ID - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered - Bryan Kohberger Arrested - Moscow # 67

[al66pine]

Crime Scene Clothing?

What would be the point of returning the clothes when he could just ditch them? I can’t see him going through all that trouble, possibly being seen on video going to a laundromat, on video returning the clothes, witnesses to both activities, etc. He’s careless, but I don’t see the point. moo.

@AlisRedHat (aside from my earlier response $$$$) I wonder---
Did Bryan K. in ID. run the same online search as the recently arrested Bryan Walshe in MA.:

"Is it better to throw crime scene clothes away or wash them?"

^ one of 14 similar lame-brain searches the MA. Bryan did Jan 1, before his wife was reported missing a few days later.*
But Bryan W. does not have a masters degree in criminology.

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*Brian Walshe pleads not guilty to murdering wife Ana

MA - Ana Walshe Supposedly Left Home in Rideshare to Airport Cohasset #4 DailyMail, Jan. 18.
This is thread #4 :

Still Missing - MA - Ana Walshe, 39, allegedly left home, may have been dismembered, Cohasset, Jan 2023 *husband indicted* #4

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[Observant-ADHD-ENFP-BSc]

With the state police and the FBI assisting, surely surely surely they went after the plumbing. I mean, if we're all sitting here as amateurs clamoring for the plumbing, in the name of all that's holy, I will despair in nobody in three groups of professionals thinks to check the plumbing in BOTH houses.

and the HVAC! (If not done already )

 

[Rallodgnrl]

Hi - I don't post really, but had a thought that I'd like to throw out and see what comments you guys might have. KB did kill these kids - didn't spare the two but was disciplined, times up, time to leave, sort of. The whole thing thoroughly planned, thought out, etc., but not planned to avoid being caught but planned not to see a conviction.
It's intriguing that no-one thinks he didn't do it, everyone wants to fry him, but maybe that's not of interest to him - maybe he's trying to prove that it doesn't mean anything to be charged with a crime if you don't get convicted. And maybe he's put this together with just enough confusion and doubt that he will not be convicted. Perhaps it's his statement/ perspective of the criminal justice system on a different level which would reconcile his doctoral intelligence with this inexplicable crime.
I don't know that I'm even making much sense LOL - but it crossed my mind...

I'm not convinced he did it.

 

[Boodles]

Well, after all, he is a degreed criminology student, so he’s got some knowledge, despite people calling him stupid, about evidence searches.

I can’t imagine the stains on the bedding/pillows are related to any victim. Like he would lay down on the bed without scrubbing himself down 20x? I bet he has cleaned, vacuumed, laundered, etc., as much as possible between the time he did it (allegedly) and leaving for PA. They ought to check his water and electric usage to see if they can tell whether he used an unusually high amount of water (laundry/cleaning) and electricity (dryer) between November 13 and December 13 (assuming he had those in his apartment).

I wish they would have found his laptop (I assume he had one.) Maybe they nabbed that in PA.

MOO!

Quoting myself…I just checked and the Steptoe apartments didn’t allow washing machines and dryers. There were laundry rooms. Maybe if he hadn’t thrown away incriminating clothing, linens, etc., he was witnessed going back and forth to the laundry room.

“Where is my laundry room located?
Coin operated laundry facilities are available in your complex. Washers & dryers are not allowed in individual apartments except Yakama if hookups are provided.”

Fam/GRAD Frequently Asked Questions | at WSU

housing.wsu.edu

FWIW

 

[steeltowngirl]

I think jurors in a death penalty case pay particular attention to beyond a reasonable doubt! JMO

Yes. They will have to be “death-qualified”, an intensive jury selection process.

 

[Essbee]

A glove, 'reddish' pillow and receipts seized from Idaho murder suspect's home

A newly-released search warrant alleges that Idaho student murders suspect Bryan Kohberger planned the fatal stabbings.

www.yahoo.com

A black glove, a stained pillow and receipts from Walmart and Marshalls were among items seized from the apartment of a criminology major accused of fatally stabbing four University of Idaho students, according to court documents released Tuesday.

Among the items investigators took from the Pullman, Washington, apartment of Bryan Kohberger were possible hair strands, a pillow with a "reddish/brown stain," a computer tower, a "nitrite type" black glove, receipts, mattress covers and an Amazon Fire TV stick, a search warrant unsealed by the Whitman County Superior Court says.

