Found Deceased IA - Mollie Tibbetts, 20, Poweshiek County, 19 Jul 2018 *Arrest* #44

[Anthony D]

I agree rejection is a trigger for many male-enacted homicides. But was rejection this one man's trigger with Mollie? How could he have not known that frightening her would not end well? Did he actually think she would hop in his car & say hey babe, let's drive thru Burger King together? I don't think so.

No idea, but that article I posted said he tried the drive stalk thing with at least 2 other young women both a little younger than Mollie, but in her age group 18-20.

 

[feralwriter]

I think it's possible that he saw the girlfriend as his ticket to permanent citizenship, and a life that was as comfortable as her life - whatever that is. When she left him, whether by cheating or not, his dreams of life as a US citizen crumbled. Maybe he spent years resenting his girlfriend, but he couldn't harm her because of the child, so he sought to harm young women who looked similar to his girlfriend and who seemed to be living the American Dream.

I think that's the most viable theory. If he can't have it, he's going to stop someone else from having it. It was his pathetic form of protest over what he believed he was entitled to. Not a shred of personal responsibility for his life.

 

[Anthony D]

Rivera lived in Iowa for 7-8 years, and should have known how to ask a girl on a date. His intent was never to ask Mollie on a date. His intent was to find an isolated part of her jogging route, run at her, grab her, and throw her in the trunk of his car.

We do not know this for a fact as far as the other two cases he was just a creepy guy that hit on girls which leads to this next comment :

IMO, he got off on making girls uncomfortable

As far as we can see with the evidence at this point and the two other reports of him following girls with his car thats what he did both times.

 

[Charliegizmo49]

I’m going to make a prediction here based in great weight to my experience.

And due in part to the path of nearly every past murder involving defendants similar to CBR. the trial will occur with a possibility that CBR May plea.

But every effort is being made by organized groups to quash any immigration reform. My guess is that it’s being discussed by lobbyists to congress as we speak.

And the exclusive sorority that Mollie never asked to join will have more members. My heart goes out to all affected by this senseless murder. I guess every murder has a senseless base to it looked at closely.

This crime against a beautiful young woman touched significant numbers of people.

Mollie tugged at a nations heart because she represented the good characteristics we hope to see in every generation. I’m certain she would have been a positive leader in any career she chose. Her life might have been fulfilled as leader who guided so many into important positive attitudes and policies. She had the foundation to excel at anything, to be a woman who brought positive change to everything.

And sadly that will never be.

 

[otto]

Right, by one-off I mean his first murder, at least his first murder he got called to the carpet for. He could kill someone in prison, but not on the street again. But who knows, perhaps he did other homicides. Will we ever get the real story from his ex? How he treated her? Doubtful.

I doubt we'll ever hear about Rivera's personal relationships, but I do believe that the prosecutor will interview everyone close to him to build a picture of who Rivera is. I'm very curious to learn more about the police investigation into the past 7 years of Rivera's life. He was just too calm after Mollie's murder - too confident that he would not get caught.

 

[Seattle1]

I have the same question for you.

How do we know any of this? I haven't read anything about Rivera communicating with Mollie's friend and quoting her father when asked for an opinion.

Before we run with this, could you please provide a link?

Thank you! I completely missed that.

The Media thread has more than 380 posts, many of which I have contributed!! Nonetheless, glad posters were quick with refs, and that you're back in the know! Posts are my opinion only. Have a great week People.....

 

[feralwriter]

I doubt we'll ever hear about Rivera's personal relationships, but I do believe that the prosecutor will interview everyone close to him to build a picture of who Rivera is. I'm very curious to learn more about the police investigation into the past 7 years of Rivera's life. He was just too calm after Mollie's murder - too confident that he would not get caught.

Though I'm quite enjoying those circles under his eyes in that mug shot. Well, there's gotta be at least a few books in the works as we speak and those writers will try hard to get to all parties involved. Nothing like a primary source for a book on a crime like that. Do you think he might be tied to any other Iowa or in that area murders? I guess that's off-topic, & we probably already covered that. It's certainly conceivable his past 7 years had some nasty stuff, too. I wonder if he took his rage out on those poor cows.

 

[Seattle1]

That's an interesting question. I doubt that he pulled off a nearly perfect crime by chance, and do believe that he fantasized about the abduction before he acted. He could have changed his mind at any time, but he didn't, or perhaps he did change his mind in the past and this time he couldn't overcome his urges.

I've always wondered about the victim type. Mollie's features are very similar to those of his girlfriend. I think the nature of his relationship with his girlfriend may be at the core of the rage that he felt towards Mollie the day she was murdered.

I disagree xGF is at the core, it's more likely his Mum. MOO

 

[MistyWaters]

I think LE missed a trick with the amount of CCTV it had received. It clearly received huge amounts in the first week; ploughing through it in a timely fashion proved difficult; might of caught them out. I think they had options.

