ID - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered - Bryan Kohberger Arrested - Moscow # 67

[10ofRods]

If he threw that knife out the window somewhere along the way between the murder site and his apartment, how on earth can they ever expect to find it? I just picture him, speeding along, tossing it out in the shrubbery. How long would it take to search 10 miles of road shrubbery?

ETA: And did he cross over any bodies of water?

He was very near several bodies of water.

He chose an approximately 30 mile route to get home, not his usual fastest route. I believe that's why he had to turn his phone back on. He gets off the main road at Genesee. He may have been looking for trash cans. Maybe he has an inner dictum against littering, I don't know.

But yes, that would be way too many bushes to easily search (although people with metal detectors who live locally are probably going to have it as a hobby for some time to come).

It wouldn't take *that* long to search 10 miles of shrubbery, actually. Indeed, prison and jail workers could do it as a community service project. 30 miles is doable too. It's so doable compared to throwing the knife (weighted) into the Snake River, that I doubt he tossed the knife roadside. He risked someone seeing him and of course, it would put the knife very near the roadside. Not all of that road has bushes, either.

 

[Boodles]

Interesting article about circumventing the June preliminary hearing with a grand jury:

”But prosecutors can undercut the procedural maneuver by seeking a grand jury indictment, which would also spare the surviving roommates from having to sit in court across from Kohberger and face cross-examination during a preliminary hearing, according to Idaho lawyer Edwina Elcox, who previously represented alleged "Cult Mom" Lori Vallow.”

Bryan Kohberger case: Moscow prosecutor can sidestep stall tactic with grand jury indictment

Bryan Kohberger's move to delay his preliminary hearing until the end of June may not matter if prosecutors get a grand jury indictment, Idaho lawyer says.

www.foxnews.com

 

[ray9898]

I just don't see them putting a lot of effort into the plumbing traps. This isn't a fresh crime they were investigating, this was 1 1/2 months after the fact on fixtures that were used for a solid month after the crimes. The likelihood of evidence being there at that point is beyond remote.

 

[katydid23]

Regarding the discussion of him not owning sheets and towels.

The search warrant was pretty specific. It did not direct anyone to seize "sheets and towels". They took certain bedding pieces (or cuttings) that had stains or evidently tested presumptive for blood.

You can't just go in and take items outside the scope of the warrant.

The assumption he had no sheets or towels is growing wings here when we have absolutely no idea what was left in his apartment vs what was legally seized in compliance with the search warrant.

JMO

Reportedly, BK's father helped him make the move by driving with him to his new apartment with his belongings. I doubt his father moved him in with no sheets or towels. JMO

 

[Dotta]

"The ex-boyfriend of Idaho murder victim Kaylee Goncalves has created an Instagram account paying tribute to their dog Murphy, who was inside the home during the quadruple homicide but was uninjured.

The account featuring sweet images of the goldendoodle appeared on Tuesday, and within a day had garnered more than 53,000 followers and scores of comments expressing sympathy and support."

Idaho victim Kaylee's dog Murphy gets his own Instagram account

The account featuring sweet images of the goldendoodle appeared on Tuesday, and within a day had garnered more than 53,000 followers and scores of comments expressing sympathy.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Snoop Sister]

I find the vehicle and phone data in the probable cause affadavit to be convincing. And that almost certainly is not all of what LE has. MOO.

BBM
Agreed. LE has held back info and evidence from almost the beginning of this case. I am confident that they are still holding back more info and significant evidence. BK is going to get his!

 

[scottishgal]

Is daily Mail link MSM / allowed to put here ?

There's some 'news' from today, dunno if its already been posted about here earlier

 

[pittsburghgirl]

IMO She is not on trial and does not have to justify why she didn't call the police at 4.30am. She went to bed so did not contaminate the crime scene that she didn't know existed. As to the next morning, I would think that the prosecution would want to establsih that the two surviving roommates and any friends who arrived did not inadvertantly contaminate either of the crime scenes so I would expect them to be called and cross examined over those points, but not to be grilled over the timing of the call to emergency services. MOO. Would a judge allow these potential witnesses to be questioned about why? Why - because we wanted to contaiminate the crime scene? MOO

It's not that she has to justify anything. It's that the defense will question what she did, why she did it, and what she's saying about that in order to discredit any reference to a guy that looks like BK being in the house at the time of the murders.

 

[persimm0n]

I just don't see them putting a lot of effort into the plumbing traps. This isn't a fresh crime they were investigating, this was 1 1/2 months after the fact on fixtures that were used for a solid month after the crimes. The likelihood of evidence being there at that point is beyond remote.

I agree, not to mention often times with this style of housing the plumbing can be shared. I manage a property with similar buildings and if the upstairs kitchen sink is clogged, it backs up the sink downstairs. If the upstairs tub is clogged, it'll back up the tub in the unit downstairs too. Not all shared housing is like this but many of them at least have some plumbing that will connect somewhere. Like a communal hot water tank. Especially now that we know the individual units don't have washers or dryers.

 

[gremlin444]

I was surprised at the amount of people who said they do this all the time. I’ve never put my trash in a neighbor’s bin, and it initially struck me as suspicious that he did so.

I think it all depends on how your neighborhood is laid out. I live right on the outskirts of Chicago, and our trash bins are collected in our alley. On the night before trash collection, there are at least 5 neighbor's trash bins within 30 feet of mine. In my neighborhood it is entirely normal to either text a neighbor to ask if you can or just go ahead and do it if it is late at night and you can see your neighbor has already brought out their trash and there is still space in theirs.

 

[jepop]

Defense will or should want to argue he wasn't there. It wasn't him. It was some othe person'sther guy. And even that guy might not have been there to kill people because the eyewitness didn't call police, etc.

