ID - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered - Bryan Kohberger Arrested - Moscow # 62

[cottonweaver]

Agree. Looks like no experience living with others. Making loud noises at night, inconsiderate of the disruption he was causing other students in the grad housing.
Then professionally, grading harshly and making comments that anger students as a TA.
So not doing well as a TA.
A professor had an intervention, where students could address him directly with their complaints - have to think the professor first tried talking to him, found him resistant and set up a situation where students could talk directly to him.
His TA position has to have been in jeopardy at that point.

Re the second point , I still believe what I said when this incident first made the news. The Professor's approach was totally unprofessional.
If a new TA is grading work & there are complaints - the work should be automatically referred for reassessment (by others) and ofc the TA should be trained properly in the first place.
When BK replied to a student wtte of I am assessing your work at a higher standard, seems to me that BK hadn't been trained to assess.

I don't think they would have let him go tbh but it 's a pity we never got a date for this incident. Nothing specific beyond around the time of the murders

 

[Kcmom3*]

I just can’t stop thinking about how sloppy he was. It makes no sense. He was a doctorate student studying criminology. Yet, he brought his phone and car to the scene, he put the sheath down, he chose a method that is almost guaranteed to leave dna behind. He had to have known better. It even briefly crossed my mind that he was framed. Did anyne have access to his apartment and couod have taken his phone and car and planted his dna on the sheath?

IMO, I remember when OJ was arrested for the murders of NBS and RG, I intuitively knew he did it. With this case, I don’t have that overwhelming sense of BKs guilt. I have a lot of reasonable doubt. I often wonder why BK is so pensive and introverted. It’s almost like he’s trying to figure out who did it in his head. LE/MSM said the crime scene was sloppy and to me that reeks of a young immature male or student who did it to get back at BK. All BK has to do is go back in his mind and figure out who might have done it-some student he peed off, some student who got a bad grade. BK was a teacher, why does anyone think that he would want to kill students? Unless…… there were some unhappy students who perhaps wanted to get him fired or had threatened to do so. Unfortunately, some tough teachers make enemies of students.

Yep, my thoughts exactly. What if he had a reason for being in the area multiple times before? It looks like pretty dense housing and it is possible that he knows someone in that area. A “friend” who knows this could have framed him. Maybe someone who accompanied him to the area, saw the girls, and became obsessed. It just seems like all the evidence we know of is exactly the trail someone would leave behind if they were framing someone.

 

[legalmomma]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1613516179330699264

 

[Pretty Go Pale]

I just can’t stop thinking about how sloppy he was. It makes no sense. He was a doctorate student studying criminology. Yet, he brought his phone and car to the scene, he put the sheath down, he chose a method that is almost guaranteed to leave dna behind. He had to have known better. It even briefly crossed my mind that he was framed. Did anyne have access to his apartment and couod have taken his phone and car and planted his dna on the sheath?

Yep, my thoughts exactly. What if he had a reason for being in the area multiple times before? It looks like pretty dense housing and it is possible that he knows someone in that area. A “friend” who knows this could have framed him. Maybe someone who accompanied him to the area, saw the girls, and became obsessed. It just seems like all the evidence we know of is exactly the trail someone would leave behind if they were framing someone.

The notion of some Moriarity-level villain framing BK is too fantastical to reasonably accept, imo.

 

[Cool Cats]

Right. I hear what you’re saying and agree it’s confusing! The two situations are not the same though? IMO. BK was not a prisoner when he went to the clinic that day. It was prior to his arrest, he was still a private citizen. I think I’m just going to have to agree to disagree here. No disrespect intended!

Doesn't matter if your a prisoner HIPAA still applies. Besides, those in jail are innocent until proven guilty.

My name is called all the time in front of waiting rooms full of people, par for the course. No HIPAA violation because my medical condition is not revealed to this room full of strangers.

If the receptionist said BK went for an injury to his shoulder that would violate HIPAA, that would be his personal medical information.

The receptionist is a blabber mouth talking to the media, making her untrustworthy. But saying she violated HIPAA is a stretch because she revealed zero of BK's medical condition.

