ID - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered - Bryan Kohberger Arrested - Moscow # 65

[TL4S]

Correct me if I’m wrong. When I read your post about the 2 tower connection I suddenly visualized a Venn diagram with the location/connection being in the center overlap.

Does that make sense? Or am I way off base with this thinking?

It does work this way. Here's a good article with diagrams that I find very helpful.

Cell Tower Triangulation – How it Works

 

[jepop]

Could he have entered the house twice that night?

While everyone was asleep. 3 o'clock hour. On foot. Reached his target, was confronted in some capacity by K, commit murders 1 and 2 without notice from the floors below and exited. Had his car parked at a distance. At which point he realized he'd left the sheath behind.

Hence the circling, risking re-entry. And it was his search for the sheath that Murphy, DM and X heard, ending in two additional murders.

Might account for the lost minutes.

JMO

That was my first theory to potentially explain the erratic drive bys between 3.29 and 4.04. Haven't quite put it to bed yet... it is stewing away but I think the timing is too tight to allow for a first, unoticed, entry between say 3.05am at the earliest and 3.15 at the latest)(as BK is still in Pullman at 2.53 am as per PCA). . If you are interested from threads ago...

ID - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered - Bryan Kohberger Arrested - Moscow # 56

Body/Survivor position during murders - please let me know if this needs to be updated. These are not my floorplans, previously posted with link a month ago.

www.websleuths.com

And just to specify, according to this theory, BK could not find the sheath in the panic of the X and E encounter so left without it. Speculation pure and simple, based off information in the PCA. MOO

 

[seasideForest]

I recently watched a documentary series on Netflix about stalkers. Some admit they realize now they were wrong, but still, even while in prison being interviewed don’t consider what they did was wrong and are in denial about the fact that there never was a relationship.

My opinion only/speculation, we are guessing right now until we have more details: I think that possibly if any one of the victims made eye contact with BK or was simply nice to him, if his mindset was anything like other stalkers he could have perceived that brief encounter as permission for a relationship. Reality of course would be that there never was a relationship or the victims even not being aware that their kindness was being warped in his mind. When he isn’t acknowledged ( because the victim has no idea that BK thinks there is a relationship) he becomes increasingly angry……

All speculation/opinion

This is just my experience, not Netflix, but in agreement with what you saw/heard there.

MOO
I had a stalker a good few years back who was convinced we were in a relationship and I didn't know him from Adam! Somehow he'd found my street address ( I didn't even have an Internet connection or email at that point). I found out later that he'd approached my landlord, who had a shop in the building, professing his supposed love (argh, gag, choke). Fortunately LL didn't let him in. I went to the police and was spied on by perp - he dropped a note in my letter box querying my decision to go to police - I had walked over rather than phoning. His weird notes escalated and got stranger and eventually he was charged with something minor and given a restraining order. He got a lawyer to fight that, claiming we were in a relationship. Through some channels and extreme luck, I found some pro bono group of idk exactly lawyers and advisers for people subjected to violence (the stalking was called 'psychological violence' so that perp could be charged) who got in touch with perp's lawyer who in turn persuaded perp to accept the restraining order and drop the case. Otherwise I would have had to face perp in court. I didn't have a lawyer, couldn't afford one. So I was very very relieved that this pro bono group managed to call the whole court case off at the 11th hour so to speak. Fortunately the perp actually stuck to the restraining order, I've never heard from him again.

But the whole thing was totally crazy. He professed his love for me (gag and choke) but at the same time threw a video cassette in my letter box claiming I'd been a star in po rn movies actually on that cassette and back in the Third Reich (I'm not German but I live in Germany) people like me with those kinds of immoral habits were ... I can't remember now if he wrote "were exterminated" or just "were put in concentration camps" but it did sound threatening. His tone was definitely not against extermination and concentration camps. German society has come a long, long way from their Nazi past - that isn't standard German conversation and behaviour at all. MOO. (Been here over 25 years and within that time German society has evolved, healing further from their Nazi past, taking more responsibility for it, more able to talk about it objectively and condemning it too. Certainly not extolling it's 'virtues'. Of course there are Neo Nazis here, but not the majority at all.) It was probably at that juncture that the police officer assigned to my case said "That's enough! You don't have to put up with this, we're imposing a restraining order on him." MOO JMO

Everything you write is covered in my case, I think, even if my summary doesn't spell it out.

 

[drmrgrl]

Something I’m curious about - and I apologize if this has already been discussed as I haven’t been able to keep up - threads are flying - but the PCA mentioned another security cam picking up a whimper or a cry and then a loud thud. I can’t see penetrating someone with a knife resulting in a loud thud, but none of the victims had blunt force trauma - that we’ve heard of, anyways. Thoughts on the loud thud?

IMO, the HVAC kicking in.

 

[Elley Mae]

RSBM for focus
Also respectfully: has there been information I've missed that leads you to suppose this very strongly? Or is it just a theory you're throwing out there?