I understand that defense will seek to discredit her description. She didn't recognise the person, she went to bed -that becomes the gist of her statement if defense show that it was too dark to credibly describe height, build, eyebrows and mask.. How would eye witness know he wasn't there to kill? Eyewitness saw a stranger, she can't be made to say that she didn't call the police because she knew he wasn't there to kill. To me that sounds absurd and I can't imagine a judge allowing that line of questioning but MOO

 

[YaYa_521]

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[Derph]

I was talking to my wife about this recently. Just imagine the amount of serial killers throughout the history of time. Just in the U.S. the late 1700s, 1800s, well into the 1900s who retired and died peacefully having perfected their craft. With their crimes likely never even linked.

Who's going to work on a Hollywood script with me about the team of FBI agents who hunt serial killers through time...until one of the serial killers flips the script and starts chasing them through time. With the shock twist ending....it was one of them all along!

Check out the 1979 movie Time After Time. The film is a science fiction/ thriller in which British author H.G. Wells uses his time machine to pursue Jack The Ripper into the 20th century. Been a long time since I've seen it but I think Jack The Ripper uses it and then Wells ends up chasing him through different periods of time. I might be a little off on the particulars but that's the gist of it. It was a pretty decent film if you're into that kind of thing.

 

[katydid23]

Dog may have barked before 4.17 and not heard by the 2nd floor roomate and not picked up on audio of camera (situated to north west of the house). The 4.17 audio recording refs repeated barking IIRC. Don't see much evidence of there being 'chaos' on the 3rd floor. OTOH, 3rd floor murders may have been very quick and relatively silent (which is the impression I get from the PCA evidence, or my interp of it anyway) so dog wasn't roused and didn't bark. Surviving second floor roomate heard voices & crying or something like it :-( from direction of XK's room and audio recorded a thud at 4.17. That suggests to me that the murders in XK's room were noisier than in MMs room. The dog was in room directly above XK's room. Maybe that's why the repeated barking is contemporaneous with that thud on the audio. The 2nd floor survivor may have heard some barking at some point, but if so this info is excluded from the PCA. MOO

Also, some shy or nervous dogs will hide when scary things are happening---then they will return to the area and begin barking wildly during the aftermath. My chihuahua was like that. We called him our 'after-watch' dog. May he RIP.

 

[10ofRods]

Yes, that is what I saw and to my mind I saw buying it, pulling off the hanging tag and tossing that in the bag.... I never thought of ripping the brand labeling tag off of the item....

People with sensory disorders (even mild ones) routinely take the tags off. If any of BK's online personae are really him, two of them mentioned sensory disorders (TapATalk and InsideLooking; not sure about Pappa Rodger).

Since I believe the TapATalk messages are verifiably BK's, it's possible he has a sensory disorder involving rough things touching his skin. There are whole lines of clothing for such people; entire brands have gone to less stiff/smaller/more removable inner tags. It would be interesting if it was that kind of tag, but of little evidentiary value at this point.

Black Diamond tag shoes have diamond pattern on sole.

But it's different than the Van's pattern, IMO. Van's has another version of that same sole, but it's still quite distinctive from Black Diamond (which is more like a diamond embossed sole). Black Diamond is also twice as expensive. They are a very nice shoe, though. IMO.

I just don't see them putting a lot of effort into the plumbing traps. This isn't a fresh crime they were investigating, this was 1 1/2 months after the fact on fixtures that were used for a solid month after the crimes. The likelihood of evidence being there at that point is beyond remote.

DNA persists for a long time. It's a pesky little molecule. It cannot be completely destroyed by bleach. Sink traps have gunky stuff in them. Blood cells with DNA love to settle into gunky stuff.

The technical term for the gunky stuff is "biofilm." A very well controlled experiment could, with DNA amplification, show DNA up to 36 days in experimental conditions. It's true that the time gap was longer than 36 days, but BK left his apartment around Dec 13, just one month after the killings. The biofilm didn't change after that, IMO.

So, maybe they did use the fancy retrieval device (which isn't so fancy and is now apparently part of all federal investigative kit) shown below. Here's the best article I can find on the matter:

DNA Persistence in a Sink Drain Environment

Biofilms are organized structures composed mainly of cells and extracellular polymeric substances produced by the constituent microorganisms. Ubiquitous in nature, biofilms have an innate ability to capture and retain passing material and may therefore ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Could they have taken that sample and not mentioned it? I don't think so. Chain of custody issues, IMO.

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[jepop]

It's not that she has to justify anything. It's that the defense will question what she did, why she did it, and what she's saying about that in order to discredit any reference to a guy that looks like BK being in the house at the time of the murders.

Defense can do that simply by showing that it was too dark, she was drunk or whatever. It's not what she did it's what she saw. MOO

 

[scottishgal]

Thanks 10ofRods, was this already posted and discussed ?

Bryan Kohberger 'messaged victim on INSTAGRAM before killings'

A new report indicates that suspected University of Idaho murderer Bryan Kohberger was 'persistent' in sending Instagram messaged to one of the victims in the weeks leading up to the attacks.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[YaYa_521]

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[gremlin444]

BBM. I think it's just speculation about the tag being from a mask/balaclava: We don't know that the tag is actually from a mask at this point. Just for clarity.

When I go to the Walmart site and search for what Dickies items they currently sell at either the Pullman or Moscow sites, the balaclava doesn't come up. The coverall suit is sold at both, but other than that it's primarily work pants and socks.

 

[ktm44]

This has always struck me as odd as well. Survivor D mentioned other sounds obviously in the house, but didn't mention hearing a dog barking or a thud. I believe those noises were not inside the house. (Great avatar and name btw; one of my faves!)

I believe that the survivor's full statement could have more infomation that was provided in the affidavit. The only thing included was a brief description that potentially linked a suspect to her line of sight.