 

[Parsnip]

I don't think they would have let him go tbh but it 's a pity we never got a date for this incident. Nothing specific beyond around the time of the murders

We also don’t know about the timing of his LE internship application and its status. Presumably, he would need some sort of reference or endorsement to be considered. If BK perceived rejection in both the TA and internship endeavors, I would liken that to the job loss condition that is considered to be a major life stressor. Add to that his recent cross country move, another major life stressor.

Obviously, most people cope with these types of situations just fine, but there are those who don’t and who act out in extraordinary ways.

It will be interesting to learn about the timing of the TA and internship events, imo.

 

[Loveallmyhorsesdogsandcats]

IMO, I think a dispute or provocation preceded the killings. I wouldn’t be surprised if BK claims self defense

A stranger who enters someone else‘s home does not get to claim self defense when confronted.

 

[Mad Hettie]

My name is called all the time in front of waiting rooms full of people, par for the course. No HIPAA violation because my medical condition is not revealed to this room full of strangers.

Inmate's names are mentioned all the time in Court Motions when a jail asks the court if they can take them to the dentist or any number of medical places near the jail. It is public knowledge and doesn't disclose their medical condition just because their name is mentioned. No HIPAA violations from disclosing their names and that they are going to a dentist, hospital, Dr apt., lab, etc...A HIPAA violation discloses personal medical information. BK's personal medical information wasn't disclosed.

If the receptionist said BK went for an injury to his shoulder that would violate HIPAA, that would be his personal medical information.

The receptionist is a blabber mouth talking to the media, making her untrustworthy. But saying she violated HIPAA is a stretch.

While I agree with much of what you’re saying, technically his HIPAA rights would have been violated by this receptionist UNLESS she or the physician’s office were given permission by BK. No one in health care can tell stories about patients. Period.

I say this as a BSN-RN

 

[Cool Cats]

Idaho murders: Veteran defense attorney lays out case Bryan Kohberger team could make, 'holes' in affidavit

Idaho murders: Veteran defense attorney lays out case Bryan Kohberger team could make, 'holes' in affidavit

Bryan Kohberger's defense will seek to dismantle many parts of the probable cause affidavit police used to obtain his arrest warrant in the stabbing deaths of four University of Idaho students, according to a high-profile defense attorney.

www.yahoo.com

Yeretsian, whose past clients include Scott Peterson and Michael Jackson, said reliance on cell-site data could be a flaw, if prosecutors do not have something more tangible linking the suspect to the crime scene.

"To me, that's never enough because you could be 10 miles away, 15 miles away even, sometimes, depending on the radius it covers," she said.

Yeretsian pointed to page 15 of the affidavit, which notes that Kohberger's phone pinged a cell tower in Moscow but then says that police do not believe he actually entered the city on that date.

"So you're telling me in an affidavit that that's not reliable?" she said. "How could a judge rely on this information?"

If prosecutors can prove Kohberger's phone registered on the victims' Wi-Fi router, that would place him much closer to the scene. Even so, due to the short distance between his home and theirs, proximity alone does not prove the allegations.

"What if he had a friend in the area he was going to visit?" she asked. "There may have been a very innocent reason for why he may have been in the area. I don’t know. You don’t know. For us, that’s not enough."

As for the "Vans type" footprint found inside the house, that is a common shoe, she noted. Readers even flagged that bodycam video showing a woman answering the door wearing what look like Vans sneakers when police showed up at the King Road home six weeks before the murders in response to a noise complaint.

 

[ilovewings]

While I agree with much of what you’re saying, technically his HIPAA rights would have been violated by this receptionist UNLESS she or the physician’s office were given permission by BK. No one in health care can tell stories about patients. Period.

I say this as a BSN-RN

What Is a HIPAA Violation? 12 Most Common Examples | StrongDM

Many HIPAA violations are related to accessing or sharing patients’ protected health information (PHI). However, violations can also include items such as not training staff or monitoring access logs.

www.strongdm.com

 

[Twistinginthewind]

Bryan Kohberger Back in Court: What To Expect Today​

BY KHALEDA RAHMAN ON 1/12/23 AT 6:50 AM EST

"The man accused of the fatal stabbings of four University of Idaho students will appear in court today.

