ID - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered - Bryan Kohberger Arrested - Moscow # 65

[pittsburghgirl]

Unless letting people know there was someone else involved and they're investigating to try to reel them in would cause the investigation to crumble and/or put more people in danger.

BK used his own car. The roommate only saw one intruder. I think this is a non-starter. My opinion, of course.

 

[10ofRods]

Imo death penalty could be taken off the table if full confession and enough provided by BK to satisfy family. This has greater chance if dna, or blood of any of the victims was obtained in BK car as that would be hard to explain away.

I believe the Idaho prosecutor has said they take the victims' families ideas into account, but I don't know what they do if some of the family members want DP and others do not. At any rate, he can't just take the DP off the table when the State's preference is to go with what families want, as SG has already made it abundantly clear he wants the DP on the table.

I do wonder if SG could be persuaded by the "full confession" thing (I'm not sure I trust BK to do that truthfully). I still feel that the amount of evidence they have against BK is a huge landslide. Before any such plea bargain could occur, the families will want full accounting of the known evidence.

Anyway, the DP cannot be taken off the table without consultation with the families. It's not up to him nor merely up to the lawyers, either. That's my understanding.

 

[10ofRods]

The recent Pike County murder trial made much of a receipt for shoes bought at Walmart and worn at the murder scene.

I trust that BK did not plan far out enough. Someone has seen him wear Van's and even better if there's a receipt. Even better if there was a shoebox in his bedroom back at his parents' house, which was searched the night and following day of his arrest.

 

[newredtabby]

A grad program that allowed a cut and paste master's level survey would certainly not be the strongest.

Prof B said his survey was "typical." but some of us noted some odd things about it.

There are some former prisoners on reddit, but not sure BK knew how to go about finding them. At any rate, he starts his survey too late, doesn't complete it, etc. Prof then excuses him from having to have his own data (!) and helps him write a "narrative" instead, so he can go on to a doctoral program. I'd love to see that Master's thesis.

Do you have a link for BK's professor excusing him from having to have his own data and helping him write his narrative?

 

[Palinsmom]

I have ZERO experience or knowledge about the legal system. Thankfully, I haven’t needed to know.

But I have to ask, because I have seen this word multiple times:

Is BOILERPLATE a made-up word used to ‘fluff’ legal documents?

I really have no idea what it means. Any experts here who can share… but in basic language. Thank you

 

[Twistinginthewind]

Idaho murders: Bryan Kohberger search warrants sealed to prevent 'serious and imminent threat,' court docs

"A Whitman County judge sealed the files after prosecutors argued that "premature public disclosure" could threaten law enforcement, the integrity of the investigation and public safety. He ordered a two-month seal but left open the option to make them public sooner if appropriate."

IMO, the 2 search warrants for BK in Washington being sealed for 60 days for the reasons given may be entirely valid IF (MOO):

• The "scope" of BK's researching, planning, stalking, studying, spying, and finding personal info on vulnerable people he could manipulate, frame, spoof, doxx, commit crimes on, etc. in the area/neighborhood reaches such an egregious, extreme, shocking, unimaginable degree (beyond simple hacking) that he had to either have had access to non public records or his stalking/spying revealed some info in that neighborhood that was obviously criminal = "data"
• Word got out about what data he had access to, and just how much he was able to do using said "data" since he moved there that he should not have had access to
• There could be major consequences (due to public outrage/legal ramifications) that could needlessly interfere with the progress of the investigation of the 4 murders that can be addressed on the "back end"/is now "water under the bridge"
• LE and the Prosecutor have decided the public interest will be better served in 2 month's time when the search warrants can be unsealed at the end of the timeframe of LE's investigation/when they've completed their work and solidified the case against BK for trial

JMOO

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

What difference would it make?

Snipped for focus. It would speak to motive. Thus far, we can't find any connection between him and the victims. Maybe LE knows and it just hasn't been revealed. But if he was searching for someone else in that house (unlikely as it may be), it may shed light on motive. JMO.

 

[Stephen2022]

I believe the Idaho prosecutor has said they take the victims' families ideas into account, but I don't know what they do if some of the family members want DP and others do not. At any rate, he can't just take the DP off the table when the State's preference is to go with what families want, as SG has already made it abundantly clear he wants the DP on the table.

I do wonder if SG could be persuaded by the "full confession" thing (I'm not sure I trust BK to do that truthfully). I still feel that the amount of evidence they have against BK is a huge landslide. Before any such plea bargain could occur, the families will want full accounting of the known evidence.

Anyway, the DP cannot be taken off the table without consultation with the families. It's not up to him nor merely up to the lawyers, either. That's my understanding.

