Found Deceased IA - Mollie Tibbetts, 20, Poweshiek County, 19 Jul 2018 *Arrest* #45

[kpm]

You beat me to it; not fair;

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I would think after all that time, if she was not found, there is a possibility she would have been basically bones.

Is the machine strong enough to grind up bones and clothing?

Sorry, I’m not familiar with this at all

 

[SharonNeedles]

What do you call a man that goes after younger women?

A man.

 

[rebel123]

Just found this - 'Badly decomposing' body found in Merced cornfield

 

[SharonNeedles]

I would think after all that time, if she was not found, there is a possibility she would have been basically bones.

Does the corn get ground up?

Sorry, I’m not familiar with this at all

Those big tines in the front line up between the rows a couple feet above the ground. That directs the corn stalks in where the ears are stripped off. The kernels are stripped from the ears and the corn moves through the chute to the truck that’s following alongside. Stalks and cobs are discharged out the back. Nothing really gets ground up. And anything close to the ground goes under those tines, doesn’t get picked up at all.

 

[feralwriter]

Manther.

 

[kpm]

Just found this - 'Badly decomposing' body found in Merced cornfield

ugh

 

[Al Hoffman]

Good morning good people

Good Morning World, and you too kpm. My prayers and best wishes are with the people living on the coast of the U.S. South and Mid-Atlantic states.

Please, if you are living on the coast, in the path of Hurricane Florence, please for your safety evacuate inland now.

I've been through both Hurricanes Betsy and Katrina in New Orleans, both Category 5 storms as this one is becoming. This is not a storm to disrespect!

God Bless you all, and good luck.

 

[rebel123]

ugh

Just posted to show that bodies are found in cornfields; not a great place to hide a body.

 

[Al Hoffman]

Yes; plus it's part of the 'evolutionary process'; we are still evolving as 'humans', who knew?

Myself, I only just stopped dragging my knuckles...

 

[kpm]

Just posted to show that bodies are found in cornfields; not a great place to hide a body.

Ya, it would appear not a very good hiding place come harvest time.

Thanks for posting and finding that!

 

[Followfacts]

I don't think he's a 'mastermind criminal'; hopefully the autopsy report will help confirm that.

No mastermind for sure!! But not a guy who all this just happened to him and he was somehow a victim of something like a bad day, a bad temper, fate, etc. I’m not saying you said this... but IMO it is hard to rationalize the deliberate and intentional acts of killers as other posters had shared with me, about my questioning WHY?

I read about that Israel Keys no remorse, a predator, preplanned for years and killed people, not all were found and he was caught out of sloppy mistakes also caught on camera abducting etc. he was considered a real SK similar in some respects to CR and dissimilar in other respects to CR. Dissimilar IK had no TYPE he just killed, he had buried a killing kit 2 years before he used it in Vermont. He had these kits buried in different states.
But IK is like CR: no remorse, abduct used sharp object, IK used knives, camera had film of victim, vehicle involved in abduction IK whole thing on tape, CR vehicle and Mollie “suspect closer” and all that circling around prior to abduction. Both Not caught except through sloppy errors.
IK known as a prolific SK, and CR not a mastermind but killed just this once, not likely. Would he kill again if not caught ? Yes IMO.

 

[rebel123]

No mastermind for sure!! But not a guy who all this just happened to him and he was somehow a victim of something like a bad day, a bad temper, fate, etc. I’m not saying you said this... but IMO it is hard to rationalize the deliberate and intentional acts of killers as other posters had shared with me, about my questioning WHY?

I read about that Israel Keys no remorse, a predator, preplanned for years and killed people, not all were found and he was caught out of sloppy mistakes also caught on camera abducting etc. he was considered a real SK similar in some respects to CR and dissimilar in other respects to CR. Dissimilar IK had no TYPE he just killed, he had buried a killing kit 2 years before he used it in Vermont. He had these kits buried in different states.
But IK is like CR: no remorse, abduct used sharp object, IK used knives, camera had film of victim, vehicle involved in abduction IK whole thing on tape, CR vehicle and Mollie “suspect closer” and all that circling around prior to abduction. Both Not caught except through sloppy errors.
IK known as a prolific SK, and CR not a mastermind but killed just this once, not likely. Would he kill again if not caught ? Yes IMO.

LE has nothing at all regarding any previous criminal activity; he's had previous encounters as stated by witnesses; but nothing criminal happened. I think it could be the first time.

 

[1987]

Just posted to show that bodies are found in cornfields; not a great place to hide a body.

all I know about corn fields is there are going to be no fall corn mazes for me this year.

 

[SharonNeedles]

LE has nothing at all regarding any previous criminal activity; he's had previous encounters as stated by witnesses; but nothing criminal happened. I think it could be the first time.

Some people cannot accept that normal people with no criminal history whatsoever and living a relatively unremarkable existence can and do murder with no warning at all. It’s only going to make sense in their minds if they can tell themselves he must have been evil all along. I’m amazed at how such an imaginative backstory can be fabricated after the fact.

