ID - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered - Bryan Kohberger Arrested - Moscow # 66

[layer]

I’m throwing out a theory that I haven’t seen discussed (report if not allowed).

If throwing out theories was not allowed this thread would only be about 3 pages long.

 

[Canchance]

Sorry, my point was more about why would he not sit still and stalk the house if he was waiting for lights off to attack. This driving around could make him miss important details (like, say, someone coming over), exposes him to cameras, makes noise and therefore might expose him to witnesses - and I cannot figure out the benefits. All MOO.

There are at least a few factual mistakes there: once they use D-s last name for BK and there was a typo in at least one time on a graph (IIRC it was 1:20 vs 4.20). I think I caught one more.

I don't think it is. Page 3:
"This is with the exception of Kenrodle, who received a DoorDash order at the residence at approximately 4:00."
Could be anything from 3.45 to 4.15 for all we know.

DoorDash sends a text immediately upon drop off at door. The police have this text time. Only question is did she go to the door to get the food immediately or wait a few minutes.

 

[persimm0n]

What is considered a "high rate of speed?"

I wondered this too, high rate of speed on the highway is probably 85+, but in a residential neighborhood that could mean he was doing 40 in a 20mph area.

 

[Helechawagirl]

Honestly, that was where my mind initially went, that Kaylee was his focus. But her new vehicle and that she had moved out of the house confuses me to her being the target. Honestly now, just MOO, I’m leaning toward Maddie being his target. Maybe he saw her once or twice at her job or maybe saw her around Moscow and somehow found her SM. Looking at her Insta (I finally gave in and snooped because I was wanting to see if there were any pics of the house and possible lighting on all night - fairy lights, etc) I can see how he might have gotten obsessed with her -Kaylee as well, but well just, the not living there anymore thing… I suspect X and E were, so sadly, collateral damage when X was up and heard him on the third floor. I may be completely wrong but that makes the most sense to me. I think he was so overwhelmed by 4 murders he never saw DM peeking out her door.

I think the intervention with teacher and students caused him to feel threatened, embarrassed, enraged, all combined with holiday stress—seeing happy people together and feeling rejected—even in his academic setting—which is likely where he felt the most accepted—just all came to a boiling point that night. He may have thought he was going to lose his position—or maybe he was fired?
Just some possibilities. I still haven’t seen confirmation that the front door was open the morning of the 13th. If I saw my neighbor’s door wide open, I’d investigate or call LE. JMO

 

[jepop]

Sorry, my point was more about why would he not sit still and stalk the house if he was waiting for lights off to attack. This driving around could make him miss important details (like, say, someone coming over), exposes him to cameras, makes noise and therefore might expose him to witnesses - and I cannot figure out the benefits. All MOO.

There are at least a few factual mistakes there: once they use D-s last name for BK and there was a typo in at least one time on a graph (IIRC it was 1:20 vs 4.20). I think I caught one more.

I don't think it is. Page 3:
"This is with the exception of Kenrodle, who received a DoorDash order at the residence at approximately 4:00."
Could be anything from 3.45 to 4.15 for all we know.

BBM: My two cents: The PCA specifies LE spoke to DD driver. IMO they would have received an accurate (to a miunte or two) time of food drop off from that driver. I think the approximate in this case may relate to when XK collected the DD from the front step. But the PCA really doesn't allow for her to be collecting it from 3.45am. IMO there is no credible reason to think that the PCA is grossly (by that I mean time stamps out by up to half an hour) inaccurate in time approximations and not factual as a document of probable cause. IMO reasonable conjecture from the PCA would be that DM 'received' the food between 4 and 4.12am MOO.

https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/23564673/122922-affidavit-exhibit-a-statement-of-brett-payne_redacted.pdf

 

[Dotta]

I certainly understand that, but we do know that at least one victim, and perhaps more than one, had defensive wounds, implying that they were able to at least get a hand or hands up perhaps. I am inclined to believe that perhaps two victims may have been awake enough to offer some resistance, but that is jmo. DM described the man leaving as wearing dark clothes and a mask that covered his mouth and nose, but she never mentioned that he was wearing gloves. Was he? I think many of us assume so, but we do not know that. He may have had them on initially, and may have taken them off to better grip the knife when attacking. The assailant could have left skin cells on victims, or if not wearing gloves, could possibly have left some of his own blood, if he happened to nick himself. Considering the sloppy mistakes that we have already learned that he made, I would not be at all surprised to find that he left his DNA on a victim and elsewhere in the house. JMO

Hmm...

