ID - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered - Bryan Kohberger Arrested - Moscow # 64

[10ofRods]

I learned that my state of Colorado also allows jury questions during trial by closely following the Redwine trial.

After the verdict ( guilty -hallelujah), the actual handwritten forms were uploaded to the Court website along with all other documents for public viewing.

Posting only for those curious about the form jurors fill out to ask a question of witnesses:

https://www.courts.state.co.us/userfiles/file/Court_Probation/06th_Judicial_District/La_Plata/Redwine/Jury%20questions%20-%20Duing%20Trial%20pt%202.pdf

Source:

Home | Colorado Judicial Branch

www.courts.state.co.us

Thank you so much. This is making for lively conversation around our house.

 

[Nila Aella]

Thanks so much for your first hand input!
So if there are some very perceptive jurors with inquisitive minds, they could perhaps ask questions either side's attorney maybe hadn't planned on asking. I guess those questions might not be "approved" for ask and answer. Very interesting concept in a trial.

moo

In our case most of the questions were approved, a few were not. Most of our questions were for the defendant (Criminal charge was Rape). About half of us on the jury asked questions.

I also recall that the there were questions for the experts that testified.

MOO
edit: added sentence about expert questions.

 

[debbiediablo]

IMO, maybe there was a second intruder in the house on the third floor? Actually, I was trying to find a plausible reason for the “ thud” mentioned in the PCA

Plausible? Murphy jumping around Kaylee's room after she and Maddie are killed, and, for certain he can smell their blood. Or, more likely, Xana falling to the floor where her body was found by investigating officers. MOO

 

[GRT]

So what is your recommendation? That the prosecution just chuck all their evidence into the public domain and we take a public poll to decide what to do with him? That's really no different than a lynch mob. No process is perfect but, at least with a trial, the defendant has a judge administering the trial, excluding prejudicial evidence or witnesses, trying to keep the scales of justice balanced.

By rights, what should happen is all evidence should be turned over to the defense early on, so the defense knows what has and hasn't been found. At least, that's the type of honest defense our Founders envisioned when they determined that the accused must be considered innocent until proved guilty in a court of law.

But, should they "chuck all their evidence into the public domain..." as you suggest? I think that would be rather foolhardy for just the reason you spell out. That's not even close to justice.

I would only ask for honesty and forthright behavior. No games. If you clicked any of the links I posted, you know it's an ongoing issue. That doesn't mean we will see a problem in the Moscow case, but it's relatively prevalent.

No matter how much we want to see a specific defendant locked up or executed, I hope we stand on the side of what is right. In the long run, it benefits us all.

 

[GRT]

I learned that my state of Colorado also allows jury questions during trial by closely following the Redwine trial.

After the verdict ( guilty -hallelujah), the actual handwritten forms were uploaded to the Court website along with all other documents for public viewing.

Posting only for those curious about the form jurors fill out to ask a question of witnesses:

https://www.courts.state.co.us/userfiles/file/Court_Probation/06th_Judicial_District/La_Plata/Redwine/Jury%20questions%20-%20Duing%20Trial%20pt%202.pdf

Source:

Home | Colorado Judicial Branch

www.courts.state.co.us

That sounds like an excellent idea!

 

[Crashman]

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He could plead guilty simply to avoid a trial. This would be different than a plea deal. The penalty phase is separate.


However, I doubt he will do this. I think he wants "the excitement" of a trial.

otally agree. I think he wants to bask in the spEC tickle

By rights, what should happen is all evidence should be turned over to the defense early on, so the defense knows what has and hasn't been found. At least, that's the type of honest defense our Founders envisioned when they determined that the accused must be considered innocent until proved guilty in a court of law.

But, should they "chuck all their evidence into the public domain..." as you suggest? I think that would be rather foolhardy for just the reason you spell out. That's not even close to justice.

I would only ask for honesty and forthright behavior. No games. If you clicked any of the links I posted, you know it's an ongoing issue. That doesn't mean we will see a problem in the Moscow case, but it's relatively prevalent.