Bryan Kohberger, 28, is being held at the Latah County Jail, charged with four counts of first-degree murder and one count of felony burglary. Kohberger has yet to enter a plea.
... [...] ...
He will return to the Latah County Courthouse for a hearing scheduled for 8 a.m. PST on Thursday before Judge Megan Marshall.

Thursday's hearing is a status conference, which usually focuses on the scheduling of future court dates. However, decisions could be made at such hearings that alter the case's trajectory.

Kohberger may have a chance to waive his right to a speedy trial, which would allow him more time to enter a plea to the charges against him, or he may agree to skip a preliminary hearing.

If a preliminary hearing does take place, Prosecutor Bill Thompson will have to show the magistrate judge that there is probable cause to believe a crime has been committed and that the defendant committed it.

If the judge is convinced, the case will be sent to Idaho's 2nd District Court. Kohberger would then appear for arraignment before a district judge. At that point, he will have a chance to enter a plea.

If he pleads not guilty, the case will be set for trial. If he pleads guilty, a sentencing hearing will be set."

Bryan Kohberger back in court: What to expect today

 

[Sakura2Sophia4Lucia]

Good questions.

I think he didn't really care and does not currently care about getting away with it. He felt cowmpelled to do it and while he did not want to be caught, it wasn't his top priority.

I think he wants the notoriety (he thinks academia awards fame and fortune, as that's what he's seen in some of his prior experiences, but in fact, it's just a long hard grind to get a public job as a criminologist - or an academic job; to my knowledge, there are no freelance criminologists who haven't already written books and sold scripts, etc).

I think he knew he'd caught and prepared for this phase of defending himself in advance.

Why? I have two theories. Either part of him realized he really needs to be caught and he's daring Society to catch him (meaning: he knows he can't control himself and that he's a monster, so we need to stop him).

OR, he is hoping merely for book deals and fame, as you suggest. Maybe both theories can be right at the same time.

I want to add that many criminals express some degree of relief at being contained and prevented from any further evil actions. This is usually only one of the things they tell themselves.

In a weird way, we're seeing a generational shift in how mass murder/potential serial killing works or gets set into motion. "You're okay, you're fine" as his mantra (if true) is not what Random Maniac Murderers were saying to themselves back in the 1950's, as far as I can tell. He's something like Attias or Rodger (and he knows this). It's not a suicide-by-cop situation, it's a "containment by state prison" kind of situation.s

Brilliant post.

Agree with all of your points. I don't think he really cared about being caught or, actually, gave it much priority, which could explain his use of his phone and car on the night of the crime as well as in his at least 10 trips to near the King Street house.

I am inclined to think that he meant the "I love you" that he mouthed to his family in the PA court, but he either didn't think through what this crime would do to him or his obsession and urge to commit this crime was stronger.

If it's indeed him, his TAT posts display both his struggling with a serious illness/disability as well all the ways that he tried to do things to become more normal.

I believe that it's as 10ofRods says--he knows he's a monster and being caught will keep him from committing more monstrous mass murders.

Given the number of times and the number of months that he likely spent stalking these girls, I wonder if something in particular--or a series of events--happened in early November that set him off and caused him to stop trying to control himself and his urges.

It seems he's had a long interest in the psychological dynamics in criminals and murderers and I can easily see him being involved in writing a book that delves into these issues.

And, I believe that on some level, as 10ofRods sayid, BK is relieved at being caught so that his evil urges can be contained.

MOO

 

[Boxer]

Re the second point , I still believe what I said when this incident first made the news. The Professor's approach was totally unprofessional.
If a new TA is grading work & there are complaints - the work should be automatically referred for reassessment (by others) and ofc the TA should be trained properly in the first place.
When BK replied to a student wtte of I am assessing your work at a higher standard, seems to me that BK hadn't been trained to assess.

