ID - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered - Bryan Kohberger Arrested - Moscow # 66

[jepop]

And by witness account he wore a mask that covered nose and mouth to avoid dna droplets from those areas

Yeah, that too

 

[wary]

According to the PCA he was not going at a great rate of speed towards the house at 3:45am. It just says the car was traveling westbound before it made a few passes past the King Road residence. The car was seen leaving at a high rate of speed at approximately 4:20am though. As for leaving at a high speed, IMO he was probably full of adrenaline and wasn't concerned about anything else at that particular moment.

Or possibly leaving at high speed because he’s afraid someone’s called 911? Even if he didn’t see D, he certainly didn’t sweep the rest of the house.

 

[newredtabby]

IMO, I think that someone being in the house on Nov12 is related to Xana needing to change or fix the lock on her door before the murders happened. It’s obvious that someone was breaking into the home on 1122 King Rd. Breaking and Entering. B and E.

Why is it obvious someone was breaking into the house?

 

[CSIDreamer]

IMO, BK is trying to catch someone??

Trying to catch who? JMHO

 

[Dotta]

So
4.04 still in a car
4.20 speeding away

It leaves approximately 10 mins in the house.

 

[CityKid]

IMO, I think that someone being in the house on Nov12 is related to Xana needing to change or fix the lock on her door before the murders happened. It’s obvious that someone was breaking into the home on 1122 King Rd. Breaking and Entering. B and E.

You're saying someone broke into the house during the overnight of November 11-12, Xana had the lock changed or fixed during the day of November 12, then went to Sigma Chi during the evening of November 12? I'm not understanding how any of this is obvious. Any source quoting X's father (not mother) regarding changing the locks? X's mother gave an interview saying she thought the father changed the locks the weekend before.

 

[jepop]

So
4.04 still in a car
4.20 speeding away

It leaves approximately 10 mins in the house.

That's right, IMO

ETA. the timing bothered me for a while, but since reading other's posts re the capabilities of the knife, in conjunction with the situational vulnerability of the victims, I've come to accept it is entirely possible sadly.

 

[Nila Aella]

Since they have a court order barring communication about this case, we have no clue if BK has an alibi or witnesses for his defense. All we have is this affidavit, which they presented to take him in without any questioning and before searching his home. Am I getting the timing right?

If there had been another person in the car and they both were involved, that’s interesting.

If there is an alibi (friend, romantic interest) and there’s no other DNA than the snap, that’s also interesting.

Our big assumption is that there is a lot more of BK’s DNA in that house.

Copied from the last thread. In checking my notes, I notice that on Dec 12th, Chief Fry was still asking for any info on the occupant, or occupants of the Hyundai, referring to them as a plural. There was lots of discussion about his word choices at the time. Not sure it means anything but, there it is. 0:26 at the video.

I noticed in the Dec 12 video posted by gliving, Capt L says "they" once and "them" two times after stating occupant or occupants. "They" can be used when a single gender is not known, but "them" is used for 2 or more individuals. Two or more? Or something said just to keep BK comfortable? JMO

Looks like the kind of area kids would park to make out—or do drugs. Remote residential area, no street lights on one side of the street, and a nice view at night. Maybe BK needed some chemical courage before the murders? JMO, but a drug such as meth would explain some of his erratic behavior while driving by 1122 several times then parking immediately before the murders. Might also explain his oversight in leaving the sheath behind at the scene and the savagery of the attack.

I am hoping that someone here at WS knows that neighborhood and can give us an idea what kind of neighborhood it is and what is out that way that would interest someone at 3:26 in the morning. It looks pretty nice when I scanned it, some apartments but mostly houses as far as I can tell. I also went further east to Mountain View Road to see what was there, a park and not much else but houses, but if you go North toward the highway - there are businesses a cemetery, and two parks. He might have just come down the highway and looped back? Too many possibilities, like every other fact in this case! Drugs are a definite possibility! JMO

700 Indian Hills Dr · 700 Indian Hills Dr, Moscow, ID 83843

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edit: fixed link to Indian hills drive

 

[BelleIsle]

So
4.04 still in a car
4.20 speeding away

It leaves approximately 10 mins in the house.

I guess we may eventually find out if he was driving the car. We know there is video of the car, but did they ever see exactly how many people are in it & who is driving (and when)?

