ID - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered - Bryan Kohberger Arrested - Moscow # 67

[Ceska]

Murphy is a mixed breed dog. That muddies the waters quite a bit. Unless he’s an F1, he will have an undetermined amount of DNA from each contributing breed. I think nuclear DNA (if possible) will be the way to go to prove or disprove the identity.

They should be able to match the hair found, to a hair taken directly from Murphy.... if the hair found is indeed from Murphy, the hairs should match.

 

[tpen]

Would they match that to Murphy's current hair sample regardless of breed?

Match what? If the nuclear DNA matches after sequencing, there’s no need to test the breed. Cant find papers on it rn but profs/vets have told me they don’t put much stock in breed tests

 

[al66pine]

Listening to Police Scanner?

If this dude was cruising around with a police scanner I think it would have been noted somewhere. Is that how he initially found them? I wonder if LE has figured out yet why them.

@schooling Yes, good point. Seems we would have read or heard if BCK had a scanner in his car.

IIRC, a member posted about listening to local LE radio (member's local, not Moscow) without a police/fire/public safety scanner, just w a smart phone app.

My quick searches did not locate info about whether this could be done in Moscow w a similar app. Anyone?

 

[Love Never Fails]

SG says he came within the "Beacon Frame" of their wifi at least once.

What is a beacon frame?

 

[10ofRods]

A public defender can only step down in the case of a conflict of interest

A judge cannot end the trial on their own discretion. BK has full right to trial by jury

If the evidence becomes truly overwhelming against him, perhaps the defense starts to look for a guilty plea in exchange for taking death penalty off the table. But I think the evidence is far from overwhelming right now. Many cases with far more evidence are tried all the time and some of those people even get off... reasonable doubt.

Examples, please?

Yup, gotta use Oxyclean, and I’m not kidding. “Billy Mays here…”

Works better yes - but still takes many washings and not full-proof. But yes, better than bleach for this purpose. I wonder if that's what BK bought in Albertson's. Of course, we do have a criminology student here, with full access to a university library.

It might even have had a game-like fun aspect for him (to go home and look up what to buy to get rid of evidence). In the end, it looks like he removed a lot. I want the plumbing!

 

[esayer]

They should be able to match the hair found, to a hair taken directly from Murphy.... if the hair found is indeed from Murphy, the hairs should match.

IMO: I don't have a doodle breed. They don't shed do they? I would be super surprised if the hair was Murphy's. They got those samples weeks after the fact.

 

[Nila Aella]

Murphy is a mixed breed dog. That muddies the waters quite a bit. Unless he’s an F1, he will have an undetermined amount of DNA from each contributing breed. I think nuclear DNA (if possible) will be the way to go to prove or disprove the identity.

Just using morphology can distinguish between dog breeds.
It requires nuclear dna to identify a particular dog. JMO

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[10ofRods]

What is a beacon frame?

The reach of your wifi router. People who have the right settings on their phone can "see" your router even if they can't join it. This "touch" of the outer frame of the router can be found.

 

[WildWest]

Match what?

match one Murphy dog hair against one on his body now, for DNA.

 

[Copper107]

I just thought of something...when D & B called friends (Im assuming males) over the morning of the 13th and apparently, several spoke with the 911 operator and Im guessing one or more of those friends went inside if only to the second floor.
A lot of college kids wear Vans and easily could have stepped in something within the crime scene, maybe that latent shoe print was from one of them? We haven't head a lot about it, and I would think IF it was the killers it would be upfront and center as the sheath. IDK MOO

Reason being: Should something in the PCA negate a finding of probable cause, the whole arrest and actions thereafter could be dismissed as evidence because of "the fruit of the poisonous tree" ruling. What the officer is pleading in the PCA is should the DNA results be admissable at some point (his words), please let the other evidence satisfy the probable cause.

This was a very, very important pleading, IMO. Shows superb knowledge of the process and the things that can make a case go "south."

All the above just my opinion.

edit to say: inamissable.

 

[10ofRods]

IMO: I don't have a doodle breed. They don't shed do they? I would be super surprised if the hair was Murphy's. They got those samples weeks after the fact.

<modsnip> Does BK have a doodle? No. Who has a doodle? Kaylee and the occupants of 1122 King Road. <modsnip>

They do not shed as much as many dogs (see my avatar for reference to a dog that sheds like crazy, two times a year). However, ALL hair eventually falls out of any mammal. Each hair has its own lifespan. It's hard to avoid animal hair if you are around one.

If there's Doodle hair at BK's apt, that's excellent circumstantial evidence to add to the ever-increasing pile.

 

[Ceska]

IMO: I don't have a doodle breed. They don't shed do they? I would be super surprised if the hair was Murphy's. They got those samples weeks after the fact.

The probably shed a little, most all animals shed to some extent (I had Poodles and Poodle mixes, they don't shed a lot, but Labs and Goldens do). But, they can take that hair found, and then pull a hair from Murphy.... and see if they match. But, either way, with or without the hair, they have a lot of evidence against BK.