I don't think they would have let him go tbh but it 's a pity we never got a date for this incident. Nothing specific beyond around the time of the murders

Agree that the prof used a technique that is not professional, yet people try to solve things this way often. Their mistake I think is that they believe it’s a lack of feedback or information that is the problem, which would be solved with enough information.
MOO It’s not the information, it’s the right perspective on what should be done.

In any case the term started late August and the mid term grades went out mid October, give a week of trauma for students who are seeing their GPA damaged by what they saw as unfair grading and then follow up, MOO the “intervention” meeting would occur late October.

 

[Jawds78]

It was ill-advised for them to give any information. IMO, health information is not limited to the physical. What the receptionists allegedly said could possibly involve BK's mental health. Sure, HIPAA has plenty of legalese but it is also applied as just basic human decency to keep what happens in a physician's office private for patients. JMO and experience.

Personally, if i was involved in a case and was still considered innocent, I don't care about HIPAA per se, I wouldn't want any reporters talking to anybody in my doctors office about me, Period. IMO. Doctors offices should be off-limits unless their is a warrant/ or such. JMO, MOO (The line is so fine regarding HIPAA, and much is so personal- why take any chances?)

 

[Elley Mae]

Idaho murders: Veteran defense attorney lays out case Bryan Kohberger team could make, 'holes' in affidavit

Idaho murders: Veteran defense attorney lays out case Bryan Kohberger team could make, 'holes' in affidavit

Bryan Kohberger's defense will seek to dismantle many parts of the probable cause affidavit police used to obtain his arrest warrant in the stabbing deaths of four University of Idaho students, according to a high-profile defense attorney.

www.yahoo.com

Yeretsian, whose past clients include Scott Peterson and Michael Jackson, said reliance on cell-site data could be a flaw, if prosecutors do not have something more tangible linking the suspect to the crime scene.

"To me, that's never enough because you could be 10 miles away, 15 miles away even, sometimes, depending on the radius it covers," she said.

Yeretsian pointed to page 15 of the affidavit, which notes that Kohberger's phone pinged a cell tower in Moscow but then says that police do not believe he actually entered the city on that date.

"So you're telling me in an affidavit that that's not reliable?" she said. "How could a judge rely on this information?"

If prosecutors can prove Kohberger's phone registered on the victims' Wi-Fi router, that would place him much closer to the scene. Even so, due to the short distance between his home and theirs, proximity alone does not prove the allegations.

"What if he had a friend in the area he was going to visit?" she asked. "There may have been a very innocent reason for why he may have been in the area. I don’t know. You don’t know. For us, that’s not enough."

As for the "Vans type" footprint found inside the house, that is a common shoe, she noted. Readers even flagged that bodycam video showing a woman answering the door wearing what look like Vans sneakers when police showed up at the King Road home six weeks before the murders in response to a noise complaint.

From link.

The DNA found on a knife sheath that police recovered from the crime scene is not "narrow enough," she said, and police have not publicly revealed a potential motive.

Not narrow enough?

Motive?

I don’t need a motive if the evidence puts him there. I don’t need a motive as juror to convict.

Jmo

 

[BelleIsle]

Idaho murders: Veteran defense attorney lays out case Bryan Kohberger team could make, 'holes' in affidavit

Idaho murders: Veteran defense attorney lays out case Bryan Kohberger team could make, 'holes' in affidavit

Bryan Kohberger's defense will seek to dismantle many parts of the probable cause affidavit police used to obtain his arrest warrant in the stabbing deaths of four University of Idaho students, according to a high-profile defense attorney.

www.yahoo.com

Yeretsian, whose past clients include Scott Peterson and Michael Jackson, said reliance on cell-site data could be a flaw, if prosecutors do not have something more tangible linking the suspect to the crime scene.

"To me, that's never enough because you could be 10 miles away, 15 miles away even, sometimes, depending on the radius it covers," she said.

Yeretsian pointed to page 15 of the affidavit, which notes that Kohberger's phone pinged a cell tower in Moscow but then says that police do not believe he actually entered the city on that date.