Considering his compulsion to wear gloves (shop, taking the rubbish out at 4 am) I guess he was wearing them during the attack.

I think DM was focusing on his face (she noticed eyebrows) and silhouette, not noticing hands (and the knife I think he was still gripping).

Besides, IMO, her perusal of the perp lasted only for a few seconds.

JMO

 

[Walela]

Oops, I certainly don't want to lead everyone astray. I do remember a big discussion about when his apartment would have become available to him, so I must have incorrectly assigned a date from there.

If the apartment is tied to the school, colleges generally have pretty firm move in dates for school housing. The apartment wouldn't have been available to him too far ahead of the first day of school. But, if it was just an apartment complex that was popular with married students, that's entirely different and he could have moved in at any time.

Information on Steptoe Village where BK's apartment was. You can take a virtual tour. I never heard if it was a 1 or 2 bedroom apt. Steptoe Village at WSU

 

[DeDee]

I think the intervention with teacher and students caused him to feel threatened, embarrassed, enraged, all combined with holiday stress—seeing happy people together and feeling rejected—even in his academic setting—which is likely where he felt the most accepted—just all came to a boiling point that night. He may have thought he was going to lose his position—or maybe he was fired?
Just some possibilities. I still haven’t seen confirmation that the front door was open the morning of the 13th. If I saw my neighbor’s door wide open, I’d investigate or call LE. JMO

Google is our friend.

"... front door <> was allegedly still wide open hours after <>.
... a neighbor said <> front door, <> was open at 8:30 a.m. <>."

Neighbors of Idaho students say front door was left open after murders

 

[jepop]

DoorDash sends a text immediately upon drop off at door. The police have this text time. Only question is did she go to the door to get the food immediately or wait a few minutes.

You just said in one sentence what took me about five.

 

[Yuletide]

Hmm...

Considering his compulsion to wear gloves (shop, taking the rubbish out at 4 am) I guess he was wearing them during the attack.

I think DM was focusing on his face (she noticed eyebrows) and silhouette, not noticing hands (and the knife I think he was still gripping).

Besides, IMO, her perusal of the perp lasted only for a few seconds.

JMO

She nailed his height, body style, and eyebrows in my opinion

 

[Canchance]

She nailed his height, body style, and eyebrows in my opinion

Pretty impressive actually for what had to have been one of the briefest yet traumatic of situations to be in.

 

[Elley Mae]

I hate to suggest he didn’t bring the knife with him but it was in the house and he found it while there.

Thought I just had.

 

[CSIDreamer]

We don't know where he parked, but we do see police examining skid marks on the south side of the house, and some tracks in dirt also on the south side. Doesn't mean he parked on the south side, though. He appears to have exited the scene by the south side. IIRC.

North or South? If he parked where I suspect he did, those look like yaw marks from making a left hand turn like fast and furious. JMO

The thought of a souped up Elantra gives me inappropriate giggles.

 

[persimm0n]

I rotate between that and thinking he selected the house because of its features, rather than because of the inhabitants. I could be wrong, but I really don't think K was the target and suspect she's been overemphasized because the coverage of the case tends to emphasize her. MOO

I think a lot of the speculation re: Kaylee being the target was wildly exacerbated by how vocal her dad was in the media before they arrested someone. I will never tell someone how to grieve and I'm not even going to pretend to remotely understand how they are feeling but I thought from the beginning her dad was putting a lot of emphasis on her as THE victim - detailing her injuries, saying only she had defensive wounds, saying "he didn't have to go upstairs" (what does this even mean and why would he think that?), even suggesting Kaylee could have ripped the sheath off of her attacker before sadly succumbing to her injuries? You can't rip leather like that especially while fighting for your life and if that was the case the PCA probably wouldn't have specified the sheath only contained 1 source of DNA, later believe to be Bryan's.

