ID - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered - Bryan Kohberger Arrested - Moscow # 65

[drmrgrl]

He drove by a number of times as listed by the affadavitt. I believe he was smart enough to take note of how many cars where there and most of their social media was open so he could deduce who's car belonged to who (the FB detectives did it ). He drove by the residence multiple times that night, even stopping by in front of it, so he would see how many cars were there. I think he k ew who was there that night before he went in.

IMO. I don’t know if this is important or not. I remember during the early investigation, that LE/media were always focusing on KG and MM and very little was said about X and Es timeline/ whereabouts that night. Because of SO LITTLE info on X and E, and nobody speaking up, I came to the conclusion that X and E were the targets and that they somehow know BK, but I can’t figure out the connection.

 

[jepop]

Which of the roommates was living at the house back in August?

Was BK really sitting outside the house back in August, using the wifi at 1122? Did he hack into their wifi? What else?! It wouldn't surprise me to learn that BK had entered the home before and snuck around. Wonder if LE have gone through BKs devices.

Something else I've been wondering, BK was inside the house for less than 30 minutes the night of the murders. Would the 4 roommates have been deceased by the time he left? It might have only taken him 20 minutes to stab 4 people but that doesn't mean he killed 4 people in 20 minutes. IMO.

Regarding your last paragraph: If you read the PCA with an eye to all the times for the vehicle sightings and leavings, it strongly suggests that he would have been inside the house for no more than 10-15 minutes IMO. From what I understand and have read about these heinous murders, I have no doubt that the victims would have died very quickly but that is still MOO

 

[CityKid]

As it appears BK was watching the house and perhaps one or more of the residents, I’d be interested in knowing whether he was watching the Food Truck Twitch feed on the Saturday night.

Is there any evidence that someone bought food for the girls that night?

No evidence. The Twitch shows K&M paying for their own food at the truck. X had DoorDash delivered at 4a.m.; the truck isn't open at that time. D's comments in the affidavit don't mention food. B's activities that night aren't mentioned in the affidavit.

 

[10ofRods]

Well someone who works at Albertsons certainly knows what he bought. My guess is he didn’t buy a giant cart of groceries so if it was a few items someone probably remembers. I wish they would join this site and tell us!

That someone might need to have their memory corroborated by what Albertson's has on cameras and in computers.

No one at Albertson's is going to say what they think they remember to the public at this point in time (not many jobs out in those small towns; Albertson's cashier is a good job).

When they say what they remember to LE, LE is still going to want more than just a person's memory. Especially at this point.

I'm surprised you're certain that employees remember every purchase by every customer. That's not how I view things.

 

[Luna20]

It doesn't have anything to do with guilt, imo, but it's an entire important field of study related to killers!

It can very much help people understand the crimes better. Case in point: people don't understand how a PhD student in criminology could make such basic mistakes. To the extent that they think he didn't do it! I have a DSM entry in my head right now that could explain that, and it's a well-researched subject of its own.

I'm biased because I considered grad school for exactly this subject, lol. But it is a large part of true crime, I think it's fair to say overall, too.

What is the “well researched subject”? Am I missing something?

 

[pittsburghgirl]

Agree -- it's especially challenging when department's ask or require first year students to TA or teach if they don't have experience. Luckily I had teaching experience when I began my PhD, but there were a lot of rough moments even with some experience. You're absolutely right and, IMO, BK was probably struggling with his perceived self image in response to how poorly TAing was going (at least according to some of his unsatisfied students).

Also, was BK's MA online? Or at least partially online? I wonder if he was having a difficult time adjusting to in person classes and socializing, especially at the PhD level. We know from some of his peers that he made comments that bothered them.

Teaching can attract people who see it as a vehicle to have power over others. I've been a teacher for many years, 35+ years at the university level, and I've known teachers/professors who claim to have "high standards" when what they like is the power of punishing kids they think don't belong in college or whom they see as somehow inferior. One example I recall is a professor giving a student at F for falling behind in class when his baby was born prematurely and spent a month in the NICU when an Incomplete for the term would have been, well, kinder.

