory tested, and great.

Could CR's blackouts have some truth: after the incident, as so upset/angry etc he forgets other facts?
In CR's case, he forgets (probably lies) the event/killing!!
He perhaps, forgets other details after the event, but includes the 'forgetting of killing' for his defence: stretches forgetfulness.
This, I believe, may just be his 'cover up' trying to explain when interrogated: he has had time, to think of answers.
These are just my thoughts, trying to explain, statements, of 'not remembering parts'.

 

[Al Hoffman]

Only because you asked....CR apparently had no Iowa drivers license or state issued ID. Whether he had a real or fake one from some other state, who knows. He had, however been in Iowa for at least 4 years, so he should have had one, issued by the state of Iowa. And apparently, they were able to use facial recognition software to determine that he did not have one under another name.

Iowa DOT says Rivera did not have driver's license or state-issued ID

Just to ask, just what are the chances of CR being pulled over by LE in or around Brooklyn? I mean, just how much LE presence is there in the area. If the car isn't a beater, with current tags and whatever else is required, and his driving was prudent, could CR reasonably expect to be able to cruise out and about with little fear of interacting with LE?