No matter how much we want to see a specific defendant locked up or executed, I hope we stand on the side of what is right. In the long run, it benefits us all.

My guess is that everything will be done by the book. The prosecutors in my opinion have a very strong case and they will not likely play any games that might get some crucial evidence tossed out.

 

[eloquence]

does anyone think that the defense is going to review the existing DNA evidence and then look for more DNA samples from the house and maybe look for more Elantras?

IMO given there's video of BK parking his car, there's likely also video of BK. They're also going to have to narrow these white Elantra owners, who have DNA in the house, down to tall athletic white males as well

 

[debbiediablo]

Thank you so much. This is making for lively conversation around our house.

I've served on two juries for lesser crimes and one grand jury I can never discuss. Being able to ask questions, particularly in one trial involving a guy who kicked in the door of his ex-girlfriend's car, would've been helpful. I felt that neither of the attorneys got to the crux of the matter.

 

[Walela]

I learned that my state of Colorado also allows jury questions during trial by closely following the Redwine trial.

After the verdict ( guilty -hallelujah), the actual handwritten forms were uploaded to the Court website along with all other documents for public viewing.

Posting only for those curious about the form jurors fill out to ask a question of witnesses:

https://www.courts.state.co.us/userfiles/file/Court_Probation/06th_Judicial_District/La_Plata/Redwine/Jury%20questions%20-%20Duing%20Trial%20pt%202.pdf

Source:

Home | Colorado Judicial Branch

www.courts.state.co.us

Thank you so very much! I totally enjoyed reading the questions you linked. Certainly seems the jurors were paying attention.

jmo

 

[Walela]

Woah. That's huge. I'm a closet procedural geek. (The part about the jury being able to ask questions during trial).

There's a WSer that has an avatar that looks so much like JE Wood! He's so creepy (the WSer is using an avatar from a reconstruction of a missing person from a dead body, I believe - maybe JE Wood looked dead before he actually was).

He didn't actually get the DP, though, he died of natural causes, as BK likely will, as well. Wood committed his murder in 1993 and died 11 years later, of natural causes, in his death row cell.

That part about the jury asking questions is totally new to me - I have never heard of that before. Would love to hear how that works in your jurisdiction, if you have that kind of rule.

With respect, he was actually given the death penalty, he just died in his death row cell before the sentence was carried out. If he hadn't been given the death penalty, he wouldn't have had a death row cell. (not meant to be argumentative or insulting your opinions and posts are always enlightening)
moo

 

[GRT]

My guess is that everything will be done by the book. The prosecutors in my opinion have a very strong case and they will not likely play any games that might get some crucial evidence tossed out.

I sure hope so!

 

[Cindizzi]

Thank you so very much! I totally enjoyed reading the questions you linked. Certainly seems the jurors were paying attention.

jmo

Not to go too far off topic, but 13 year old Dylan Redwine went “missing “ in 2012. His father arrested in 2017, trial in 2021 and found guilty.
For years I saw DR face on billboards daily on my commute to work and saw posters in my grocery store.

I didn’t miss one minute of that trial.

To learn that the Jury could send questions to Witnesses during the trial made it especially riveting because one could somewhat determine what the Jurors were focusing on!

Moo

 

[debbiediablo]

I was wondering why he chose WSU from PA.
Maybe it was this lab? and the research they did from this lab?

JMO

My oldest has her PhD in biomedical engineering. She chose grad school because her employer paid the tuition (the U is about ten blocks from the lab where she worked) provided she agreed to work there during the completion of her dissertation, et al, and for five years thereafter. She chose her undergrad college because they offered her a full academic ride (tuition, books, fees, but not living expenses). For her it was all about $$$ and quality of education. I'm guessing BCK was willing to move cross country for similar reasons. Plus, at age 28, he may have been ready to empty the PA nest.