I'm also certain that I see a typo. "Nitrile" gloves (not "nitrite") are a common type of latex-free disposible gloves used in medical care. My hospital usually has them in blue, but they also come in a variety of colors and sizes.

 

[NoSpoonFeeding]

There have been cases in which DNA was run on animal hairs.

ETA: Example

This was the dead dog's blood DNA, not from his hair.

 

[Deleted member 718]

@Moriarty

It said the dust container from a "Bissell Power Force" vacuum. Similar to this, assuming it's the bagfree type:

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[kbckcern22]

Obviously not being killers, he comes across as really dumb to us.
But the media has tried to make so much of how brilliant his studies were and that his teachers loved him. He comes across to me as a school kid who thought he could take a couple courses on criminology and become the worlds smartest serial killer. It all just doesn’t add up.

I think he is a smug, arrogant, butt wipe! I wish I could use more curse words, it would really make me feel better.

 

[layer]

(Emphasis added.)

"Beyond a shadow of a doubt" is EXACTLY the language used during voir dire to indicate what the prosecution is NOT required to provide. "Reasonable doubt" is somewhat less than that, but the wording (at least in NY and CA where I have been a juror) is somewhat ambiguous and, to some extent, every jury has to decide what it means. If you believe what you posted and are honest when questioned, you would be excused from any jury.

We should keep in mind that a sizable majority of murder cases that go to trial do end in a conviction. In TX and CA, murder convictions are obtained in over 80% of trials (and those figures don't take into consideration cases where a conviction is achieved after a hung jury/mistrial in which the DA can use what s/he learned from the first trial). FL, unsurprisingly, only has a 59% conviction rate. (Don't get me started!)

With four, attractive, young, white people horribly slaughtered, most juries will be anxious to convict, which isn't to say they will ignore their sworn duty. It's really too early to worry, but given conviction rates we should be concerned that BK gets a fair trial!

It goes both ways. I have seen acquittals that amount to outright juror nullification in some famous cases. But I have seen a lot of post-conviction juror interviews in which it is clear that they were weighing the evidence like it's a civil case - by a preponderance of evidence, rather than truly beyond a reasonable doubt. In some cases, they have even expressed reasonable doubts in their interviews after they voted to convict someone.

I think it's far more common than acknowledged that there is an attitude that the defendant must be quilty or they wouldn't be charging them. Decent citizens tend to side with LE over those accused of despicable crimes, it's just human nature. But the large number of post-conviction exonerations should weigh heavily on all of us, justice is never served by convicting innocent people.

JMHO

 

[Observant-ADHD-ENFP-BSc]

I'm just saying I don't think the hair they found is Murphy's because doodle breeds don't shed as much as other dogs and also it was weeks after the fact they found the hair. No one has said the hair they found is from a dog, much less from a doodle breed type dog,

I think I might have had this conversation with you before about the doodles shedding.
You are totally right that doodles do not shed as much as other dogs, but the focus here is the do not shed as much, yet they do still shed and the hairs will be around, just not as much as another type of dog.
I'm not sure of the numbers but I'm sure it is known that humans do not shed as much as dogs yet we still do shed hairs.

 

[XtremeScorpio]

I agree with LE, all four. JMO

I'm still having a hard time trying to figure out why not the other 2 then? If it was planned, then surely he knew 2 others occupied the house too. Why were they left untouched? In the beginning we (most of us, anyway) thought it could have been because their bedroom doors were locked. Now we know that wasn't the case. It appears BK made absolutely zero effort to go after either and both of them. MOO

 

[Twistinginthewind]

Idaho murders - updates: Bryan Kohberger ‘co-defendant’ theory debunked as hit-and-run revealed

The Independent
Rachel Sharp and Andrea Blanco
Wed, January 18, 2023 at 12:25 PM EST

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Meanwhile, it has been revealed that a hit-and-run unfolded outside of Mr Kohberger’s home on the same night of the murders. It is not clear if Mr Kohberger witnessed the hit-and-run which took place within the eyeline of his apartment."

