ID - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered - Bryan Kohberger Arrested - Moscow # 67

[10ofRods]

I'll bet he pinged off their wifi, too. He visited that place too many times to avoid that. JMO

SG says he came within the "Beacon Frame" of their wifi at least once.

 

[isabella88]

SG says he came within the "Beacon Frame" of their wifi at least once.

Excellent.

 

[WildWest]

I hear you. I've had Ikea stalk me like that. We probably just set ourselves up for Taco Bell and Ikea to come for us again.

and @Veronica Sawyer I told my husband the correct brand of puppy food to buy, then nonstop ads on that brand.

 

[tpen]

Absolutely! If the test results are hair from a dog and even better if it is Murphy's breed and coloring. JMO

Murphy is a mixed breed dog. That muddies the waters quite a bit. Unless he’s an F1, he will have an undetermined amount of DNA from each contributing breed. I think nuclear DNA (if possible) will be the way to go to prove or disprove the identity.

 

[10ofRods]

Being that it's a college town, I think it's likely that there are at least a few open ones.

Oh - good point, both of you. I wonder how many people have been asked to check their routers. (Probably not many or possibly not any - but good idea and not too late at this point).

 

[MassGuy]

Oh - good point, both of you. I wonder how many people have been asked to check their routers. (Probably not many or possibly not any - but good idea and not too late at this point).

They wouldn’t even need to do that. A download of his phone would provide law enforcement with that data. I wonder what else was on that device.

 

[10ofRods]

Murphy is a mixed breed dog. That muddies the waters quite a bit. Unless he’s an F1, he will have an undetermined amount of DNA from each contributing breed. I think nuclear DNA (if possible) will be the way to go to prove or disprove the identity.

It does, although I think most juries would understand and compute the visual evidence, in the context of all the other evidence.

If two dog hairs are identical under the microscope, but one lacks the hair root, it will be very difficult to explain that one of the hairs (which comes from Murphy and has a hair root) is not like the other.

We should remember that people in general like to use faculties (their senses) that are familiar to them. Dog hair LOOKS identical to Murphy (phenotypic resemblance), is in non-Murphy owning apartment of BK? Does dog DNA really matter in that context? I'm speaking of microscopic similarities in structure and proteins of the hair. DNA does not have to be found for us to posit its similarity based on phenotype.

 

[Nova]

Everything they took from his house is evidence. Some of it could potentially exonerating (all hair is his hair) and some might not be. Either side can use it.

If that's an animal hair from Murphy (and I bet it is), that's incriminating evidence. If there are fibers from 1122 King Road (bedding, etc), that's incriminating. If there is victim DNA in the vacuum container, that's incriminating.

If every piece of physical evidence is linked only to BK and some other animal, then it's mostly exonerating.

(Emphasis added.)

Is it exonerating, or merely lacking in evidentiary value? Surely everyone expects they will find traces of BK in BK's home!

I'm not saying the defense won't be sure to remind the jury if nothing of the victims or crime is found in BK's apartment and car, but it will be up to jurors (or the judge, if no jury) to decide whether that is exculpatory.

 

[tpen]

It does, although I think most juries would understand and compute the visual evidence, in the context of all the other evidence.

If two dog hairs are identical under the microscope, but one lacks the hair root, it will be very difficult to explain that one of the hairs (which comes from Murphy and has a hair root) is not like the other.

We should remember that people in general like to use faculties (their senses) that are familiar to them. Dog hair LOOKS identical to Murphy (phenotypic resemblance), is in non-Murphy owning apartment of BK? Does dog DNA really matter in that context? I'm speaking of microscopic similarities in structure and proteins of the hair. DNA does not have to be found for us to posit its similarity based on phenotype.

I’m not sure if there have been studies done on the accuracy of comparing hair structure/microscopic appearance of samples obtained from animals. Unsure how that evidence would hold up in court. Obviously they’ve done studies in humans and it’s considered a good/strong association.

 

[passionflower]

I saw a video from news nation, I hope I do this right. Kohberger life in jail is NOT anything he’s used to!

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Wall Street Prison Consultants founder Larry Levine has spent time as a federal inmate. He tells @TVAshleigh that Idaho suspect Bryan Kohberger will most likely stay in protective custody for his own protection. #Banfield
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[JJ Ray]

Just read the List of items from Residence search....hairs and pillow/matress cuttings are interesting. However, what really has me curious are the receipts (and I was previously curious why all the focus on Clarkton trip). But now I wonder if he didn't make a previous trip and buy the clothing he was going to wear, washed them after the murders at a shared laundry or coin-op, and then returned them?

 

[Curiosa20]

The phone data and DNA alone will bury him. He had no business being in that area (months before, day after) , and his DNA had no business being on that sheath.

And if this instagram thing is accurate, that’s enough without any of the evidence that is currently being processed.

Idaho murders suspect Bryan Kohberger allegedly spammed one victim with Instagram DMs: report | FOX 13 Seattle

Bryan Kohberger, who is charged with the murders of four University of Idaho students, allegedly sent one of the victims Instagram messages before the slayings, a report claims.

www.q13fox.com

Not to mention any other attempts to contact the survivors, although I suppose he first identified KG, MM, and XK through a random club or restaurant encounter. The survivors didn’t seem so involved in the others social lives.

 

[eloquence]

First post to this site - be kind, please.