 

[Yuletide]

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The defense will probably try to have us believe that the knife sheath, which is powerful evidence, was innocently left there during party attendance. Personally, I’m having none of it. I think police have their killer

 

[seasideForest]

"One thing that seems common, not just to Bundy and DeAngelo and Kohberger but to spectacle murderers like post-Columbine school shooters: they don't see the value of the lives of other people (and animals) beyond what those beings can do for them. That's how a Chris Watts can annihilate his whole family because he's infatuated with his mistress. The wife and kids are in the way. It's how Susan Smith can drown her kids for the same reason. The kids were fine when they gave them society's approval but not when they were in the way of some other desire. It's how Eric Harris can plot to kill hundreds of people because as he said in his journal he hated people and wanted to destroy the world. It's a kind of metastasized arrogance, a god complex if you will. They see themselves as entitled to decide who lives, who dies. While some of these people have rather mundane reasons for murder (a lover, an insurance payout) someone like Eric Harris or BK wants to experience "god-likeness." What does it feel like to take a life? To snuff out youth, beauty, safety, security, the future?
My opinion only."

Here I'm quoting @pittsburghgirl from the previous thread. It's not a direct response, but when I was reading the above I thought of what was said at the time about Thomas Hamilton, the killer in the Dunblane Massacre Scotland - 20 Year Anniversary of Dunblane tragedy memorial thread, 1996

'Somebody' was quoted in a local newspaper, very local to Dunblane, saying that a person like Hamilton when he discovers that he can't have children in this world, he decides to leave this world and take them with him into the next. The somebody was not just a random person on a street, that I do remember. Psychologist maybe? I still have newspaper cuttings on the Dunblane Massacre but idk where they are rn (OT but the rain came thru my bedroom ceiling on Sunday and things are a little chaotic round here). Anyway if I could find my cuttings, maybe I'd find the quote and could add it here. But I can't so just a large MOO. This "can't have them in this world, so take into the next" is the god complex mentioned above imo. So could be similar with Kohberger - couldn't have those frat girls, or those young people he saw as having something he didn't or whatever exactly was going on in his mind, so he decided to snuff out their lives. The difference being he sent them into the next world, he didn't take them with him on his way out since he's still alive.

Part of my family originally comes from Dunblane which is why I still have newspaper cuttings and remember so vividly what was reported.

 

[jepop]

Or maybe he was waiting on the DD delivery. Do we know for sure that Xana ordered DD? Or if it was actually handed to her? Just pondering and MOO.

IIRC, the PCA says that X ordered the Door Dash, or strongly implies such. I'm 99% certain that she ordered it. I'm 1% certain that EC ordered it. 0% certain BK ordered it. MOO

 

[ktm44]

If that theory is true--and it could be--then BK would have had knowledge of her plans. That suggests there was some link between them--some route for information to travel.

That's the big question. How did BK know it was his last chance? Some have suggested he planted listening devices in the house--he would have had ample opportunity during any of their parties--but MOO, the type of bug required to transmit audio to a receiver in a nearby car, are pricey. MOO.

Is there a go-between person? Did BK know one of the other home's residents?

All interesting questions.

I don't think that someone in and out that quickly would have time to remove listening devices so would you speculate that they are currently in the hands of LE?

 

[Dotta]

"One thing that seems common, not just to Bundy and DeAngelo and Kohberger but to spectacle murderers like post-Columbine school shooters: they don't see the value of the lives of other people (and animals) beyond what those beings can do for them. That's how a Chris Watts can annihilate his whole family because he's infatuated with his mistress. The wife and kids are in the way. It's how Susan Smith can drown her kids for the same reason. The kids were fine when they gave them society's approval but not when they were in the way of some other desire. It's how Eric Harris can plot to kill hundreds of people because as he said in his journal he hated people and wanted to destroy the world. It's a kind of metastasized arrogance, a god complex if you will. They see themselves as entitled to decide who lives, who dies. While some of these people have rather mundane reasons for murder (a lover, an insurance payout) someone like Eric Harris or BK wants to experience "god-likeness." What does it feel like to take a life? To snuff out youth, beauty, safety, security, the future?
My opinion only."