During that time there were also the huge volume of 4000 tips for LE to investigate.

Something I’ve thought about, it’s the large reward growing and growing for the return of an alive Mollie until the day CR was caught.

That’s the reason I’m thinking it’s unlikely the 8:28pm time indicated on the arrest warrant has a connection to a Fitbit. Because if LE had known in advance there was no possibility of finding her alive due to technology, I think they’d have issued the typical sort of statement “we have reason to believe MT is no longer alive” in order to streamline tips relating only to a murderer as opposed to potential kidnappers or sightings.

I’m stuck on the theory the 8:28pm is directly connected to what LE later uncovered relating to the actions of CR, such as when the black Malibu was sighted by video on roads leaving the cornfield location towards his home. And prior to that, the 8:28 time wasn’t a key factor. I just can’t quite comprehend for what purpose, if LE otherwise had certain proof of her death all along, the point of misleading both the family and the general public with false hope that Mollie might still be alive.

 

[MistyWaters]

Though I'm quite enjoying those circles under his eyes in that mug shot. Well, there's gotta be at least a few books in the works as we speak and those writers will try hard to get to all parties involved. Nothing like a primary source for a book on a crime like that. Do you think he might be tied to any other Iowa or in that area murders? I guess that's off-topic, & we probably already covered that. It's certainly conceivable his past 7 years had some nasty stuff, too. I wonder if he took his rage out on those poor cows.

I have sincere doubts any reliable witnesses are talking to writers at this point, prior to a plea and trial. IMO conviction in a court of law should be the #1 priority at this point in time.

 

[Seattle1]

During that time there were also the huge volume of 4000 tips for LE to investigate.

Something I’ve thought about, it’s the large reward growing and growing for the return of an alive Mollie until the day CR was caught.

That’s why think the 8:28pm time indicated on the arrest warrant has no connection to a Fitbit. Because if LE had known in advance there was no possibility of finding her alive through that type of technology, I think they’d have issued the typical sort of statement “we have reason to believe MT is no longer alive” in order to streamline tips relating only to a murderer as opposed to potential kidnappers or sightings.

I’m stuck on the theory the 8:28pm is directly connected to what LE later uncovered relating to the actions of CR, such as when the black Malibu was sighted by video on roads leaving the cornfield location towards his home. And prior to that, the 8:28 time wasn’t a key factor. I just can’t quite comprehend for what purpose, if LE otherwise had certain proof of her death all along, the point of misleading both the family and the general public with false hope that Mollie might still be alive.

In reality, from the beginning, the only thing LE gave us was that they were confident in their timeline (which they refused to share). I believe the specific period provided that ends at 8:28p, is the time LE believes Mollie was no longer in the Brooklyn area. MOO

 

[feralwriter]

I have sincere doubts any reliable witnesses are talking to writers at this point, prior to a plea and trial. IMO conviction in a court of law should be the #1 priority at this point in time.

They will at some point. Mark my words. >imho

 

[feralwriter]

During that time there were also the huge volume of 4000 tips for LE to investigate.

Something I’ve thought about, it’s the large reward growing and growing for the return of an alive Mollie until the day CR was caught.

That’s why think the 8:28pm time indicated on the arrest warrant has no connection to a Fitbit. Because if LE had known in advance there was no possibility of finding her alive through that type of technology, I think they’d have issued the typical sort of statement “we have reason to believe MT is no longer alive” in order to streamline tips relating only to a murderer as opposed to potential kidnappers or sightings.

I’m stuck on the theory the 8:28pm is directly connected to what LE later uncovered relating to the actions of CR, such as when the black Malibu was sighted by video on roads leaving the cornfield location towards his home. And prior to that, the 8:28 time wasn’t a key factor. I just can’t quite comprehend for what purpose, if LE otherwise had certain proof of her death all along, the point of misleading both the family and the general public with false hope that Mollie might still be alive.

I've puzzled over that, too. Either they didn't have proof, or they were just holding out hope, or they were using their words precisely as part of the investigative process in some way, maybe to put the (possible) abductor more at ease, so he'd trip up. I mean, what other options are there? Something obvious I'm not thinking of, lol.

 

[kpm]

In reality, from the beginning, the only thing LE gave us was that they were confident in their timeline (which they refused to share). I believe the specific period provided that ends at 8:28p, is the time LE believes Mollie was no longer in the Brooklyn area. MOO

Moo


I agree!

“Abduction, kidnapping and murder”

 

[CuriousCricket]

I think it's possible that he saw the girlfriend as his ticket to permanent citizenship, and a life that was as comfortable as her life - whatever that is. When she left him, whether by cheating or not, his dreams of life as a US citizen crumbled. Maybe he spent years resenting his girlfriend, but he couldn't harm her because of the child, so he sought to harm young women who looked similar to his girlfriend and who seemed to be living the American Dream.

You're probably completely right about his ticket to citizenship and his need for another.