From a legal standpoint, if evidence from his apartment ties to the victims and evidence from his parent's home
also points to his guilt, can the defense attorney refuse to continue with the case? Does the judge have any
discretion in discontinuing the trial? Yes, I understand the suspect has the right to a jury of his peers, but.......

From the perspective of an Idaho taxpayer, to proceed with such overwhelming evidence would be a total waste
of money. What has been the precendent is similar cases?

A public defender can only step down in the case of a conflict of interest

A judge cannot end the trial on their own discretion. BK has full right to trial by jury

If the evidence becomes truly overwhelming against him, perhaps the defense starts to look for a guilty plea in exchange for taking death penalty off the table. But I think the evidence is far from overwhelming right now. Many cases with far more evidence are tried all the time and some of those people even get off... reasonable doubt.

 

[Mad Hettie]

Just because no bed linens were taken from his apartment, I see no reason to believe there were none on his bed. He could have washed the bedlinens and put clean ones back on the bed afterwards, that had no blood evidence or stains. That does not mean that the pillow that the case was covering didn't, as it seems LE took cuttings from it, and likewise, the mattress cover beneath the unstained sheets still had dried stains, and were taken away by LE. As for towels, I assume even a minimalist bachelor student has more than one or two. He could have disposed of a bloody towel and no one would know unless it was found. JMO

Is it possible that LE said "top and bottom of mattress cover" to mean the fitted and flat sheet? There are so many other word usages for "sheet" that it might be something they've changed to avoid confusion, perhaps.

 

[maskedwoman]

Well, thanks for the attempt - but I have no idea what word you want me or anyone else to use to continue this conversation, so I'm letting it go.

I'll just say I'm disappointed in the short list of things apparently found and removed.

I think context will be important to the jury and may be about the only thing the defense has on offer. Let's just say that reasonable doubt also does not exonerate him or exculpate him, but he will walk free if one jury has any.

I wondered if he might be living a rather spartan existence.

 

[10ofRods]

Yeah, and I know it's already been commented on, but I find it strange that the pillow didn't have a pillow case (evidently?), but the mattress had a cover.

Would they have taken obviously clean sheets and towels that were free of stains and freshly laundered? Did he have all of his linens in a big basket to do laundry when he returned (would they have taken dirty laundry that didn't have obvious stains)? Did he get rid of everything before leaving? Unclear, and it is curious. I was surprised how little they seemed to have taken in the warrant -- makes me wonder if they were specific, or if the apartment was very bare. IMO.

Well, I would hope so since dozens of studies show that DNA cannot be removed by washing in a washing machine, even with bleach. Needs many, many, MANY washes, and even then, not always successful.

DNA on underwear has survived many washings. With bleach and without. Blood-based DNA would be similar (whole cell DNA).

DNA transferred by bleeding is more persistent than touch DNA in this process. So, well, where is that stuff? I want to see it! Why no towels??

//Additionally, cotton stained with blood or semen was laundered using a liquid detergent in various washing and drying conditions. An unstained cutting was evaluated for potential transfer. Both miRNA targets were observed in all stained samples regardless of the wash protocol used. Of the mRNA markers, HBB was detected in all bloodstained samples...//

The stability and persistence of blood and semen mRNA and miRNA targets for body fluid identification in environmentally challenged and laundered samples

The identification of body fluids in evidentiary stains may provide investigators with probative information during an investigation. In this study, q…

www.sciencedirect.com

 

[MassGuy]

Well, I would hope so since dozens of studies show that DNA cannot be removed by washing in a washing machine, even with bleach. Needs many, many, MANY washes, and even then, not always successful.

DNA on underwear has survived many washings. With bleach and without. Blood-based DNA would be similar (whole cell DNA).

DNA transferred by bleeding is more persistent than touch DNA in this process. So, well, where is that stuff? I want to see it! Why no towels??

//Additionally, cotton stained with blood or semen was laundered using a liquid detergent in various washing and drying conditions. An unstained cutting was evaluated for potential transfer. Both miRNA targets were observed in all stained samples regardless of the wash protocol used. Of the mRNA markers, HBB was detected in all bloodstained samples...//

The stability and persistence of blood and semen mRNA and miRNA targets for body fluid identification in environmentally challenged and laundered samples

The identification of body fluids in evidentiary stains may provide investigators with probative information during an investigation. In this study, q…

www.sciencedirect.com

Yup, gotta use Oxyclean, and I’m not kidding. “Billy Mays here…”

 

[WildWest]

Murphy is a mixed breed dog. That muddies the waters quite a bit. Unless he’s an F1, he will have an undetermined amount of DNA from each contributing breed. I think nuclear DNA (if possible) will be the way to go to prove or disprove the identity.

Would they match that to Murphy's current hair sample regardless of breed?

 

[Love Never Fails]

Has it been mentioned here that maybe the reason he drove back to the crime at 9 AM was to go back and kill Dylan? That thought just occurred to me. I know many have suggested he wanted to find his knife sheath. I’m sorry if it has been brought up. I’ve been sick with the flu for a couple weeks and I know I can never catch up.
Just a thought. In any case, I’m glad his mind said no and he left.

 

[eloquence]

Is it possible that LE said "top and bottom of mattress cover" to mean the fitted and flat sheet? There are so many other word usages for "sheet" that it might be something they've changed to avoid confusion, perhaps.

I have a mattress cover that zips over my mattress, I think they are fairly common especially for people with allergies. Perhaps he had one under the sheets?

Something similar to this: AiryWeight Eucalyptus Mattress Protector