"So you're telling me in an affidavit that that's not reliable?" she said. "How could a judge rely on this information?"

If prosecutors can prove Kohberger's phone registered on the victims' Wi-Fi router, that would place him much closer to the scene. Even so, due to the short distance between his home and theirs, proximity alone does not prove the allegations.

"What if he had a friend in the area he was going to visit?" she asked. "There may have been a very innocent reason for why he may have been in the area. I don’t know. You don’t know. For us, that’s not enough."

As for the "Vans type" footprint found inside the house, that is a common shoe, she noted. Readers even flagged that bodycam video showing a woman answering the door wearing what look like Vans sneakers when police showed up at the King Road home six weeks before the murders in response to a noise complaint.

Those noise complaint videos are something. I watched 3. It seems that there were tons of random people coming and going from that house, sometimes even when the primary occupants weren't home. It gave me a different perspective on the general environment and was quite eye opening.

So, at this point either: BK did it (and did it rapidly) between 4-4:18ish, was there once and then came back and killed again, was driving the car around while waiting for someone else who was inside the house committing the crimes, was driving around doing his stalker thing and happened to see some unusual activity and kept coming back to check it out, what else have we got...?

 

[Sakura2Sophia4Lucia]

Re the second point , I still believe what I said when this incident first made the news. The Professor's approach was totally unprofessional.
If a new TA is grading work & there are complaints - the work should be automatically referred for reassessment (by others) and ofc the TA should be trained properly in the first place.
When BK replied to a student wtte of I am assessing your work at a higher standard, seems to me that BK hadn't been trained to assess.

I don't think they would have let him go tbh but it 's a pity we never got a date for this incident. Nothing specific beyond around the time of the murders

The professor's way of handling this situation was exceedingly unprofessional and quite hostile. MOO

 

[Twistinginthewind]

I just can’t stop thinking about how sloppy he was. It makes no sense. He was a doctorate student studying criminology. Yet, he brought his phone and car to the scene, he put the sheath down, he chose a method that is almost guaranteed to leave dna behind. He had to have known better. It even briefly crossed my mind that he was framed. Did anyne have access to his apartment and couod have taken his phone and car and planted his dna on the sheath?

Yep, my thoughts exactly. What if he had a reason for being in the area multiple times before? It looks like pretty dense housing and it is possible that he knows someone in that area. A “friend” who knows this could have framed him. Maybe someone who accompanied him to the area, saw the girls, and became obsessed. It just seems like all the evidence we know of is exactly the trail someone would leave behind if they were framing someone.

New details on Bryan Kohberger's past from Pleasant Valley classmate, forensic psychiatrist weighs in​

• Priscilla Liguori
• January 12, 2023

BBM:

"69 News talked with renowned forensic psychiatrist Dr. Carole Lieberman about how the 28-year-old's past in Pennsylvania may have impacted his future.

"Bryan Kohberger studied the criminal mind after studying psychology because he was trying to understand himself," said Dr. Lieberman. "The more they get rejected, the more low self-esteem they develop, the more anger they develop."

The stabbings were what Dr. Lieberman calls a rage killing.

"That is why he wasn't really able to keep track of things, his DNA and the knife sheath, as well as he knew to from his studies," said Dr. Lieberman.

We'll note defendants are presumed innocent until proven guilty, and Dr. Lieberman has closely followed the case, but not evaluated Kohberger herself.

Lieberman theorized, "he wanted to be a notorious killer, just like he was reading about in his classes."

Countless people in the Pleasant Valley schools, Northampton Community College and DeSales University communities say they're going to be following Kohberger's court proceedings closely."

New details on Bryan Kohberger's past from Pleasant Valley classmate, forensic psychiatrist weighs in

 

[Ceska]

IMO, remember that a fight or disagreement may have occurred at the frat house before the murders.

I'm not sure how a fight at the frat house would change anything, there would be many witnesses. And we still have BK's DNA at the house, so far as we know there was no other DNA found on the knife sheath. I guess I am not sure what the frat house has to do with the murders? BK was not at the frat house.

 

[Justice101]

Interesting posts by you good people...