Found Deceased IA - Mollie Tibbetts, 20, Poweshiek County, 19 Jul 2018 *Arrest* #44

[MyBelle]

No, but they certainly would be aware of a history of blackouts. If Mollies threat to call the police was enough to put one in motion, than I would assume the people he spends the most time with have witnessed his block outs. If they are out of his control, how would he be able to make sure they only occur when he is alone? I don't buy it. Imo

Why would his friends, family, employer be aware of CR's blackouts? He said he blocked his memory when enraged. Nobody has said they observed incidents of rage.

 

[otto]

I have to believe the truck stop had some significance to LE ot they would have not listed it as a point of interest. I think he was there before anything happened. They could have been looking at just where the particular vehicle had been imo.

Police wanted to speak to every single person who was at the five locations between 5-10PM. I'm sure that there are many theories about these five locations, but the one that made the most sense to me is that they were looking for a vehicle. As it turns out, they were also looking for a vehicle in surveillance footage. If they could identify a vehicle that was at 2 or more of the 5 locations, they could follow up on identifying the owner of the vehicle. That is exactly how the suspect was identified. Basically police had no information except the digital signature, that information led to locations of interest, and it was a complete needle in a haystack investigation where they got lucky.

 

[Jeng1810]

Why would his friends, family, employer be aware of CR's blackouts? He said he blocked his memory when enraged. Nobody has said they observed incidents of rage.

Just because no one said it doesn’t mean it’s not a possibility. When my sister was arrested and on trial I didn’t ever say $hit. Doesn’t mean I didn’t think it.

 

[MsBetsy]

CR's "internal wiring" certainly didn't reflect in his behavior observed by his friends, family and employer prior to Mollie's murder. I'm fairly confident my husband, brothers and adult sons' brains are normal as is mine. JMO

Actually they would likely not have noticed, as people like this are excellent at mimicking normal behavior. I don't think it has anything to do with how your family's brains are " wired," or your own. Unless of course you are implying Anti- Social Personality Disorder runs in your family.

 

[MyBelle]

I have to believe the truck stop had some significance to LE ot they would have not listed it as a point of interest. I think he was there before anything happened. They could have been looking at just where the particular vehicle had been imo.

ITA. It is more likely he stopped there for gas and someone may have seen him and maybe remembered it.

 

[MyBelle]

Just because no one said it doesn’t mean it’s not a possibility. When my sister was arrested and on trial I didn’t ever say $hit. Doesn’t mean I didn’t think it.

I don't believe CR's family or his employer would lie about it. Have a nice evening.

 

[MsBetsy]

Why would his friends, family, employer be aware of CR's blackouts? He said he blocked his memory when enraged. Nobody has said they observed incidents of rage.

Nobody said he has blackouts when he is experiencing rage, either. He said it often happens when he is " upset" such as when Mollie threatened to call the police. If you had read my post more carefully, I had said that if something like that would cause him to be upset, I would think he would have gotten upset many times before. It is not so far fetched that his family wouldn't have noticed at least one incident. Is it really that difficult to grasp or do you just enjoy arguing? It was never meant to cause a big debate, I was just pointing out that it was unusual that it was never noticed before. That's all. Maybe he had blackouts all the time, and no-one ever noticed, and that's his legitimate reason for killing someone. You are certainly entitled to your opinion I just don't see it as a good excuse. Imo

 

[Harmony 2]

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[kpm]

Nobody said he has blackouts when he is experiencing rage, either. He said it often happens when he is " upset" such as when Mollie threatened to call the police. If you had read my post more carefully, I had said that if something like that would cause him to be upset, I would think he would have gotten upset many times before. It is not so far fetched that his family wouldn't have noticed at least one incident. Is it really that difficult to grasp or do you just enjoy arguing? It was never meant to cause a big debate, I was just pointing out that it was unusual that it was never noticed before. That's all. Maybe he had blackouts all the time, and no-one ever noticed, and that's his legitimate reason for killing someone. You are certainly entitled to your opinion I just don't see it as a good excuse. Imo

According to the warrant he did actually say he panicked and got mad, which is what he’s does when he gets very upset

So MT upset him, eye roll!

So this dude must been blocking out all the time ?

http://media.graytvinc.com/documents/082118+DCI+Arrest.pdf

 

[Jaclin]

Why would his friends, family, employer be aware of CR's blackouts? He said he blocked his memory when enraged. Nobody has said they observed incidents of rage.

You pick your friends, but you don't pick your family. My family irritates me all the time. It's hard to believe CR never once got worked up and blacked out over something someone in his circle said at some point. MT threatening to call the police on him was small potatoes for him to get that upset that he blacked out. I'd hate to be the mother that threatened to spank him or make him eat broccoli.

 

[mtnlites]

Why would his friends, family, employer be aware of CR's blackouts? He said he blocked his memory when enraged. Nobody has said they observed incidents of rage.

I don't know why they wouldn't be aware of them, especially his family who has presumably known him all his life. There isn't a medical problem I have that my husband, best friend, mother, and uncle/aunt doesn't know about-especially the serious ones.

 

[Al Hoffman]

That's a very long comment to respond to!