 

[gizmobtj]

I don't know what reason the police might have for holding back the 911 call, but I really don't understand what is to be gained from public release. It may well be chaotic, difficult to understand, full of crying or screaming and contain the names of 3rd party bystanders who do not need to be publicly identified. I think it would reopen the tragedy for all involved and frankly it's none of my business. MOO

Right. Good point. The question may really be "why release it ..." I suspect they ultimately will under a public records request but since it was not near the time of the murders, I doubt it will offer much other than more harassment of the living victims

 

[ktm44]

I don't know what reason the police might have for holding back the 911 call, but I really don't understand what is to be gained from public release. It may well be chaotic, difficult to understand, full of crying or screaming and contain the names of 3rd party bystanders who do not need to be publicly identified. I think it would reopen the tragedy for all involved and frankly it's none of my business. MOO

Would the public benefit from knowing the placement of bodies, nature and description of wounds or any other description of a crime scene?

At this point, SM super sleuths have damaged many innocent people’s reputations and I would fear how they would react after being handed information on the actual crime scene and other actual witnesses.

 

[Walela]

I've served on two juries for lesser crimes and one grand jury I can never discuss. Being able to ask questions, particularly in one trial involving a guy who kicked in the door of his ex-girlfriend's car, would've been helpful. I felt that neither of the attorneys got to the crux of the matter.

I guess in some jurisdictions the lawmakers want jurors to remain as instructed and to sit as a neutral fact-finding body. I have mixed thoughts on the practice of allowing questions.
jmo

 

[Odeto BJ]

I learned that my state of Colorado also allows jury questions during trial by closely following the Redwine trial.

After the verdict ( guilty -hallelujah), the actual handwritten forms were uploaded to the Court website along with all other documents for public viewing.

Posting only for those curious about the form jurors fill out to ask a question of witnesses:

https://www.courts.state.co.us/userfiles/file/Court_Probation/06th_Judicial_District/La_Plata/Redwine/Jury%20questions%20-%20Duing%20Trial%20pt%202.pdf

Source:

Home | Colorado Judicial Branch

www.courts.state.co.us

I found it reassuring that:
In the brief interval delineated by the dates there were a considerable number of questions and THEY WERE NOT ALL BY THE SAME ONE OR TWO PEOPLE, by comparison of the handwriting;
And
The questions were largely at a detail and probative level: Meaning not only were the jurors paying attention and inquisitive, but also the questions seem to be relevant and consequential.

Serves to restore some of my waning credence when it comes to Juries and their efficacy....

 

[SRWCF]

I don't know what reason the police might have for holding back the 911 call, but I really don't understand what is to be gained from public release. It may well be chaotic, difficult to understand, full of crying or screaming and contain the names of 3rd party bystanders who do not need to be publicly identified. I think it would reopen the tragedy for all involved and frankly it's none of my business. MOO

If the surviving eyewitness roommate, DM, actual spoke to the 911 operator, she might have described the suspect in that call.

Before his arrest, LE definitely wouldn't have wanted BCK to know about her, because I think he, frankly, didn't realize he had been seen by anyone other than the victims.

My guess is that the 911 call contains highly sensitive evidence and I hope they don't release it for the prying public to dissect!

 

[Wishbone]

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otally agree. I think he wants to bask in the spEC tickle

My guess is that everything will be done by the book. The prosecutors in my opinion have a very strong case and they will not likely play any games that might get some crucial evidence tossed out.

IMO The defense could try for contamination of the crime scene to get crucial evidence thrown out. I expect them to try......

 

[CSIDreamer]

I'm sorry to repeatedly challenge this, but first year PhD students -- at WSU and elsewhere -- absolutely do receive tuition remission (i.e., they do not have to pay for tuition as long as they have a TA, RA, or GA job). PhD students, not just candidates, receive this benefit. More info from WSU. If you read this page carefully, you'll see that out of state tuition is covered in the first year of a PhD student's time at WSU as long as they attain in state residency.

Also, it is very common for PhD students (and candidates) to only TA a single class to receive these benefits. This is all based on my experience as a PhD student and candidate in the US, and I'm around BK's age (although graduated).

I just put the same link up. I'm not seeing a "50 %" waiver on that link at all. In other words, I'm agreeing with you.