That is an old article from 2018. New laws and regulations have been passed since that was written. There is a difference between implicated and convicted. DNA is just another tool to use during an investigation. In fact, the various "Innocent Project" orgs use dna to exonerate the wrongly accused.
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I agree.
MOO- either X or M was his server and introduced themselves as their server.
“Hi, my name is Maddie (or Xana) thank you for coming in today, what can I get you?”
Most servers at restaurants introduce themselves as common practice and it helps to be more personable as far as tips go.
I genuinely believe either X or M was his server in august, September or early October and simply by being nice and polite they attracted his attention which turned into obsession. Which turned deadly.
I wouldn’t be the least bit surprised if he discovered more about them by a simple google search of Mad Greek restaurant which has reviews. If you Google it and read the reviews KG , JS, B, J, all leave reviews for X and M on the public review comments. All of their last names were included with the review.
He could have figured out her last name at MG , first day meeting X or M while eating his Vegan pizza before he left.
Then began following them on social media after looking up the other friends names he found on the Google restaurant reviews. Many of their profiles were public. Quick search of KG who left a review and you can immediately find her on Instagram. See photos of M and X all over her profile , which he can immediately click on their names and begin following them. Scary how easy he could have figured out last names of X or M in a matter of minutes with just his phone.
Or …. It’s very possible that after developing his infatuation with either girl… upon meeting at MG …. he did what we know he did at the house. Watched, observed from a far.
It’s very likely his initial stalking of the victims began with M and X and watching from a far at MG. Could have Parked outside the restaurant and Watched and waited and followed them home. Which is how he learned where the girls lived.
I mean yes, Instagram photos show the house …. But I’m not sure if he acquired exact location of home from social media stalking.
If his infatuation began at the MG restaurant, for me personally… it’s just more likely he followed one of the girls home without them knowing to find out where they lived.
My personal theory on motive is a combination of two things at this point …. His obsession with crime and understanding the minds of violent , murderous criminals…. And his internal battle with his difficulty to have relationships /receive attention he desired from beautiful young woman.
I think his built up frustration over this inability to bond and develop relationships with woman reached its boiling point and when he cracked… he combined all that anger and frustration with his obsession with murder and crime.
Committing these crimes allowed him to act on his internal struggles and anger towards beautiful young women he felt rejected by and act out his crime fantasies while finally being able to truly understand the mind of the killers he was so unnaturally fascinated and obsessed with.
Again. All of what I said is completely my opinion. As always. I could very easily be wrong.
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Submit to whom?
They can do this in GEDMatch, is my understanding (a much smaller database than Ancestry or 23andme, but still has millions of mostly Americans in it).
One is breaking terms of service to do this with 23 or Ancestry. However, one can upload their own DNA under a fictitious name (at least as it appears on the website). Everyone is supposed to sign an agreement with these services, using their own legal name.
I still think the house was targeted but I know that a lot of people have focused on parental comments to the media about severity of wounds.
I don't believe BK has killed before which makes me think that his technique would have evolved as he progressed and it would have also been reflected in how his victims were situated and if they were fully asleep or not. His behaviour would also be affected by adrenaline.
To my way of thinking, probably yes. They probably had multiple items for testing, but picked one good obvious one and it popped up as Dad. No need to test the others at that time. (and I bet they are keeping the rest in an evidence locker, or whatever.)
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why did it take so long for them to decide how E was killed , if the others were concluded as stabbing by knife quickly.
and why was that page redacted from the PCA
and why was that page redacted from the PCA
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Why do you think it took them longer for Ethan? We have not seen the autopsies. All of the autopsy material was redacted from the original 72 page PCA.
Not just Ethan's. Ethan's CoD on his death certificate is the same as the other victims'. All four were stabbed to death:
The Cause of Death of the 4 Murdered Idaho College Students Confirmed by Coroner
A coroner in Idaho has confirmed that four University of Idaho students were stabbed to death earlier this week
I'm not sure where this rumor that it "took longer" for Ethan is coming from or that only Ethan's autopsy was redacted. So if you have links, I would sure like to see them and add them to my own notes.
Coroner announced CoD for all four on the same day. Which was before the autopsies were fully completed.
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Oh Hey 10 , hope you had a good friday (its almost over here in the UK)Why do you think it took them longer for Ethan? We have not seen the autopsies. All of the autopsy material was redacted from the original 72 page PCA.