I wouldn't expect them to put the same focus into someone else's kid(s), but for me personally, I've tried to avoid any media with him in it because all four victims and their possible links to their killer need to be explored equally. His adamancy about her having a stalker/knowing the perp, and then once BK was arrested he immediately said there was no connection between them, goes to show at least some people were right in saying he was doing too much to keep focus on the case. I also don't agree with any family saying right off the bat, "my kid didn't know this person whatsoever" unless that has been confirmed after forensics on the electronics, you absolutely do not know every single person your kid has interacted with.

 

[Canchance]

I hate to suggest he didn’t bring the knife with him but it was in the house and he found it while there.

Thought I just had.

Well.. if you factor in some ‘search for a big giant knife’ time, that would make the timeline of events virtually impossible.

 

[sleuth.sloth]

I’m throwing out a theory that I haven’t seen discussed (report if not allowed).

Background for how this theory came to mind- a few years ago I had a maintenance worker who learned my shower schedule and would show up at the house I was renting at the time when I was alone and let himself in. Eventually a roommate set up a camera in the house and caught him stealing dirty underwear from our laundry baskets while I was in the shower. It was scary.

Knowing that BK has HVAC experience, could he have had a side gig as a maintenance guy? If we are floating a June move-in timeline he could have even started doing maintenance for these houses over the summer before his grad program and TA position started. It would explain multiple visits to the property (I’m thinking the one day time visit was an actual maintenance call and then subsequent late night visits were stalking) and could explain why there was an HVAC truck at the house after the murders. He could have set up surveillance in the ductwork during the initial maintenance call.

Just an idea.

Woah. Check this out…

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Edit: screenshot was of the Zillow listing for 1122 King Road. Last sentence of the description caught my attention.

This is a lot of maintenance worker activity, especially HVAC related, that would likely be done over the summer in anticipation of the start of the fall semester.

Just woah. I’m pretty sold on this theory now.

I agree with the person who responded to my original comment saying that it would have been released. And I also agree with the person who responded to them suggesting that maybe LE just didn’t know or didn’t have enough evidence yet.

This could potentially be huge. (Or could be not relevant at all.)

What do y’all make of it?

 

[Okiruy]

Accused Idaho Killer Bryan Kohberger Repeatedly Messaged One of the Victims on Instagram: Source

"He was persistent," an investigative source on the case tells PEOPLE

people.com

Curious who he messaged. The article says the receiver of the messages may not have even read them, although I feel like they would know that by now?

 

[Helechawagirl]

Google is our friend.

"... front door <> was allegedly still wide open hours after <>.
... a neighbor said <> front door, <> was open at 8:30 a.m. <>."

Neighbors of Idaho students say front door was left open after murders

Thank you. That makes me wonder if he left via the front door? The PCA said he was headed toward the slider, but he could have turned around. They did not say that he exited via the slider which I thought was odd. Probably reading too much in to that. JMO

 

[al66pine]

BCK, Getting Settled in, in Pullman?

Maybe he was excited to arrive early, (July,) be on his own, maybe for the first time in his life, make a few friends, find a few girls to stalk, learn where the best vegan restaurants were. MOO

@wary
"find a few girls to stalk"
I wonder if he googled "cute girls in Salida," like Morphew.
Oops.
Maybe "Cute girls in Moscow."
[wink]

 

[Sundog]

Information on Steptoe Village where BK's apartment was. You can take a virtual tour. I never heard if it was a 1 or 2 bedroom apt. Steptoe Village at WSU

Sounds like the usual contract for family and graduate housing runs from July 1 to June 30th, but students can give 90 days notice if they are moving out. So probably there are apartments that are available outside of the normal July 1 to June 30 schedule.

Or maybe BK and his father drove across the country in late June with plans to arrive on July 1st and get the key to move in to the apartment then. Or maybe they made plans to arrive on June 30th or thereabouts, and had permission to get the key and move in a day or two earlier.

Or a grad student apartment was available earlier and they moved in during the month of June.