 

[drmrgrl]

Possible. They could have also been there for any totally random reason, like maybe police had moved the filters for evidence and they were scheduled to go there to put in place new filters.
The timing - 3 weeks after the murders, not a few days - kinda makes me think it is more likely to at least be something else than helping with inital checking of the ducts and removal of the filters. I also think it is possible they were zoning in on BK by then, as they had been asking for specific video footage for a long while already, and had probably narrowed the suspect pool at least notably.

IMO, OMG, the “thud” mentioned in the PCA was the HVAC system coming on that morning.

 

[Walela]

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I agree with you, but the PCA does specifically say that the phone "hasn't connected to any towers that provide service to Moscow since [Nov. 14th]."

It sure does...I didn't see that. Thank you.

Wish they would have said if the phone was ever turned off again after that date and I would like to know what was the ending date of the cellular data request.

 

[seemstome]

That someone might need to have their memory corroborated by what Albertson's has on cameras and in computers.

No one at Albertson's is going to say what they think they remember to the public at this point in time (not many jobs out in those small towns; Albertson's cashier is a good job).

When they say what they remember to LE, LE is still going to want more than just a person's memory. Especially at this point.

I'm surprised you're certain that employees remember every purchase by every customer. That's not how I view things.

Oh it’s just because I’m a visual learner, I remember stuff like that, I guess. Plus he kind of stands out.

 

[TL4S]

You might want to scroll and roll through this...

I learned a ton about cell phone triangulation during the Mollie Tibbets case. I'm sure it's been pointed out already here, but what gives LE a more accurate location, imo, is not the individual pings, but the movement of the phone as it pings, because as it moves in range of different towers, it will ping in that tower's range within a certain direction and distance. When the phone pings off several towers as it moves (like within a vehicle driving), the cell tower data begins to overlap, like a ven diagram, making a more and more specific location. I'm horrible at explaining this, I'm sorry. And most likely I'm screwed up like I am on so many other details. Anyway, here's a homemade map (sorry, it's from the MT thread) as an example. The phone pings off one tower, then as they drive, pings off another. Where the towers' ranges and distances overlap becomes the general vicinity of the phone (the yellow section).

 

[Cryptic]

I spent a few years supervising first-year teaching assistants. It's possible for someone to recover from a bad start; the student complaints could be a teachable moment in the TA's teaching career. But evidently BK is not teachable when his sense of superiority or authority is challenged.

I think that is an excellent summary.

Any attempt to give BK a teachable moment would involve BK needing to realize that he was at fault and it was not the fault of the undergraduates for failing to recognize and respond to his authority, special knowledge etc. As you stated, BK was simply not going to do that.

BK probably only needed to admit that he was partially at fault as the professors would likely allow BK to save some face as to preserve his teaching authority. But.... BK would not even do that and instead gives the program the "FU".

 

[di anna]

From my understanding their are some privacy issues with a router.
(1) You can move into a house and never change the password and so previous residents could possibly have privy to your information.
(2) If you have large amounts of traffic in your residence someone could potentially change your passcode w/o your knowledge and thus be privy to
information within your home.
(3) Persons with nefarious intentions that have IT knowledge can adjust your router and can possibly obtain information from within your residence by just being in close proximity.
(4) Many people are very unknowing about this or apathetic.

 

[Which_pancake]

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I agree with you, but the PCA does specifically say that the phone "hasn't connected to any towers that provide service to Moscow since [Nov. 14th]."

This is surely obvious, but it just occurred to me. This might mean he ditched his phone. So he was probably conscious that the phone could be tracked, even though he turned it off around the time and location of the murders. I'm glad he lacked the foresight to just leave it at home. MOO

Edit - it would be interesting to know if anyone noticed him having a new phone number following the murder.

 

[TooMuchGun]

IMO, OMG, the “thud” mentioned in the PCA was the HVAC system coming on that morning.

Very unlikely imo. Would u want ur HVAC making a loud thud that can be heard from 50ft away by a neighbors camera?