Not just Ethan's. Ethan's CoD on his death certificate is the same as the other victims'. All four were stabbed to death:
The Cause of Death of the 4 Murdered Idaho College Students Confirmed by Coroner
A coroner in Idaho has confirmed that four University of Idaho students were stabbed to death earlier this weekpeople.com
I'm not sure where this rumor that it "took longer" for Ethan is coming from or that only Ethan's autopsy was redacted. So if you have links, I would sure like to see them and add them to my own notes.
Coroner announced CoD for all four on the same day. Which was before the autopsies were fully completed.
there was definitely some wording in the PCA to that effect, will dig it out now and post the wording here in a bit for you - something was definitely more complex with Es description from LE perspective
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His wounds were later determined to be caused by sharp force injuries. End of page 1, PCA. JMOWhy do you think it took them longer for Ethan? We have not seen the autopsies. All of the autopsy material was redacted from the original 72 page PCA.
Not just Ethan's. Ethan's CoD on his death certificate is the same as the other victims'. All four were stabbed to death:
The Cause of Death of the 4 Murdered Idaho College Students Confirmed by Coroner
A coroner in Idaho has confirmed that four University of Idaho students were stabbed to death earlier this week
I'm not sure where this rumor that it "took longer" for Ethan is coming from or that only Ethan's autopsy was redacted. So if you have links, I would sure like to see them and add them to my own notes.
Coroner announced CoD for all four on the same day. Which was before the autopsies were fully completed.
Stab Wounds? Sharp Force Injuries?
Speaking only to wording in above post, without reviewing S/W, one distinction between the two terms as I've seen other cases =
STAB WOUNDS suggest the weapon penetrates deeply into victim's flesh.
Perp holds knife, w fingers wrapped to form a fist around handle.
Suggests that perp begins attack w weapon in hand at a distance from the victim.
Thrust may be from perp's arm making an overhead swing, underhand swing, or sideways swing, resulting in substantial force, penetrating deeply into victims flesh.
Think:
Redirect Notice
SHARP FORCE Injuries suggest that w weapon in hand, perp starts attack w weapon already close to victim and runs it along/on top of the flesh, in a SLICING motion, not penetrating deeply. Typically a short-ish blade, maybe a short fixed blade knife, or a folding knife. Could be a utility or razor knife, or box-cutter. Even if wounds made w a short blade knife are not deep, the injuries can still be fatal.
KaBar or similar knife could inflict BOTH types of wounds/injuries.
ETA:
My post above assumes weapon is knife, rather than say broken glass.
ETA: Better explanation in link in my post, just a few downthread.
I cede to bigger, better brains in National Criminal Justice Reference Service (NCJRS).
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Speaking only to wording in above post, without reviewing S/W, one distinction between the two terms as I've seen other cases =
STAB WOUNDS suggest the weapon penetrates deeply into victim's flesh.
Perp holds knife, w fingers wrapped to form a fist around handle.
Suggests that perp begins attack w weapon in hand at a distance from the victim.
Thrust may be from perp's arm making an overhead swing, underhand swing, or sideways swing, resulting in substantial force, penetrating deeply into victims flesh.
Think:
Redirect Notice
SHARP FORCE Injuries suggest that w weapon in hand, perp starts attack w weapon already close to victim and runs it along/on top of the flesh, in a SLICING motion, not penetrating deeply. Typically a short-ish blade, maybe a short fixed blade knife, or a folding knife. Could be a utility or razor knife, or box-cutter. Even if wounds made w a short blade knife are not deep, the injuries can still be fatal.
KaBar or similar knife could inflict BOTH types of wounds/injuries.
ETA:
My post above assumes weapon is knife, rather than say broken glass.
ETA: Better explanation in link in my post, just a few downthread.
I cede to bigger, better brains in National Criminal Justice Reference Service (NCJRS).
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Early on it was established on this forum that the page was not redacted in the affadavit, there was just a blank page or something like that.
The wording to describe E in the PCA was somewhat different than the three girls, I thought too. Sharp-force vs stab wounds are likely similar, but why the different wording, and why did the ME have to determine E's injuries when LE could apparently identify the wounds on the girls on sight?
It very much makes me wonder if E was possibly situated in a manner where LE couldn't see his injuries clearly (I'm thinking maybe laying between the wall and the bed, or something like that).
Regarding the redacted page in the PCA, I believe that the second page on the originally published PCA was actually the back side of Page 1, and was empty. It was removed from the updated version.