 

[tpen]

IMO: I don't have a doodle breed. They don't shed do they? I would be super surprised if the hair was Murphy's. They got those samples weeks after the fact.

Doodles are not breeds. They’re mutts. Even poodles shed at an extent. Doodles may or may not shed, it is entirely unpredictable.

MOO

 

[Rallodgnrl]

Reason being: Should something in the PCA negate a finding of probable cause, the whole arrest and actions thereafter could be dismissed as evidence because of "the fruit of the poisonous tree" ruling. What the officer is pleading in the PCA is should the DNA results be admissable at some point (his words), please let the other evidence satisfy the probable cause.

This was a very, very important pleading, IMO. Shows superb knowledge of the process and the things that can make a case go "south."

All the above just my opinion.

Imo It sounds like they forsee an issue with either the way they collected/processed the DNA.
Or with the DNA sample itself.

 

[JJ Ray]

IMO the knife is somewhere off road on the Geness ID route he took back to Pullman after the murders.

He realized the sheath was missing went back to the King Road house at 9:12am and checked where he parked. Went back home and continued clean up. At 12:45 he is down in Clarkton returning the clothing items he had laundered to Walmart (and Marshalls??). Later that day he turns phone back off and travels same route he took after murders to see if he could find where he tossed knife to check (hoping upon hope) it was lost at that spot.

he clearly would use gloves during the murder but he easily could have not being using gloves when he first took the knife out of the sheath at an earlier time...fully confident he could wipe it and ditch with the knife later. He didn't count on a victim tearing it off or a cheap Dickies belt loop not holding or clip not holding.

 

[NoSpoonFeeding]

Just read the List of items from Residence search....hairs and pillow/matress cuttings are interesting. However, what really has me curious are the receipts (and I was previously curious why all the focus on Clarkton trip). But now I wonder if he didn't make a previous trip and buy the clothing he was going to wear, washed them after the murders at a shared laundry or coin-op, and then returned them?

I would think he would need the receipts to return the items, unless he just wanted a store credit, depending on the store policy. I know some females that bought dresses and returned them after a special occasion. But that would be so disgusting for BK to do that.

 

[Twistinginthewind]

If this dude was cruising around with a police scanner I think it would have been noted somewhere. Is that how he initially found them? I wonder if LE has figured out yet why them.

A reason for the search warrant being sealed (until now) IMO was because LE figured out BK may have had some "in" on LE activities in Moscow in that neighborhood in the time leading up to the murders, that may have gone beyond him being an everyday citizen who liked to listen to the local police scanner, but that is a possibility, IMO. About a week ago they said:

"Authorities have temporarily sealed the search warrant for University of Idaho murder suspect Bryan Kohberger 's Washington home - as they claim releasing details could 'prematurely' end the investigation and 'create a threat to public safety.' "

Idaho judge seals search warrant for Bryan Kohberger's apartment

JMO

 

[Ccging]

IMO: I don't have a doodle breed. They don't shed do they? I would be super surprised if the hair was Murphy's. They got those samples weeks after the fact.

They do shed just not nearly as much as other dogs. IMO there were Murphy hairs all over the house and it transferred onto BK, who knows maybe Kaylee even played with Murphy when they got home and had hairs on her that transferred onto BK.

 

[NeverPersonal]

Idaho murders update: Bryan Kohberger search warrant of Pullman, Washington apartment, WSU office unsealed - ABC7 Chicago

 

[Rallodgnrl]

But we have no clue what they saw. Early reports said that the roommates could not get Xana's door open. They were calling and texting, but with no response (and could hear the phone ringing inside the room). They freaked out and called friends/family to come over.

It's not like they saw a big pool of blood. There's still doubt that either Dylan or Bethany went to the third floor. When police arrive, the two survivors are OUTSIDE and everyone standing outside knows about the deaths of Xana and Ethan (because the door was opened by some of the people who came over).

When the girls called their friends, they were probably still thinking Xana was simply unconscious. No one's mind would go to "murder scene" if they couldn't get inside the bedroom.

THe "impossible to rouse" refers, IMO, to them calling through the door and phoning.

So it's not clear at all how "obvious" everything was. I believe the "unconscious" person referred to by the young man who finally took over the 911 call was one of the survivors, who had fainted.

We do not know how many people went into the house. We do know that at least one person came right away (I believe there were 3, both within very close distances to the house) and helped open the door.

No matter how many people walked on top of the latent print, it was still there (and presumably was written in the blood of victims). Anyone else walking through pooled blood would leave non-latent prints (at least initially) and would give their shoe prints to investigators to be ruled out. It's not at all uncommon for other humans to be inside a murder scene, as many people are killed at home and their families are actually right there.

Did LE report that they found no blood or blood trail outside the home?
I think I remember that being the case.