ID - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered - Bryan Kohberger Arrested - Moscow # 65

[drmrgrl]

Me too. And of course, many of us are asking: WHY?

I see generational markers (of a sort) for this (as compared, say to Ted Bundy). What makes a Kohberger (assuming he's done what many of us believe he's done)? What makes a Bundy? What makes a Joe DeAngelo?

Lots of people had awful childhoods (killed no one). Some people have VSS (killed no one). Some people are schizophrenic (killed no one).

Lots of people have life stress (kill no one).

And when people do kill others who are close to them, we can kind of understand that familial stress added up and one person broke.

Why does someone go find and kill four innocent people they don't know?

Total mystery still.

IMO, there’s more to the story. Think of personal reasons: money, love, greed, sex, jealousy, broken heart etc. It’s been said all along that the killing was personal and that the killer was someone who was really angry. I’m guessing that the killer was pissed at X, killed E, K and M out of spite. I also think that BK knew X and possibly her sis. It was no coincidence that he ended up at WSU where Xs sis just happens to attend? I think BK may have had a previous online “ relationship”, “infatuation” with X - and she broke it off having been influenced and motivated by M and K because it was likely an unhealthy relationship. X found E and was happy with him and BK held a grudge. I get the impression that BK might be an uptight, controlling guy. He moved to Pullman and started keeping tabs on X. That’s the only thing that I can think of. I also think that X may have known BK for a long time before the killings. Just JMO. I don’t see any other connection. The medias obsession with K and M was stoked to direct the onus of the investigation away from the true targets X and E, while LE diligently tried to figure out their somewhat unknown timeline of Nov 12th. From BKs perspective, he probably felt like he was “ ganged up on” and given no choice about the break up. This had to sting especially if this was the only and/or first time that BK fell anything like love.

 

[Which_pancake]

No worries, It is possible he ditched the phone I guess (after Nov 14th). From memory (so could definately be wrong! not checking right now) the PCA doesn't mention anymore about pings and so forth between that date and his imminent arrest (other than there are no pings in Moscow area after November 14). I just kinda think, it's unlikely, the reason is relevance to establishing probable cause. But see your point and it's a good one IMO.

I wonder if he could have ditched the phone, but not cancelled the plan. So he still had the number but not the phone. I guess it depends on if they mean it didn't ping anywhere at all after the 14th, or just didn't ping in Moscow. I was thinking maybe their statement that it pinged once on the 14th Moscow but they didn't believe he was there, could mean he ditched it there somewhere and it pinged until the battery died? But I don't know enough about cell phone pings to know if that 'false ping' is a problem or not. MOO

 

[Boxer]

Not necessarily. The Albertsons trip was after the murders. I’m confident they know by now what he purchased. That info is icing on the cake for a trial if needed. Wasn’t needed for pca. Moo

MOO he couldn’t go to fast food like other killers, maybe had to go get making for a vegan sandwich.

 

[Wishbone]

IMO, because BKs beef was with Ethan.

That's an interesting thought. Care to elaborate?

 

[jepop]

For certain? They tracked the number to the “present.” But it doesn’t say they did observe him pinging anywhere. Maybe where he pinged subsequently just wasn’t revealing for PCA info purposes. They omit any reference to post Nov 14, as far as I can tell.

(BTW, I’m not suggesting that he did ditch his murder-night phone and number, but perhaps it’s a possibility, which would be interesting.)

And I have no idea what a Pen report is.

Yeah, I'm not sure. The 'present time' in context seems to be Dec 23rd IMO- warrant for historical data June to present time, warrant for track/trace from Dec 23rd so LE don't need historical data after 23 December cos they are tracing. There is no mention of pings after Nov 14th in the PCA. My guess is due to relevance to PCA. Threads ago I tried to find answers re what a Pen Report is as Wiki didn't do it for me. I didn't find any! I understand track and trace better. IMO LE were tracking the number from Dec 23rd but no mention of anything that came from that. The real interest was the historical data in terms of probable cause IMO. So technically, it is possible he ditched the phone, But MOO - seems unlikely.