 

[Ghostwheel]

Maybe
The reason I keep harping on this is because it's huge! If true, then BK should just hang it up! BK just lost the case!
That's why I'm skeptical. Why would the prosecution's case be in the open like this???

I just checked my modem log, and you know what? It does show packets being sent out all day long to devices that are not mine. Kind of makes sense if someone has their wi-fi turned on and passes close enough. Unknown device sends out "any connections here?" And the router says "I'm here." and sends it to the modem. I've got no actual connections to anything other than my own devices (and my log tells me how long each was connected). But that wasn't my wi-fi router log it was my MODEM log logging what the wi-fi router sent it. Who knew?

I haven't checked to see if any devices that are not mine shows up multiple times yet. (We have a lot of walkers in our neighborhood)

My point is that if SG has access to a log that is similar at the King street house, it might show something similar, trackable by device on the cell ping dates. If he tells the world about it, I don't think LE can stop him without a gag order on him?

 Once again, my modem, my experience. The rest is MOO.

 

[Ccging]

On page 17 it only says the car drove past Kate's Cup of Joe..not that it was in the drive-thru. IMO the drive-thru statement came from somewhere else.
Affidavit

Here's the article:

Kohberger was allegedly in Clarkston hours after students were killed

CLARKSTON — The man accused of slaughtering four University of Idaho students was in Clarkston on the day of the murders, according to the affidavit released Thursday.

dnews.com

Sorry it was in the above article it came from an employee. I stand corrected.

 

[ktm44]

I recently saw an Ashley Banfield interview with SG wherein he said he asked and was assured nothing could have been done for the deceased even if 911 had been called right away. She was trying to get him to say he was upset by the delay in notifying LE and he wasn't biting.

This isn't proof all four were dead before the intruder departed. For all I know, it was something somebody made up in an attempt to ease the mind of a grieving father, or to deflect potential criticism of the surviving witness.

But that's what SG said on the matter. I wouldn't think somebody in the investigation would actually assume a victim couldn't be saved unless s/he was already dead.

The medical examiner would know how quickly they died and they don’t lie to victims families to make them feel better.

So many people don’t realize just how large that knife is. The blade of that particular knife is 7” long.

 

[10ofRods]

The medical examiner would know how quickly they died and they don’t lie to victims families to make them feel better.

So many people don’t realize just how large that knife is. The blade of that particular knife is 7” long.

We have yet to hear from any medical examiner, sadly.

We have had different estimates and revisions from the Coroner, who did not attend at the autopsies, IMO.

The autopsies were redacted from the PCA, IMO.

 

[acutename]

Maybe
The reason I keep harping on this is because it's huge! If true, then BK should just hang it up! BK just lost the case!
That's why I'm skeptical. Why would the prosecution's case be in the open like this???

maybe he was on their social media while they were posting to it...do we know if he ever posted to their SM? And curious if the 12 visits correspond to anything- Fri nights? something KG or MM posted? any pattern?

 

[jepop]

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I agree with you, but the PCA does specifically say that the phone "hasn't connected to any towers that provide service to Moscow since [Nov. 14th]."

Yes, I thought that was very pertinent that that information was included in the PCA when I first read it. I'd forgotten. Thank you for the reminder. I think as far as probable cause goes, LE are saying this goes toward demonstrating that BK had no reason to be in/near Moscow post Nov 13 because the intended victim/s were deceased and perhaps suggesting attempt by BK to evade future LE close scrutiny should his movements ever be questioned. I can see how the before (multiple times) and after (1 time) could be used to imply guilt. MOO

ETA: oh, also puts into question reasons BK may give for being in the area many times prior to Nov 13, ie 'shopping is good', but then he didn't once see the need to shop in Moscow area between Nov 14 and mid December when he left for PA? Unless he says he had his phone turned off everytime he entered Moscow after Nov 13, but ofcouse LE have full access to all his pings. If he did switch off every time he went to Moscow post murders that in itself might imply guilt too MOO.