Agree, but only way families may get the answers is confessipn as BK probably won't take stand so motive may never be known. Howver even if confession he may not tell the truth anyway. So risk either way

 

[pittsburghgirl]

Can you dig up the citation for Ramsland's comments, too, please? I've been convinced or a long time that this survey was meant for his dissertation... and that BCK planned to answer his own survey as the Idaho co-ed killer which would create a sensation in the criminology/criminal justice/forensic psychology community. Of course, this wouldn't be nearly so effective if he got caught, but imagine if his identity remained unknown. As a survey respondent he'd have all the answers to those crime details that no one but LE would know, and as Bryan Kohberger he'd have a connection with the co-ed killer (himself) similar to Ramsland and Dennis Rader. BCK's reputation would be established before he dotted the final "i" and crossed the final "t" on his dissertation. MOO

BK was nowhere near the dissertation stage of the Ph.D. Maybe he had some sort of IDEA of using such a survey, but that would have to be approved by a committee of people willing to put their names on his Ph.D. work. I'm not a sociologist, but it would seem to me that data from a Reddit survey would not be acceptable to most committees. Consider too that there would be no guarantee that any answer to such a Reddit survey would be from an actual criminal. One of the toughest aspects of getting a Ph.D. is working with a committee that can utterly sink a proposal.

 

[Auntie Cipation]

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What was BK doing over on the 700 block of Indian Hills Drive at 3:26 a.m? It looks like a residential neighborhood.

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I just took a little google maps drive along Indian Hills Road.

The 700 block has a nice overlook view to the south, over an airport and open fields.

I can picture BK driving out there to have a psychological "moment" -- either to work up courage, or to try to talk himself out of it. Or even just to pass time if he arrived in town earlier than his schedule said to go to King Rd.

It may have zero to do with what is there in terms of people or houses, just a quiet spot for reflection.

Entirely speculation and MOO

 

[Dotta]

If guilty...

Can you imagine what might happen if he hasn't been caught???

Triumphant, emoldened - maybe playing games with Police?

And as Phd in criminology, he could even find employment in LE some day

And all the time honing his murderous skills

Thank you Moscow PD and others for your efforts!

JMO

 

[pittsburghgirl]

I trust that BK did not plan far out enough. Someone has seen him wear Van's and even better if there's a receipt. Even better if there was a shoebox in his bedroom back at his parents' house, which was searched the night and following day of his arrest.

Or a photo of him wearing Vans.

 

[wary]

I have ZERO experience or knowledge about the legal system. Thankfully, I haven’t needed to know.

But I have to ask, because I have seen this word multiple times:

Is BOILERPLATE a made-up word used to ‘fluff’ legal documents?

I really have no idea what it means. Any experts here who can share… but in basic language. Thank you

Think of ‘boilerplate’ as a form letter. It’s pre-prepared, not designed for a specific situation. All you do is fill in the names and the dates. It’s not specific to legal situations, even.

The word itself refers to the days of metal typesetting.

 

[10ofRods]

Do you have a link for BK's professor excusing him from having to have his own data and helping him write his narrative?

<modsnip> I have my own notes. Prof's name is Prof. Michelle Bolger. Articles were in DM, NYPost and, I believe CNN.

Verification process

How long does it take to be verified as an insider?

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(To see Trish's words on this matter).

Here's the quote, which I clipped:

//Bolger said, Bryan didn't even end up using any of the data he gleaned from the questionnaire, 'you aren't going to find it anywhere.'
Instead, she said, because he ran out of time, 'his graduate thesis was a narrative one based on the information.'//

My point is that he "ran out of time." Another example of not-so-great planning (that was basically covered up by a professor far too willing, IMO, to assist this "brilliant" but time management-challenged student. I do get why she did it though.

This comes from "In Cold, Cold Blood" by Howard Blum from AirMail news. Blum's info here comes from MPD Sgt. Shaine Gunderson who was highest ranking among the first three officers to enter the crime scene:

"It was a quick trip. The roads leading into the university neighborhood that Sunday were as empty as the classrooms. And as soon as Gunderson’s black-and-white cruiser pulled up behind the neat row of cars parked in the driveway of the austere cantilevered house on King Road, he immediately knew something was very wrong.'

"It was the noise: there wasn’t any. Just an eerie, unnatural silence. A cluster of young people, university students presumably, were milling outside the open front door of 1122 like gulls on a beach. And yet they were exceptionally quiet. They weren’t merely subdued. They seemed stunned, as if drained by a deep and intense shock. When the three mystified officers approached the front door, someone in the crowd, it would later be shared, muttered a single, plaintive word: 'Dead.'

"Still, Gunderson would confess to others, he was unprepared for the strong smell of blood that rose up in his nostrils the moment he walked inside."

This interview - firsthand, first on-site account, highly credentialed investigative journalist - flies in the face of all the reports that people were screaming, sobbing, running in terror, fainting. And it segues directly into Dylan's highly similar behavior. All of them were shocked, stunned, traumatized into absolute silence.