Idaho murders - updates: Bryan Kohberger ‘co-defendant’ theory debunked as hit-and-run revealed

Ahem, certainly seems like there (EBM to say) were several "incidents" around BK there in Pullman, WA in the month surrounding the murders of X, E, M & K, IMOO:

• The evening before the night of the murders, there was a hit and run outside BK's apartment according to the MSM article (See link in self-quoted post above ^^) (BBM)
• The morning of the day BK left to drive back to PA with his father, there was a shooting death on his campus according to this MSM article (see link below) (BBM):

"Idaho murders suspect Bryan Kohberger and his father mentioned a Washington State University shooting to an Indiana deputy during a traffic stop on their cross-country trip to Pennsylvania in mid-December, new bodycam footage reveals, along with the suspect's voice.

The encounter happened several hours before state police stopped the duo, and the same morning in which a Washington SWAT team killed an armed man after a standoff.

The Kohbergers do not appear to have been ticketed either time, and referred to the Washington incident as a "mass shooting," although only the suspect was shot."

(Idaho murders suspect Bryan Kohberger's dad mentioned WSU SWAT shooting in new police bodycam).

ETA: Maybe the "environment" he was living in had him spooked -- the 4 murders in a nearby city to boot -- so he was relieved to be leaving and going back home to PA to be with his family. JMOO

 

[kbckcern22]

After reading this Read Bryan Kohberger search warrant: New details about Idaho murder case

I’m feeling uneasy about one part in particular. “cuttings from an uncased pillow of a "reddish/brown stain," according to the warrant.

Makes my heart hurt. Could he have possibly cut out a piece of one of the girls’s pillow cases stained in her blood and kept it as a killing souvenir? I seriously don’t put this past him at all! I could be way off as well, but it was the first thing that came to mind.

Huge shoutout to @Zella for getting me caught up!!!

 

[laust23]

I'm not convinced he did it.

What are you thoughts as to why?

 

[MassGuy]

Gotta wonder what info his car's onboard computer gathers. Until the Suzanne Morphew case, I had been unaware of the trove of data that is collected in modern cars. Timestamped car/driver interactions (door open/closed, headlights on/off, gear put in drive/park/reverse, etc, etc, etc) should prove damning IF a 2016 Elantra stores that information.

If that Elantra also stores its onboard gps history, BK is effed.

Amazing point. That telematics data, coupled with his cell data, would be huge. Wonder if his vehicle had it though?

 

[kbckcern22]

I'm still having a hard time trying to figure out why not the other 2 then? If it was planned, then surely he knew 2 others occupied the house too. Why were they left untouched? In the beginning we (most of us, anyway) thought it could have been because their bedroom doors were locked. Now we know that wasn't the case. It appears BK made absolutely zero effort to go after either and both of them. MOO

I think he wasn’t expecting to be so involved with his victims and that happened to some extent with Xana and freaked him out a bit! Just my opinion.

 

[r3d-ros3]

After reading this Read Bryan Kohberger search warrant: New details about Idaho murder case

I’m feeling uneasy about one part in particular. “cuttings from an uncased pillow of a "reddish/brown stain," according to the warrant.

Makes my heart hurt. Could he have possibly cut out a piece of one of the girls’s pillow cases stained in her blood and kept it as a killing souvenir? I seriously don’t put this past him at all! I could be way off as well, but it was the first thing that came to mind.

Huge shoutout to @Zella for getting me caught up!!!

I take that to mean that they cut a part of his uncased pillow that had a stain on it, in order to test the stain. I guess the wording is strange, though.

 

[Cav444]

I think it’s extremely creepy to have the mattress covers bagged and labeled. What could the “C” mean?

 

[NoSpoonFeeding]

After reading this Read Bryan Kohberger search warrant: New details about Idaho murder case

I’m feeling uneasy about one part in particular. “cuttings from an uncased pillow of a "reddish/brown stain," according to the warrant.

Makes my heart hurt. Could he have possibly cut out a piece of one of the girls’s pillow cases stained in her blood and kept it as a killing souvenir? I seriously don’t put this past him at all! I could be way off as well, but it was the first thing that came to mind.

Huge shoutout to @Zella for getting me caught up!!!

The cuttings were made by LE, from a pillow supposedly belonging to BK. I don't know how big the pillow was but apparently, there was no need to take the whole thing, just the stains.