I've also wondered if IM's "status" as a cheerleader in that tiny town made him look at Mollie as a possible replacement. I would guess that during IM and DJ's senior year, they had a lot of fun -- pep rallies, ball games, bon fires, after game dances. That senior year can be magical. As a cheerleader, IM was special and by being with her, maybe he felt special too. . . . so when that ended, I'm guessing he lost a lot.

 

[MistyWaters]

No idea, but that article I posted said he tried the drive stalk thing with at least 2 other young women both a little younger than Mollie, but in her age group 18-20.

If both these two stories are true and the woman recognized CR, after it was reported Mollie went missing while running in the streets of Brooklyn and LE and the family were pleading for tips, why on earth wouldn’t either of these alarming instances have been reported to LE?

Especially when it’s a second party repeating a story, if LE were later to follow up with the person in seeking potential witnesses, there’s a real easy way out. “Oh ya well, I misunderstood might’ve been another guy.” People who speak to the media are not under oath.

 

[PommyMommy]

This looks like the motive : anger over rejection (real or imagined)

"In the past, he told her he split up from his ex-girlfriend, the mother of his daughter, because she cheated on him."

Friend of murdered Mollie Tibbetts reveals chilling texts with Cristhian Rivera, Mollie's killer | Daily Mail Online

Ted Bundy was rejected by a woman from a wealthy family that could have secured his political future, and he went on to murder many women who had the same look.

I think it's possible that he saw the girlfriend as his ticket to permanent citizenship, and a life that was as comfortable as her life - whatever that is. When she left him, whether by cheating or not, his dreams of life as a US citizen crumbled. Maybe he spent years resenting his girlfriend, but he couldn't harm her because of the child, so he sought to harm young women who looked similar to his girlfriend and who seemed to be living the American Dream.

Very similar modus operandi here: Levi Bellfield | Murderpedia, the encyclopedia of murderers

He drives around in his car, feels a bit 'whatever' and sees some young blonde girl. Young blonde girl says 'go away' and he thinks 'you dare to turn down Levi Bellfield, you're worth nothing' and then she gets a whack over the head.

"It is shown in the case of Kate Sheedy she was smart enough to think she didn't like the look of his car and crosses the road. He thinks 'you think you're so clever' and whoosh, he runs her over."

While he was under police surveillance, Bellfield was seen driving around in his van, talking to young girls at bus stops. Sutton's theory is also suggested in the timing of Amelie Delagrange's last movements.

CCTV cameras showed her walking towards Twickenham Green after she missed her stop on the bus home. She slowed her pace between the last two sightings, around the time Bellfield passed her in his van. Sutton said she probably stopped to speak to him. Within minutes he had attacked her and left her to die. Bellfield claimed that it was no coincidence that all his victims were of a similar appearance. His last girlfriend, Emma Mills, told police Bellfield always chased after small blonde girls with large chests.

 

[kpm]

You're probably completely right about his ticket to citizenship and his need for another.

I've also wondered if IM's "status" as a cheerleader in that tiny town made him look at Mollie as a possible replacement. I would guess that during IM and DJ's senior year, they had a lot of fun -- pep rallies, ball games, bon fires, after game dances. That senior year can be magical. As a cheerleader, IM was special and by being with her, maybe he felt special too. . . . so when that ended, I'm guessing he lost a lot.

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[kpm]

If both these two stories are true and the woman recognized CR, after it was reported Mollie went missing while running in the streets of Brooklyn and LE and the family were pleading for tips, why on earth wouldn’t either of these alarming instances have been reported to LE?

Especially when it’s a second party repeating a story, if LE were later to follow up with the person in seeking potential witnesses, there’s a real easy way out. “Oh ya well, I misunderstood might’ve been another guy.” People who speak to the media are not under oath.

They may have, we just don’t know

 

[Confusion]

I wrote this last night just as the thread closed for the night. I hope it makes sense today.

I'm sure this one is not likely one of my best, but maybe not my worst either. With so much speculation about blood in the trunk, on his body and clothes, and being seen in public, I have to add my own spin on things.

I still suspect that he may have pulled into the field road just before 200th Street and waited for her to come by. Dragging her in there, he would have been out of site from pretty much all directions. If he did actually murder her there and move her so she wouldn't be found so soon, he would obviously get blood on himself, in the trunk and probably the inside and outside of the car.

Once he dropped her off in the cornfield, he could have driven to the car wash (if it's a manual one rather than drive thru) and cleaned all/most of the blood from the car, and himself. If he did have any spare clothes with him, he could then go to the truck stop and go into the shower there and leave with the clean clothes on, if not, he could go home wearing the clean clothes and shower or just go to bed (he should have been able to get rid of the blood at the car wash.) Either way, he could have left the car windows open to explain why the inside (driver's seat especially) was wet. Chances are that nobody would have to look in the trunk for anything, but rain may have been blamed for it being wet in there too if anyone did.