All sorts of maps have been posted where the suspect allegedly drove West, then South, then East to get to the cornfield. There has been no response to questions of why he would do that. Looking at the direct route, it takes 18 minutes from abduction to body. Since the suspect planned the abduction location, it's very likely that he thought it through enough to select a body location as well.

Time range of incident per search warrant is 7:45-8:28. I'm going to run with that until I read otherwise.

There's no reason to think that Mollie was dead in the trunk of the car simply because she had blood on the side of her head.

Mollie Tibbetts died from "multiple sharp force injuries." If there was any ambiguity, that would be "undetermined". The 33 days did not interfere with the finding.

Logical thought does not apply to CR's actions on the night that MT was killed. His actions that night, and afterwards, make as much sense as which way will a cockroach run when the lights come on. There was no plan, he simply made it up as he went along, after his "initial" confrontation with MT went horribly wrong.

We are apparently splitting into two main camps here. One camp supports the rational, budding serial killer with a thought out plan of action. The other sees an impulsive young wannabe, who committed the almost perfect crime by plain dumb luck. There are gradations in between the two camps, but in the main, there are two sides to this developing narrative.

Fortune favors the bold...guess which camp I'm in.

The maps make no sense, as he ran like a Junebug after his crime. No rhyme or reason to the murder, or its aftermath. You keep looking for rational reasons for irrational actions. Before the Tet offensive (and afterwards) in 1968, in Vietnam, General Westmoreland looked for the same thing, and we all know how that turned out.

The time of the incident cited on the arrest warrant is for the Homocide only, not the totality of the crime. We are going to have to agree to disagree on this point until, as you say, further information becomes a available.

The reason to think that MT was dead when the trunk was opened at the dump site, per CR's statement, IS because she only had blood on the side of her head, but was not laying in a pool of blood. Dead bodies don't bleed activity.

There is no ambiguity in the preliminary autopsy report. The body was apparently riddled with penetrating wounds, and this can prudently be listed as a presumptive, primary cause of death. If there were no further questions, consultation with foriencsic anthropologists would not be necessary. Further findings can amend, or simply add to the final autopsy report. 33 days of decomp can create a lot of ambiguity, that LE does not care to share. They gave the best info they had at the time. No film at 11:00.

JIMHOO

 

[SteveP]

You pick your friends, but you don't pick your family. My family irritates me all the time. It's hard to believe CR never once got worked up and blacked out over something someone in his circle said at some point. MT threatening to call the police on him was small potatoes for him to get that upset that he blacked out. I'd hate to be the mother that threatened to spank him or make him eat broccoli.

I love my family, and no one takes it as anything other than what it is, but I have a sign on my front door that says 'Friends Welcome, Family by Appointment'

 

[Mica]

Hundreds come out for a memorial ride for Mollie Tibbetts

 

[Mica]

Undefeated football team rallies around quarterback, Mollie Tibbetts` younger brother

 

[otto]

According to the warrant he did actually say he panicked and got mad, which is what he’s does when he gets very upset

So MT upset him, eye roll!

So this dude must been blocking out all the time ?

http://media.graytvinc.com/documents/082118+DCI+Arrest.pdf

He doesn't "block out". He said that he blocks his memory when he gets upset.

Logical thought does not apply to CR's actions on the night that MT was killed. His actions that night, and afterwards, make as much sense as which way will a cockroach run when the lights come on. There was no plan, he simply made it up as he went along, after his "initial" confrontation with MT went horribly wrong.

We are apparently splitting into two main camps here. One camp supports the rational, budding serial killer with a thought out plan of action. The other sees an impulsive young wannabe, who committed the almost perfect crime by plain dumb luck. There are gradations in between the two camps, but in the main, there are two sides to this developing narrative.

Fortune favors the bold...guess which camp I'm in.

The maps make no sense, as he ran like a Junebug after his crime. No rhyme or reason to the murder, or its aftermath. You keep looking for rational reasons for irrational actions. Before the Tet offensive (and afterwards) in 1968, in Vietnam, General Westmoreland looked for the same thing, and we all know how that turned out.

The time of the incident cited on the arrest warrant is for the Homocide only, not the totality of the crime. We are going to have to agree to disagree on this point until, as you say, further information becomes a available.

The reason to think that MT was dead when the trunk was opened at the dump site, per CR's statement, IS because she only had blood on the side of her head, but was not laying in a pool of blood. Dead bodies don't bleed activity.

There is no ambiguity in the preliminary autopsy report. The body was apparently riddled with penetrating wounds, and this can prudently be listed as a presumptive, primary cause of death. If there were no further questions, consultation with foriencsic anthropologists would not be necessary. Further findings can amend, or simply add to the final autopsy report. 33 days of decomp can create a lot of ambiguity, that LE does not care to share. They gave the best info they had at the time. No film at 11:00.

BBM
I'm not looking for some rational reason. I'm looking at what we know and trying to make sense of it.

Let's run with the "I accidentally abducted and murdered someone" theory:

Rivera was driving around Brooklyn, circling the block at Boundary and Middle Street along Mollie's jogging route, but this had nothing to do with Mollie. He just wanted to burn some gas driving no where.