Here I'm quoting @pittsburghgirl from the previous thread. It's not a direct response, but when I was reading the above I thought of what was said at the time about Thomas Hamilton, the killer in the Dunblane Massacre Scotland - 20 Year Anniversary of Dunblane tragedy memorial thread, 1996

'Somebody' was quoted in a local newspaper, very local to Dunblane, saying that a person like Hamilton when he discovers that he can't have children in this world, he decides to leave this world and take them with him into the next. The somebody was not just a random person on a street, that I do remember. Psychologist maybe? I still have newspaper cuttings on the Dunblane Massacre but idk where they are rn (OT but the rain came thru my bedroom ceiling on Sunday and things are a little chaotic round here). Anyway if I could find my cuttings, maybe I'd find the quote and could add it here. But I can't so just a large MOO. This "can't have them in this world, so take into the next" is the god complex mentioned above imo. So could be similar with Kohberger - couldn't have those frat girls, or those young people he saw as having something he didn't or whatever exactly was going on in his mind, so he decided to snuff out their lives. The difference being he sent them into the next world, he didn't take them with him on his way out since he's still alive.

Part of my family originally comes from Dunblane which is why I still have newspaper cuttings and remember so vividly what was reported.

We might never know.

It may be that even he doesn't know the answer.

Can people really understand their own urges and compulsions? - without therapies I mean.

And even if he knows, I don't think he will ever tell his secret.

Whatever the reason, if guilty, he must take responsibility.
JMO

 

[Yuletide]

IIRC, the PCA says that X ordered the Door Dash, or strongly implies such. I'm 99% certain that she ordered it. I'm 1% certain that EC ordered it. 0% certain BK ordered it. MOO

The affidavit stated door dash delivered to X at 4 a.m. I can only guess, that while she consumed that food in the kitchen or living area and made her last Tik Tok post at 4:12 that the other three victims were being murdered and that she walked in to go to bed with E and was the last one killed and then he exited. It fits the approximate time line

 

[jepop]

IMO, how about the MPD?

I recall user TL4S making note of that fun fact on previous thread. MPD can be viewed from the hilly road at higher levation IIRC. Could be BK had a squizz to reassure himself not too many police about I guess. It's interesting if nothing else IMO

 

[Montecore1]

Browneyes posted what she’d be pondering about until the hearing in June and one of them was WHY THAT NIGHT? Or something to that effecct. Sorry brown eyes if I’m getting it wrong….

BUT, i started thinking about several of your thoughts and that one hit me like a bolt of lightning after it meshed with you pointing out the cars in the front. Kaylee’s Range Rover. It was her last night there! She was was moving to Austin!!!

y’all may all be going duh! But this is the first time i thought of this, and i feel so silly for not thinking of it sooner. It was his last chance to eliminate her. I hate typing that
But that night in his mind he thought now or never, so he literally went Rambo. It WASN’T well planned. She was graduating early!! THAT caught him off guard!!

I have been thinking the same thought, but then I wonder, how would he know that this was just a weekend visit? Also how would he recognize her new car? How would know about ATX? I wonder if K posted all her business on SM?

I posted that because its the first I have seen that his dad was there when BK moved IN.

I have to wonder if the dad planned to drive back with him before he was arrested.

Jmo

He prob originally purchased a RT tic with an open return. Its cheaper than a OW tic and he prob planned on making the trip back with his son for the holidays. IMO

 

[Justice101]

Yes, I’m just recalling this:
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Idaho cops get gas station footage of white car seen speeding near slain students’ home

Detectives collected eight hours of surveillance footage from a Moscow gas station where a clerk claimed she saw a white sedan drive by around 3:45 a.m. the night the students were killed, Fox News…

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BTW, the car speeding away tells me that BK knew someone else was in the house and was afraid that the police had already been called. Otherwise, why risk suspicion for speeding. The other argument for him speeding would be that the knew that video would be blurry at night of a car moving fast.

 

[Sundog]

Maybe he was in town for an interview related to his admission and needed a haircut before the interview?

He would have received his admission information in the spring, along with financial package, and date of orientation in late summer. Since we know from the hairdresser that he had an appointment on July 8th, and that his father drove to Moscow with him and helped him move in, then he likely arrived in June or early July. JMO.

 

[cuecard]

Or possibly leaving at high speed because he’s afraid someone’s called 911? Even if he didn’t see D, he certainly didn’t sweep the rest of the house.

Completely possible for sure.