ID - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered - Bryan Kohberger Arrested - Moscow # 64

[jepop]

<modsnip - quoted post snipped> If I read that right, he called DM seeing him in the house "hearsay".

I think he's being disingenous. Dylan saw what she saw, and gave a statement to the police. That is not hearsay. It is hearsay that she saw BK. But Dylan's statement does not say that she identified BK. MOO but it is in the PCA

 

[layer]

Where am I looking? (for the source)

Here ya go:

Why was HVAC contractor at the crime scene?

Veteran investigator Mike King tells NewsNation’s “Banfield” that people should wait until more information is released before speculating.

www.newsnationnow.com

 

[Zella]

I'm going to apologise in advance because I've just come on after a couple of days so obviously haven't caught up (never will). Why is the type of mask he was wearing so important?

I think a lot of people are quick to jump on the misreporting because there's been a lot of that going around, with media just blatantly misreporting what's in the PCA. And then it snowballs into a game of telephone wherein people run with a false narrative, so in that sense, I do think--and I suspect a lot of others do--that correcting those factual errors when they happen is important to discussing the case factually.

But more specific to the case, I think one of the reasons it's important is because of the reaction of the witness. According to the PCA, the mask covered his nose and mouth, and I do suspect that could be one of the reasons why she was weirded out and quickly locked the door but didn't immediately report it. Per her description, it could be any number of masks that someone wears, like a covid face mask or even a winter weather mask, and it doesn't automatically compute as nefarious (even if it is weird in context) like, say, a ski mask. An unannounced guy in your house that sees a lot of traffic in the middle of the night sporting a covid mask or a winter mask might just be someone's guest. That same unannounced guy in a ski mask in the middle of the night has a very different vibe that just sort of cries out "Up to no good." MOO

 

[Observant-ADHD-ENFP-BSc]

I'm going to apologise in advance because I've just come on after a couple of days so obviously haven't caught up (never will). Why is the type of mask he was wearing so important?

I'm not suggesting it is. That isn't to say it will not become important at some point. I was ruminating over some of the facts, had a theory, and like yourself, I am also perpetually catching up.

 

[browneyes]

IMO, the TV presentation on Dateline is head and shoulders above the 20/20 presentation. For Example 20/20 really blurs the details about the year of the Elantra and Dateline explains it well as to when they discovered they were really looking for a 2015.

Dateline was awesome. 20/20 is boring and a bit fluff. All over the place.

 

[browneyes]

Because they were deceased so no reason. Police “cleared” the scene first.

Yeah, that wasn’t the implication, but ok.

 

[zoomom2]

It is, but can you imagine what a circus that courtroom would become on cross examination? Barry Scheck's "Where is it Mr Fung?" would have nothing on Anne Taylor's cross examination of the 911 call timeline alone.

haha - i can still see Barry Sheck pouncing and saying "and what about THAT, Mr Fung!?!". hahaha. I thought I was the only person that remembered that.

 

[Observant-ADHD-ENFP-BSc]

Here ya go:

Why was HVAC contractor at the crime scene?

Veteran investigator Mike King tells NewsNation’s “Banfield” that people should wait until more information is released before speculating.

www.newsnationnow.com

That is very interesting.
If that is significant in any way (which I am starting to think it is), I do not think we will hear about it until the trial.

JMO

 

[Allabouttrial]

I'm not suggesting it is. That isn't to say it will not become important at some point. I was ruminating over some of the facts, had a theory, and like yourself, I am also perpetually catching up.

Honestly, I was genuinely curious.

 

[jepop]

I think a lot of people are quick to jump on the misreporting because there's been a lot of that going around, with media just blatantly misreporting what's in the PCA. And then it snowballs into a game of telephone wherein people run with a false narrative, so in that sense, I do think--and I suspect a lot of others do--that correcting those factual errors when they happen is important to discussing the case factually.

But more specific to the case, I think one of the reasons it's important is because of the reaction of the witness. According to the PCA, the mask covered his nose and mouth, and I do suspect that could be one of the reasons why she was weirded out and quickly locked the door but didn't immediately report it. Per her description, it could be any number of masks that someone wears, like a covid face mask or even a winter weather mask, and it doesn't automatically compute as nefarious (even if it is weird in context) like, say, a ski mask. An unannounced guy in your house that sees a lot of traffic in the middle of the night sporting a covid mask or a winter mask might just be someone's guest. That same unannounced guy in a ski mask in the middle of the night has a very different vibe that just sort of cries out "Up to no good." MOO

Yes, and that's why, to me, the Daily M reporting totally falsely and unsupported that Dylan saw the person wearing a ski mask, stinks (MOO) of stirring the pot to blame the victim MOO.

ETA and this is in conjunction with including in the same article a quote from LeBar that reads as his calling Dylan's statement "hearsay".