MOO

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Well, I haven't seen reports of "people were screaming, sobbing, running in terror." But two people have mentioned that one person fainted and that one person had a hard time communicating on the 911 call, which was then handled by more than one other person. I do agree the panic situation was likely exaggerated, but this report is the people milling about outside (some of whom have been interviewed by youtubers as well).

 

[10ofRods]

Or a photo of him wearing Vans.

Exactly. I hope there are dozens of such photos. And if not, people called to the stand to testify to his Vans-wearing. I don't know why I want that so badly, but I do.

 

[Imogenia]

When I mentioned my thoughts to Ramsland, though, she disagreed that people who knew Rader could have connected the dots. Why would they? To the contrary, one reason Ramsland believes that Rader was able to keep his cover was that 'he grew up in a Germanic Midwestern family where there was not a lot of emotion. Like my family.'"

I agree that it would have been impossible to connect the dots purely by observing BTK’s restrained demeanour.

Something strange could have been picked up, even if unconsciously, by perceptive people around him, though. Disturbing inklings of intuition may have crept repeatedly into thoughts, to be immediately brushed away as nonsense.

Further Evidence

I recall that he had ‘packages’ secreted throughout his home and garden, though, with horrible drawings and photographs, mementoes, and kits for killing.

Then there were the Barbie dolls, cereal boxes, notes left at scenes and sent to the press, with his idiosyncratic (bad) spelling and writing.

Then there was a frightening piece of writing he accidentally left out at home to be read.

Then there was the recording of his call about a murder in a telephone kiosk, played over the air in hopes of his voice being recognised.

I know that his wife did not suspect anything.

However, I think that the above would have been enough (were I his wife or nearby mother in law) to make me uneasy.

Action

I would have, with far less evidence, discreetly searched everywhere, including in his ‘strictly private cupboard’ and up the tree house, when he was out at work. I would have been telling myself that I was being silly and overreacting, but nonetheless I would search. There were the children to protect! A neighbour had been a victim! Why would he need a private cupboard anyway? He must be up to something!

When he was caught his unsuspecting mother in law could not believe it. However, her husband could immediately accept the truth, after checking that they had ‘the goods on the guy’. He had seen action in the forces and knew what humans could be capable of, whether high in the Church or not.

In fact, John Douglas, on learning BTK was Church President, said ‘Of course you are’.

 

[Palinsmom]

Think of ‘boilerplate’ as a form letter. It’s pre-prepared, not designed for a specific situation. All you do is fill in the names and the dates. It’s not specific to legal situations, even.

The word itself refers to the days of metal typesetting.

Thank you so very much. That I can relate. Not the same but represents the form used just as a 1040 EX is an IRS form.

Again, thank uou

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

Whenever I read someone saying this poor young man is the victim of a rush to judgement, I want to remind them the events leading to his arrest included hundreds of hours work by the most highly skilled members of law enforcement . He wasn't arrested on a whim. There was solid evidence saying he is the murderer. If he says he's not, a trial gives him a chance to be exonerated.

I agree with the decision to arrest him obviously. They had a lot of evidence. But innocent people are arrested sometimes due to evidence against them. So an arrest in and of itself doesn't mean people are wrong to be skeptical. I said from the beginning that I hope he's guilty because it'll be tough to walk back from this one and get justice for the victims if he's not.

MOO.

 

[CGray123]

I believe the Idaho prosecutor has said they take the victims' families ideas into account, but I don't know what they do if some of the family members want DP and others do not. At any rate, he can't just take the DP off the table when the State's preference is to go with what families want, as SG has already made it abundantly clear he wants the DP on the table.

I do wonder if SG could be persuaded by the "full confession" thing (I'm not sure I trust BK to do that truthfully). I still feel that the amount of evidence they have against BK is a huge landslide. Before any such plea bargain could occur, the families will want full accounting of the known evidence.

Anyway, the DP cannot be taken off the table without consultation with the families. It's not up to him nor merely up to the lawyers, either. That's my understanding.

The decision to seek the death penalty is solely in the DA's discretion, but victim rights statutes and some feckless prosecutors have blurred the lines for the public. Some DAs who want to appear "tough on crime" but hate to face the public controversies and/or the large costs to taxpayers like to make it appear that they are following the wishes of the victims' families for a decision they are supposed to be making in the interests of justice. We'll see how this DA plays it, and explains it. KG's family seems to be pressing for the DP, and the crime appears to be eligible, but there are more factors that should be considered by the DA than local politics. MOO.

 

[Auntie Cipation]

If guilty...

Can you imagine what might happen if he hasn't been caught???

Triumphant, emoldened - maybe playing games with Police?

And as Phd in criminology, he could even find employment in LE some day

And all the time honing his murderous skills

Thank you Moscow PD and others for your efforts!

And for six-ish weeks afterwards, including a few weeks in Pullman, then the drive home with dad, then Christmas with his family in PA, he thought he had gotten away with it. Wonder what was going through his mind all that time.