 

[Al Hoffman]

I looked up corn harvesting and it would seem they they could drive right over and never know they ran over something?

Previous posters, with first hand corn harvesting experience said that from the cab of a Harvester you have a good view of what is between the rows as you go forward, and one would be keeping an eye out to avoid damage to the Harvester "Head". Another said that a body would likely get caught up in the "head" of the harvester. The Farm Boy/Girl consensus seemed to be that a body would be noticed. I would also think that if MT's remains had not yet been found, Harvester operators and their crew would be on the lookout for a body in any case. If the remains had become skeletonized and scattered by animals, then perhaps the chance of going over the body would be increased. Still, there are people driving the harvested corn out, and somebody might have noticed something in a cleared field, like a flash of pink fabric as they drove past, or a femur sticking up. The body was left near the intersection of two roads that would be "heavily" traveled at harvest time, making it more likely to be noticed.

Any Mid-west 4-H Club input out there?

 

[SharonNeedles]

Previous posters, with first hand corn harvesting experience said that from the cab of a Harvester you have a good view of what is between the rows as you go forward, and one would be keeping an eye out to avoid damage to the Harvester. Another said that a body would likely get caught up in the "head" of the harvester. The Farm Boy/Girl consensus seemed to be that a body would be noticed. I would also think that if MT's remains had not yet been found, Harvester operators and their crew would be on the lookout for a body in any case. If the remains had become skeletonized and scattered by animals, then perhaps the chance of going over the body would be increased. Still, there are people driving the harvested corn out, and somebody might have noticed something in a cleared field, like a flash of pink fabric as they drove past, or a femur sticking up. The body was left near the intersection of two roads that would be "heavily" traveled at harvest time, making it more likely to be noticed.

Any Mid-west 4-H Club input out there?

You’re spot on.

 

[Charliegizmo49]

Would they be able to match his hair after all that time? I thought it would have to contain the root, or follicle, or whatever it is that is only there for a few days.

There are different degrees to a match

Do you know if they had harvested that cornfield if her body would have shown up?

Meaning once a harvesting machine went over her would there be anything left

I don’t want to be too graphic in my question

A combine would have located her without doubt. Whether or not it would have further desecrated her remains as to how alert W the operator was during harvest. We had a beautiful John Deere when i worked our family farm. I was taught to keep within the same rows therefore an operator must look toward.
Second and important, operators are trained to watch the “bumper” or front spreader and
The cutter. Everyone who has operated one has found something which didn’t be long in a field of corn or wheat

 

[Al Hoffman]

You’re spot on.

Thanks, and a Sunny Good Morning to you. I trust that all is well with you and yours?

You can learn a lot from WS. Just trying to a bit of memory for the group think. Glad to have a confirmation from the Iowa collective.

 

[feralwriter]

Some people cannot accept that normal people with no criminal history whatsoever and living a relatively unremarkable existence can and do murder with no warning at all. It’s only going to make sense in their minds if they can tell themselves he must have been evil all along. I’m amazed at how such an imaginative backstory can be fabricated after the fact.

Yes. Either there WERE signs of malfeasance/evil that we missed (whoever 'we' are), or they were plain in sight all along had 'we' just paid attention. The theory that normal folks like you and I just don't all of a sudden one day "snap."

I think part of why it's hard for the average person to subscribe to the "just snapped" theory - people snap apropos of nothing whatsoever, is we don't really hear about it. We just hear- overandoverandover- "Oh, we are so surprised John or Susie Q did that. There's NO way. He wouldn't hurt a fly...." said into TV cameras or quoted after a horrific murder. "That never happens in this town."

It gives us a sense of control over our world & surroundings to think we can spot the predators. I like to think I get a vibe from people like that in person, & I do sometimes. I do sense the people to give a real wide berth to. All I know about CW's picture is I think he's a punk. I would have thought that had I randomly run across his FB.

Trigger warning (on a crime site, lmao)
A friend in CA had a friend who was murdered by her boyfriend. He chased her thru the house, pulling big clumps of her hair out, then stabbed her to death. It was an argument. Before that, he was a dream guy, no signs, always nice, respectful, decent. He called his son and simply stated, "I did something really bad..." My friend couldn't get over it, how the guy had no violence in his background whatsoever.

So maybe that's where the fan fiction evolves from. We just want to believe, we want to feel safe. But we are never truly safe. As a woman, the best I can do is extricate myself from any situation I think there's a remote chance of something about to go down. For Mollie, however, all she did was go out for a jog. That's it. I could walk out to my mailbox this afternoon, & my crazy next door neighbor could dislike something about my t-shirt, & go off. You never know.

edit: is there a branch in psychology that studies or has theories accepted by mainstream science that does subscribe to the 'snapped apropos of nothing' theory? How seriously is it taken?

 

[Al Hoffman]

Just a quick note to remember that today is September 11. 17 years feels like such a long time. Good bless them all, those still with us, and those departed.