 

[layer]

I think one of the reasons it's important is because of the reaction of the witness. According to the PCA, the mask covered his nose and mouth, and I do suspect that could be one of the reasons why she was weirded out and quickly locked the door but didn't immediately report it. Per her description, it could be any number of masks that someone wears, like a covid face mask or even a winter weather mask, and it doesn't automatically compute as nefarious (even if it is weird in context) like, say, a ski mask. An unannounced guy in your house that sees a lot of traffic in the middle of the night sporting a covid mask or a winter mask might just be someone's guest. That same unannounced guy in a ski mask in the middle of the night has a very different vibe that just sort of cries out "Up to no good."

Good point!
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[justwannahelp]

Dylan saw what she saw, and gave a statement to the police. That is not hearsay. It is herasay that she saw BK. But Dylan's statement does not say that she identified BK. MOO

Yes! I think it was very smart they went about this. It’s not necessary for them to destroy her now. The jury can make of it what they will. The defense can start screaming all they want “but she’s not certain it was BK because she was intoxicated.” And she can just say i only said i saw a man i didn’t know leaving around 4am around 5’10 lean but muscular etc bushy eyebrows (what she stated).

And I’m still very interested about Dylan and Bethany’s phones because the PCA states their phones narrowed down the time of the murders….

They mysteriously don’t mention a word about Bethany in the PCA. Maybe Bethany didn’t hear anything but was recording a tik tok video or something that shows something in the window. Who knows?

 

[layer]

Honestly, I was genuinely curious.

I was too, until I read Zella's post!

 

[drmrgrl]

I'm so, so sorry again.
I have some questions. I'm on an interesting tangent.
All JMO.

Apparently, BK has some HVAC knowledge.
The HVAC van that was seen at the house.
As far as I remember, it was before the murders, is that correct?

What is known publicly about the reason for the HVAC visit?
(I'm guessing not much, but has anything been mentioned about the reason for the visit?)

Did the housemates make a complaint or job request for the HVAC visit, and what was it?


I have more but I will spare you from them

IMO, I believe LE asked for HVAC service after the murders.

 

[jepop]

Yes! I think it was very smart they went about this. It’s not necessary for them to destroy her now. The jury can make of it what they will. The defense can start screaming all they want but she’s not certain it was BK because she was intoxicated. And she can just say i only said i saw a man there around 4am leaving blah blah blah. Never said it was BK. I didn’t know BK.

And I’m still very interested about Dylan and Bethany’s phones because the PCA states their phones narrowed down the time of the murders….

They mysteriously don’t mention a word about Bethany in the PCA. Maybe Bethany didn’t hear anything but was recording a tik tok video or something that shows something in the window. Who knows?

BBM, her statement is along the lines that she didn't recognise the person, nothing about intoxication. In the PCA. Yes, re Bethany etc, The PCA only includes what LE deemed necessary to have BK arrested on probable cause.

 

[ChitBrick]

Dateline was awesome. 20/20 is boring and a bit fluff. All over the place.

I didn’t catch the dateline one

 

[layer]

They mysteriously don’t mention a word about Bethany in the PCA. Maybe Bethany didn’t hear anything but was recording a tik tok video or something that shows something in the window. Who knows?

My suspicion is that she slept through the entire ordeal. In fact, it might have only been once she got up that DM came out and the 911 call was set in motion. She was all alone, down in (basically the basement) the first floor. The room directly above her's is DM's, which had no activity.

JMHO

 

[drmrgrl]

Ooooh.
That makes it more interesting. I was saving this question but here is, what is the mention of their reason there?
and were they specialists of some kind?
Once again, I apologise if this has been mentioned before.
ETA: spellings, ofc

IMO, I’m going to guess and say that the killer left the slider open and cold cold air got into the home which kicked in the heater into MAX output and it broke. Therefore, it was cold in the house that Sunday AM-very cold and the odors……….we needn’t go there.

 

[justwannahelp]

BBB, he statement is along the lines that she didn't recognise the person, nothing about intoxication. In the PCA. Yes, re Bethany etc, The PCA only includes what LE deemed necessary to have BK arrested on probable cause.

Right
I’m just speculating that IF she would have stated that it was indeed BK that she saw, the defense would have tried the whole character assassination angle. You were intoxicated. You were this. You have a history of that. They would have painted her as not believable to the jury. But since she’s only saying a stranger leaving, there’s no need to do that. there’s no need to convince the jury she’s making that up. A stranger isn’t necessarily BK. So why paint her as a liar?

 

[jepop]

Right
I’m just speculating that IF she would have stated that it was indeed BK that she saw, the defense would have tried the whole character assassination angle. You were intoxicated. You were this. You have a history of that. They would have painted her as not believable to the jury. But since she’s only saying a stranger leaving, there’s no need to do that. there’s no need to convince the jury she’s making that up. A stranger isn’t necessarily BK. So why paint her as a liar?

Exactly. This latest article from the DM with it's quote re hearsay and that Dylan said she saw a man in a ski mask...it paints a picture. Why paint this picture? Can't go there without bashing an approved source so have to move on.