When he saw Mollie jogging on her jogging route, he spontaneously decided to ask her on a date. Having spent 1/3 of his life in Iowa, and having enjoyed normal social and family life in the community for 7-8 years, he was familiar with local social customs and norms. He parked his car on her jogging route and ran to her. She threatened to call police, which was completely unexpected, and he accidentally raged. He then threw her into the trunk of his car, even though he had no intention of ever doing anything like this, and accidentally drove away.

He arrived at the secluded cornfield entirely by chance and lo and behold, the jogger's earbud is on his lap. Naturally, this means that he accidentally threw a jogger into the trunk of his car. He was so overcome with having accidentally abducted the jogger, that he then accidentally dragged her into the cornfield and stabbed her multiple times. Finally, he was so unconcerned with having accidentally abducted and murdered a jogger that it was business as usual the following morning.

We agree that the time on the arrest warrant is for the homicide. It started at 7:45 and ended at 8:28. The accidental abduction and murder timeline fits perfectly with statistics regarding length of time between planned abduction and murder.

 

[SteveP]

He doesn't "block out". He said that he blocks his memory when he gets upset.


BBM
I'm not looking for some rational reason. I'm looking at what we know and trying to make sense of it.

Let's run with the "I accidentally abducted and murdered someone" theory:

Rivera was driving around Brooklyn, circling the block at Boundary and Middle Street along Mollie's jogging route, but this had nothing to do with Mollie. He just wanted to burn some gas driving no where.

When he saw Mollie jogging on her jogging route, he spontaneously decided to ask her on a date. Having spent 1/3 of his life in Iowa, and having enjoyed normal social and family life in the community for 7-8 years, he was familiar with local social customs and norms. He parked his car on her jogging route and ran to her. She threatened to call police, which was completely unexpected, and he accidentally raged. He then threw her into the trunk of his car, even though he had no intention of ever doing anything like this, and accidentally drove away.

He arrived at the secluded cornfield entirely by chance and lo and behold, the jogger's earbud is on his lap. Naturally, this means that he accidentally threw a jogger into the trunk of his car. He was so overcome with having accidentally abducted the jogger, that he then accidentally dragged her into the cornfield and stabbed her multiple times. Finally, he was so unconcerned with having accidentally abducted and murdered a jogger that it was business as usual the following morning.

We agree that the time on the arrest warrant is for the homicide. It started at 7:45 and ended at 8:28. The accidental abduction and murder timeline fits perfectly with statistics regarding length of time between planned abduction and murder.

I don't believe anyone thinks, or has suggested, that he accidentally abducted and murdered someone, but there is a LOT of room between that extreme and the thought that every detail from start to finish was fantasized and planned out. I will say that if he planned out everything else so meticulously, he perhaps should have spent a little more time planning what he would tell LE if questioned. JMO

 

[JenniD]

I think we can go back and forth here till eternity trying to figure out the what, the how, and the why but until this actually goes to trial- if it does, we will never know and even then we may only know the what and how but not the why. We can debate on if he really blocked out his memory and if he did when but none of us know. Did he plan this or was it sporadic?
About 10 years ago my brother went "missing" in another state while we were attending a family celebration. He went missing on his own. We searched for weeks not knowing if he was hurt, dead or what. In the end he was found dead. We tried to rationalize his behavior, we're sure his next move would have been xyz-but it wasn't. I thought maybe it was my fault as my last words to him were "don't be an A-hole. Might that have contributed, maybe, but there were others who felt it was something they did or did not do. In the end what happened was a result of His Choices. It took a long time to realize we I could not rationalize what an irrational person will do. May he rest in peace.

 

[MsBetsy]

I don't believe anyone thinks, or has suggested, that he accidentally abducted and murdered someone, but there is a LOT of room between that extreme and the thought that every detail from start to finish was fantasized and planned out. I will say that if he planned out everything else so meticulously, he perhaps should have spent a little more time planning what he would tell LE if questioned. JMO

Maybe he's just not much of a "planner" I think it's possible he may have had a fantasy of doing what he did for awhile and then finally had the nerve to carry it out. He may not have made the actual decision until he drove his car up to her, or parked and got out, or whatever he did. Maybe the intense anger spurred him on, and at that point he made his final decision. Jmo

 

[SteveP]

I think we can go back and forth here till eternity trying to figure out the what, the how, and the why but until this actually goes to trial- if it does, we will never know and even then we may only know the what and how but not the why. We can debate on if he really blocked out his memory and if he did when but none of us know. Did he plan this or was it sporadic?
About 10 years ago my brother went "missing" in another state while we were attending a family celebration. He went missing on his own. We searched for weeks not knowing if he was hurt, dead or what. In the end he was found dead. We tried to rationalize his behavior, we're sure his next move would have been xyz-but it wasn't. I thought maybe it was my fault as my last words to him were "don't be an A-hole. Might that have contributed, maybe, but there were others who felt it was something they did or did not do. In the end what happened was a result of His Choices. It took a long time to realize we I could not rationalize what an irrational person will do. May he rest in peace.

I cant bring myself to 'like' this post, but I am so sorry for your loss.