 

[layer]

Right. If he/Kaylee or even Maddy etc. owned the modem, then it's entirely possible. If the landlord owned the modem, then likely not. However, it's not unusual to "bring your own modem". However, it's not unusual for the landlord to supply the wifi as part of the rent.

It doesn't make sense that SG would have been allowed into the crime scene to get/access the modem or router.

 

[layer]

I just checked my modem log, and you know what? It does show packets being sent out all day long to devices that are not mine. Kind of makes sense if someone has their wi-fi turned on and passes close enough. Unknown device sends out "any connections here?" And the router says "I'm here." and sends it to the modem. I've got no actual connections to anything other than my own devices (and my log tells me how long each was connected). But that wasn't my wi-fi router log it was my MODEM log logging what the wi-fi router sent it. Who knew?

I haven't checked to see if any devices that are not mine shows up multiple times yet. (We have a lot of walkers in our neighborhood)

My point is that if SG has access to a log that is similar at the King street house, it might show something similar, trackable by device on the cell ping dates. If he tells the world about it, I don't think LE can stop him without a gag order on him?

 Once again, my modem, my experience. The rest is MOO.

How is it identifying these devices? IP? MAC address?

 

[NCgardener]

But a router is not a computer. My 4 year old computer has a 2TB hard drive. That's 2 million MB of storage. An old DVD can store 4,700 MB of data.

The average router has just 16 MB of storage, and much of that is already tied up. There just is no place to store all this theoretical data for the FBI to theoretically retrieve.

I'm assuming the last sentence is your opinion, because my opinion is that there's probably room for a certain period of time/usage. There may even be a small tech log; I don't know, but I know it's reasonable that there could be.

 

[ktm44]

It does make sense that SG would have been allowed into the crime scene to get/access the modem or router.

Not really. It makes more sense to ask him for the password, if it was something he knew.

 

[Friday Fan]

It doesn't make sense that SG would have been allowed into the crime scene to get/access the modem or router.

Could he access it remotely? I know to access mine, I put an IP address in the browser and then enter a password

 

[10ofRods]

I'd like to see you cite your source for Pegasus. The FBI has strongly denied using what I believe to be an Israeli spy program. JMO

The UK's Guardian. Usually pretty accurate:

FBI confirms it obtained NSO’s Pegasus spyware

Bureau says sophisticated hacking tool was never used in support of any investigation

www.theguardian.com

FBI admits they basically bought it so they could clone/copy/reverse engineer it.

IMO.

 

[layer]

I'm assuming the last sentence is your opinion, because my opinion is that there's probably room for a certain period of time/usage. There may even be a small tech log; I don't know, but I know it's reasonable that there could be.

Time will tell.

 

[Palinsmom]

It should be any functioning tower. Packets emitting from a device are anonymous until they hit a receiver (any tower). If it's your carrier, it allows your cellular activity to go onward; if not, not. But no carrier can know whether the end user is "theirs" without at least letting the device owner contact the tower.

All of your emissions from your phone go in every direction - the emissions have no way of knowing where they are going and they radiate outward from you to every tower (pings) whether it's "your tower" or not. Then, if it is your carrier's tower or one connected to your carrier (some antennae connect for more than one carrier) it passes your emission on to where ever you want it to go (hopefully). When I am in Yosemite, I take two devices, one Verizon and one ATT. Sometimes one has coverage and the other doesn't. But both devices are pinging off the available towers; each able to complete the handshake with its own carrier. "Pings" are just like knocking on the door; it hasn't been opened yet.

Much more can be known from GPS (often).

They *can" triangulate from only two towers although that's not optimal. One tower hit (no triangulation) still puts a person in the general radius of the one tower (which is a known quantity - each cell tower's coverage is known and recorded in real time, as I understand it).