I'm just asking because in at least one of the early interviews with X's dad, he mentions she'd never had a boyfriend till E. She'd been so studious till then, didn't have time for a bf and then suddenly she had E and how that all changed her etc. Of course parents don't know everything about even their teens never mind their young adult kids who are living at college, so there could have been little things going on - flings and non-serious relationships her family never heard of.

I can't find the interview so far today so I'll just write MOO JMO.

Edited for typo.

This it?

…

He described Xana as responsible and unworried about drama or material things. She and Chapin had been in a relationship for about a year, he said.

University of Idaho victim's father says Xana Kernodle had 'bruises,' put up a fight against killer

University of Idaho murder victim Xana Kernodle's father said the 20-year-old had 'bruises' and was 'torn by the knife' while putting up an apparent fight with her attacker.

www.foxnews.com

"[W]hen I went up there she, I saw her just a week before that and she changed a lot," Kernodle told the outlet. "She had a life. She got to see what it was like to have a boyfriend you live with. And she really turned around. She was really responsible. Helping him out with his studies and stuff. I was really impressed,"

 

[drmrgrl]

I'll check out that link. They buy cleaning supplies and apparently go to eat! That was discussed many threads back I remember... to check restaurant/drive thru, food/gas station videos as killers seem exhausted and hungry after!

I don't think LE has confirmed BK stopped for food (I'm tired and can't remember) but he did go to that grocer. Curious what he did buy.

IMO, he shops there for their Vegan groceries

 

[drmrgrl]

IMO - as you mentioned above, I believe BK initially met M and X at the Mad Greek in June or July of 2022 after he moved to attend WSU. He more than likely Googled “Vegan Restaurants in Moscow, ID“ and the Mad Greek popped right up with good ratings. He probably ate there a few times and took a liking to M or X or both. BK then started doing some “social media research“ on them and quickly found out where they lived and also learned of their other roommates in the process.

He may have been “rejected” by one or both of the girls (as you also mentioned above) and started stalking them. He became obsessed and would drive by the house to try to see when they were home and get a feel for their “comings and goings“. This lead to him finally deciding to “experience“ what he had been studying and researching for all those months prior. BK left his apartment in Pullman, turned off his phone and was “committed“ to doing the crime in those early morning hours of 11/13. JMO.

IMO, that sounds very matter of fact. Maybe that’s why I don’t understand BKs motive.

 

[drmrgrl]

RSBM for focus
Also respectfully: has there been information I've missed that leads you to suppose this very strongly? Or is it just a theory you're throwing out there?

I'm just asking because in at least one of the early interviews with X's dad, he mentions she'd never had a boyfriend till E. She'd been so studious till then, didn't have time for a bf and then suddenly she had E and how that all changed her etc. Of course parents don't know everything about even their teens never mind their young adult kids who are living at college, so there could have been little things going on - flings and non-serious relationships her family never heard of.

I can't find the interview so far today so I'll just write MOO JMO.

Edited for typo.

IMO, just throwing out theories because I don’t understand BKs motive.

 

[Dotta]

IMO, just throwing out theories because I don’t understand BKs motive.

Every criminal has his/her own twisted motive justifying the crime in their warped minds.

Motives usually incomprehensible for good folks.

I do not think most of us can really understand evil minds.
I don't even try.

JMO

 

[Helechawagirl]

Oh it’s just because I’m a visual learner, I remember stuff like that, I guess. Plus he kind of stands out.

If a man was buying cleaning supplies, they’d remember. Might have just been grabbing a snack. JMO

 

[CityKid]

IMO IDK, it’s no coincidence that he teaches at Xs sis school. Also, early in the investigation, it was mentioned that Ethan had ‘words” with someone at the frat party and that E and X left the party early and to a bar or went home. BK would be the perfect person to say the wrong thing to X and E would be ever the protector. Maybe BK is an ex and X left him for E. JMO

Do you have a source for words at the frat party?

 

[drmrgrl]

IMO, I just thought of something else. It has been mentioned in past threads that BK had past addiction issues. Could someone in that King Rd. Neighborhood have been holding NA meetings and that’s why BKs phone had been pinging in that neighborhood so much before the murders? Just a thought IMO MOO

 

[CityKid]

Something I’m curious about - and I apologize if this has already been discussed as I haven’t been able to keep up - threads are flying - but the PCA mentioned another security cam picking up a whimper or a cry and then a loud thud. I can’t see penetrating someone with a knife resulting in a loud thud, but none of the victims had blunt force trauma - that we’ve heard of, anyways. Thoughts on the loud thud?

I believe it was outside the house. Survivor DM mentions hearing other sounds but not a thud, per the affidavit, so I'm not convinced this sound was inside the house. MOO

 

[CityKid]

What if Xana didn't order her Door Dash? What if BCK did? 2:45 is the latest a DD order can be placed with delivery around 4:00 AM. BCK phone is on at 2:43 and turned off at 2:47. He circles the house three times and on the fourth he spots DD arriving, so he sneaks into the house while Xana is distracted by a Jack in the Box order she didn't place arriving at the north door. MOO https://www.doordash.com/food-delivery/pullman-wa-restaurants/

So you think he set up a DD account with his address, payment method etc. and had food delivered to someone else's house at 4 a.m.? I doubt that happened but it would be really awesome evidence if it did!