What went on during the (presumably at this stage) 09 -12 minutes when he was actually in the house will almost definitely become much clearer down the road IMO....If he had one plan at 3.30am on Nov 13, did he execute it to the letter 4.07 to 4.17? Maybe, maybe not. If he did, then the target was all four, if he didn't then there is some other configuration unknown. I think you want to know is his initial plan? And that's something almost impossible to actually know right now? I do think when there is more info available, especially re crime scene, order of deaths, instagram DMS to whom (if at all), interactions at MG; whom he may have initially targetted will become clearer. Just my thoughts. I enjoy your posts.
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You can see the difference in the three statements here = only Es was 'later identified' nature of wounds and also only E is not mentioned as either on floor or bed.Why do you think it took them longer for Ethan? We have not seen the autopsies. All of the autopsy material was redacted from the original 72 page PCA.
Not just Ethan's. Ethan's CoD on his death certificate is the same as the other victims'. All four were stabbed to death:
The Cause of Death of the 4 Murdered Idaho College Students Confirmed by Coroner
A coroner in Idaho has confirmed that four University of Idaho students were stabbed to death earlier this week
I'm not sure where this rumor that it "took longer" for Ethan is coming from or that only Ethan's autopsy was redacted. So if you have links, I would sure like to see them and add them to my own notes.
Coroner announced CoD for all four on the same day. Which was before the autopsies were fully completed.
'As I approached the room, I could see a body, later identified as Kernodle's laying on the floor. Kernodle was deceased with wounds which appeared to have been caused by an edged weapon'
'Also in the room was a male later identified as Ethan Chapin, Chapin was also deceased with wounds later determined (autopsy report provided by CME dated 15 Dec 2022) to be caused by sharp force injuries.'
Then upstairs =
'As I entered this bedroom, I could see two females in the single bed in the room. Both G and M were deceased with visible stab wounds.'
Thanks! I enjoy your posts, as well, and I agree, the picture will become clearer as more information becomes available. And you're right, I do want to know his initial plan. In my mind, planning the murder of one person is vastly different than planning four. Single vs mass. Sort of random, but if the tapatalks were truly BK, even that many years ago, I kind of wonder if LE suspected he might kill himself if he knew they were coming for him, especially if he was in WA when they came for him.
Stab Wounds? Sharp Force Injuries?
Here's an authoritative source, explaining It better than my post:
Sharp Force Injury (From Medicolegal Investigation of Death ...https://www.ojp.gov › ncjrs › virtual-library › abstracts
"What are sharp force injuries vs stab wounds?
A sharp object thus cuts and divides the skin as it penetrates. A stab wound results from penetration of a pointed instrument into the depths of the body, causing a wound that is deeper than its length on the skin."
Here's an authoritative source, explaining It better than my post:
Sharp Force Injury (From Medicolegal Investigation of Death ...https://www.ojp.gov › ncjrs › virtual-library › abstracts
"What are sharp force injuries vs stab wounds?
A sharp object thus cuts and divides the skin as it penetrates. A stab wound results from penetration of a pointed instrument into the depths of the body, causing a wound that is deeper than its length on the skin."
Yes,you are right. Only Gedmatch and FTDNA are available for LE use. (And those companies have a seperate process regarding a LE query to make sure everything is prepared propperly, legal and court admissable, etc. In otherwords can stand up to scrutiny in a court of law.) If LE went into a home-testing database surrepticiously with suspect dna - that would blow any admissability for the courts. This kind of scenario was hammered out with legislation back in 2018 or 2019. Ancestry and 23 defend their databases vigorously.
Do people really think those companies accept touch dna, or blood, or semen in those test tubes you mail in??? LOL. No, they accept spit in a tube (a lot), or a cheek swab of saliva & cheek cells. LE on the other hand only has touch dna, trace dna, blood, semen, or saliva from a crime scene. So of course they have to prepare the dna samples differently for testing. The labs have to do that. You cant mail dried blood in a test tube and sneak it into a testing site.
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Just speculation, but perhaps E's throat was slit puncturing one of his arteries, which would cause him to bleed out within minutes, whereas M, K, and X all had apparent deep stab wounds. MOO
To me, based on the scant information we have, I infer MG was the target based on:
1. LE stated early that this was a targeted attack;
2. MG told people she was being stalked;
3. BK repeatedly tried to get a response from MG on her social media account; and
4. Unlike the other victims who were stabbed to death, MG was also mutilated.
I think it's a reasonable inference at this point, at least for purposes of this conversation.
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