And it is my understand that yes, each tower can assess the vector and relative strength (closeness) of a mobile device. Not sure how it's done or how accurate (maybe not a pinpoint).

Correct me if I’m wrong. When I read your post about the 2 tower connection I suddenly visualized a Venn diagram with the location/connection being in the center overlap.

Does that make sense? Or am I way off base with this thinking?

 

[jepop]

I wonder if he could have ditched the phone, but not cancelled the plan. So he still had the number but not the phone. I guess it depends on if they mean it didn't ping anywhere at all after the 14th, or just didn't ping in Moscow. I was thinking maybe their statement that it pinged once on the 14th Moscow but they didn't believe he was there, could mean he ditched it there somewhere and it pinged until the battery died? But I don't know enough about cell phone pings to know if that 'false ping' is a problem or not. MOO

I don't know enough either. He may have ditched the phone and kept the account open. Maybe LE included nothing from the trace for that reason, and that is why there were no historical pings after Nov 14th in PCA. Just in terms of getting an arrest warrant, LE may have deemed what he did after Nov 14th ie going to WSU and any normal routines irrelevent. If the trace allowed them to track him to PA in mid December that too may have been excluded as irrelevant to the arrest warrant. LE could not, to my mind, claim he was 'fleeing' the crime scene. Thinking aloud MOO

ETA; the track/trace wouldn't allow LE to track him in real time to PA as it wasn't on the number until DEC 23rd so scrub that. Likewise, historical pings for Dec 13-15 were not received by LE until Dec 23rd so LE would know at that point whether his phone had pinged on the way to PA in mid December, MOO. Complicated IMO. My head hurts,not MOO, fact....

 

[NCgardener]

You are misusing and misunderstanding the DSM.

You'll have to explain what you mean. I'm referring to people discussing bodies of research. I know exactly what the DSM was designed for. That was the least I could take away from that pricey degree, lol! I hope a little bit more, even

 

[10ofRods]

Correct me if I’m wrong. When I read your post about the 2 tower connection I suddenly visualized a Venn diagram with the location/connection being in the center overlap.

Does that make sense? Or am I way off base with this thinking?

No, that's how I picture it too. And it makes sense, as well, because the various packets/signals are in fact radiating from the center of a big circle.

I am hopeful the GPS data will be much clearer to a jury.

 

[Auntie Cipation]

Correct me if I’m wrong. When I read your post about the 2 tower connection I suddenly visualized a Venn diagram with the location/connection being in the center overlap.

Does that make sense? Or am I way off base with this thinking?

I was thinking it narrowed down to one of the two places where the circles cross. With three towers it can hone to just one spot (within whatever its margin of error is).

I could be way wrong though.

ETA: Now that I am drawing out what I described above, I think I'm way wrong.

 

[drmrgrl]

No evidence. The Twitch shows K&M paying for their own food at the truck. X had DoorDash delivered at 4a.m.; the truck isn't open at that time. D's comments in the affidavit don't mention food. B's activities that night aren't mentioned in the affidavit.

IMO, wasn’t there a sighting of a white Elantra that parked near the Grub Truck and than completed a three point turn and turned around and exited the area?

 

[Deleted member 718]

For certain? They tracked the number to the “present.” But it doesn’t say they did observe him pinging anywhere. Maybe where he pinged subsequently just wasn’t revealing for PCA info purposes. They omit any reference to post Nov 14, as far as I can tell.

(BTW, I’m not suggesting that he did ditch his murder-night phone and number, but perhaps it’s a possibility, which would be interesting.)

And I have no idea what a Pen report is.

It could be, since he wasn't pinging in Moscow after Nov 14, that any ensuing cell data is detailed in the sealed Washington CO warrants.

 

[drmrgrl]

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It is all drive through.... maybe he was using it as a U turn

IMO,or a three point turn?