 

[TL4S]

Something I’m curious about - and I apologize if this has already been discussed as I haven’t been able to keep up - threads are flying - but the PCA mentioned another security cam picking up a whimper or a cry and then a loud thud. I can’t see penetrating someone with a knife resulting in a loud thud, but none of the victims had blunt force trauma - that we’ve heard of, anyways. Thoughts on the loud thud?

There have been a lot of good suggestions for this loud thud. Imo, if LE did not equate the thud to the crime, I do not think it would have been included in the arrest PCA. The paragraph about this thud was placed right in the middle of DM's account of hearing crying and talking in X's room, and then her seeing the man in black walking towards the exit. I feel like that paragraph placement was not haphazard. If LE thought the thud was the sliding door, or the killer slamming the trunk or car door, or some other random neighborhood sound, why not put it after the paragraph about DM seeing the man in black walking toward the exit? Then it would support him leaving the house at 4:17 and driving off at 4:20, as seen on camera.

Instead, as the PCA is written, we have DM hearing crying and talking. We have camera audio, specified as less than 50 feet from X's wall, pick up whimpering or voices. We have a loud thud, then DM sees the man walking towards the exit. Imo, it seems the PCA is laying out the timeline of events from when DM woke up to when the car was seen leaving the scene.

Just because the PCA does not include anything about DM hearing a thud or barking doesn't necessarily mean she didn't report those things. Maybe the camera picking that up was more reliable info to add to the PCA because it had the specific 4:17 time stamp, which DM likely couldn't relay. Idk...

 

[Dotta]

"Experts discussed damning evidence posted to social media by the suspect of the Idaho murders."
.....
"The word ‘goal’ stands out for me, too. ‘How did you achieve your goal?’ I have goals, we all have goals, they’re positive things, they’re not crimes, for the most part," she said. "So the fact that he is talking to criminals about their crimes, and describing them as goals, definitely struck me as odd, and that the person who’s writing that question finds crime to be something to aspire to."

Idaho murder suspect Bryan Kohberger's 'sick social experiment' examined by experts: 'Mind-blowing'

Dr. Phil and a panel of experts ranging from an attorney to a former FBI special agent theorized about the grim evidence presented against the suspect of the Idaho murders.

www.foxnews.com

 

[Followfacts]

What was going on with BK from 1:04 pm to 5:30pm 11/13/22 and then We know per PCA phone turned off 5:30-8:30pm. Any ideas where he was and what he was doing after Albertsons, Kate’s cup of Joe area? Did he go off by the River, park and take a nap? Wake up turn off his phone to get rid of evidence? There’s a couple scrap metal (knife Stainless Steel) recycling businesses in Clarkston, WA and across river in What was going on with BK from 1:04 pm to 5:30pm 11/13/22 and then We know per AA phone turned off 5:30-8:30. Any ideas where he was and what he was doing after Albertsons, Kate’s cup of Joe area? Did he go off by the River, park and take a nap? Wake up turn off his phone to get rid of evidence? From Clarkston, WA. cross Memorial Bridge and there is a couple scrap metal recycling businesses Pacific Steel and Recycling and Sutton Salvage and Valley Waste Disposal Landfill all in Lewiston, ID.

 

[Nila Aella]

Re: BKs phone not connecting to towers in Moscow after Nov 14.

We do not know what he was doing after Nov 14th. Fall recess was only 1 week later. Many people left the area. People were probably avoiding the area. The AA did not say what he was doing, just that he didn't go to Moscow with his phone IMO. Part of that time he was on a cross country driving trip back home. JMO

https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/23564673/122922-affidavit-exhibit-a-statement-of-brett-payne_redacted.pdf

 

[Nila Aella]

There have been a lot of good suggestions for this loud thud. Imo, if LE did not equate the thud to the crime, I do not think it would have been included in the arrest PCA. The paragraph about this thud was placed right in the middle of DM's account of hearing crying and talking in X's room, and then her seeing the man in black walking towards the exit. I feel like that paragraph placement was not haphazard. If LE thought the thud was the sliding door, or the killer slamming the trunk or car door, or some other random neighborhood sound, why not put it after the paragraph about DM seeing the man in black walking toward the exit? Then it would support him leaving the house at 4:17 and driving off at 4:20, as seen on camera.

Instead, as the PCA is written, we have DM hearing crying and talking. We have camera audio, specified as less than 50 feet from X's wall, pick up whimpering or voices. We have a loud thud, then DM sees the man walking towards the exit. Imo, it seems the PCA is laying out the timeline of events from when DM woke up to when the car was seen leaving the scene.

Just because the PCA does not include anything about DM hearing a thud or barking doesn't necessarily mean she didn't report those things. Maybe the camera picking that up was more reliable info to add to the PCA because it had the specific 4:17 time stamp, which DM likely couldn't relay. Idk...

I agree with this! The only other possibility is that something was happening outside while he was inside. IMO

 

[GRT]

You are misusing and misunderstanding the DSM.

What is a better way to use and understand it?