ID - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered - Bryan Kohberger Arrested - Moscow # 68

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  • #681
Let's say it was the person's left foot. Well, then about a meter (more or less) before that print should be another one that is more visible. Perhaps the very last luminol latent print was that next one. But it's the one right outside DM's door, where the shoe had already lost its ability to leave blood visible to ordinary human vision.
Where did you see it was tested with Luminol? I have only seen in the PCA and SW that it was a latent print; never seen it confirmed or implied that it was bloody.

Personally, I'm shocked that it hasn't been referred to as being bloody (or maybe it has and I've missed it). How is that even possible? JMO
 
  • #682
A couple of pics that give a good perspective of 1122's location

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Most of the pictures - which are not in "sensational" - cost $500 and the videos are $3000-5000. All of the videos have been "public", but for many media outlets - it's cheaper to buy video and photos that someone else took than to fly to Idaho and shoot your own.
 
  • #683
The recent reply by management implies that the former employee was lying about BK visits to the restaurant.

Not to mention the "investigator familiar with the case" who apparently said that "law enforcement is aware of the restaurant visits" and have "collected surveillance video from the restaurant and surrounding businesses".
 
  • #684
The recent reply by management implies that the former employee was lying about BK visits to the restaurantwi
I saw that!
I'm not picking sides, myself. Former employee, maybe some bad blood there. Not my business. But either side could be right, with the distinct possibility that both sides remember it their own way.
 
  • #685
The recent reply by management implies that the former employee was lying about BK visits to the restaurant.
If you read the full statement it also implies they know more than they will say, right now at least. I fully expect there is more to the story there.
 
  • #686
Just my opinion :

I’m thinking that possibly the DNA linking BK to his his dad is Y-DNA.

Thinking out loud
 
  • #687
Stalking is pretty specific, and it usually takes very accurate documentation to make an accusation, let alone make it stick. So, facts are important. IIRC, there was someone who established that he had not been following any of them at the time of his arrest so all of the accounts are fakes. He may have been stalking, but not that way.

The instagram messages are not substantiated at this point, so I'm not considering them in my own list of facts.

The 12 pings in the area ARE interesting and I'm waiting to see where that actually locates a person.

It's interesting that there was no one who could remember him at that restaurant for a long time and then suddenly they can. I wonder what jogged their memory.
50 paper pictures of George Washington ?

Just my speculation ;)
 
  • #688
MOO - The no blood trail in the post above this also perplexes me.

Especially given DM saw him walk out the house through the sliding glass door, presumably right after the attacks on 4 people!… Had he wiped his feet down before leaving the last victims room?

It just doesn’t make sense to me…. Unless they did have somewhat of a blood trail and just have yet to release that information to the public?
I didn't see any evidence markers outside on the porch or in the front driveway. I did not see the dog alert in the brief video published and I think if the cameras saw an alert, it would have been widely reported. JMO I don't think the press could see what was happening behind and to the left of the house though, so maybe they had some blood trail back that way? Also thinking he must have wiped the knife down. In the beginning, I thought he entered through the window, but that can't be true now because DM was in that room. If he walked out the sliding door with blood on the tread of a shoe, there should be something on that concrete IMO. Maybe he had booties on that he removed before exiting or if no booties, slipped his shoes off? Then how did he carry the booties/shoes. Still perplexed here so waiting for the prelim hearing evidence. ALL JMO
*snipped for focus*

A latent print does not mean it was a bloody print. A latent print means it was one not seen by the naked eye.

Additionally, I don't recall seeing (though I may have missed it) that they tested it with Luminol and is showing any traces of blood.

No they used Amido black to visualize bloodstain pattern. More sensitive than luminol. Pg 5 PCA

 
  • #689
Where did you see it was tested with Luminol? I have only seen in the PCA and SW that it was a latent print; never seen it confirmed or implied that it was bloody.

Personally, I'm shocked that it hasn't been referred to as being bloody (or maybe it has and I've missed it). How is that even possible? JMO
It was tested with amido black. The PCA had a few details.


Where did you see it was tested with Luminol? I have only seen in the PCA and SW that it was a latent print; never seen it confirmed or implied that it was bloody.

Personally, I'm shocked that it hasn't been referred to as being bloody (or maybe it has and I've missed it). How is that even possible? JMO
 
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Kohberger, who was pursuing a PhD in criminal justice at Washington State University at the time of the killings, "cleaned his car, inside and outside, not missing an inch," according to the law enforcement source.

Why did he wait until he got to his family home to clean the vehicle? Crazy.
 
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Why did he wait until he got to his family home to clean the vehicle? Crazy.
My guess is he cleaned it out from the night of the murders way before and this cleaning was done cuz of the cross-country trip he & his dad took. JMO
 
  • #694
Just my opinion :

I’m thinking that possibly the DNA linking BK to his his dad is Y-DNA.

Thinking out loud
Yes, it is what is used to test paternity.
It is also used to test for a male presence at a crime seen. As only males have Y-DNA
 
  • #695
Considering how the Mad Greek owner has been harassed, I am so glad that the names of the friends who were first on scene hasn't been "leaked".
 
  • #696
Why did he wait until he got to his family home to clean the vehicle? Crazy.
Woah. I just had a thought.
Maybe he was freaking out because of the traffic stops; what was it? Two stops within 10-20 minutes?
JMO
Maybe he wasn't in Idaho and couldn't drive around and see where the LE and news crews were. He wasn't around the crime anymore. He had been stopped twice within a short amount of time, and he was alone with his parents doing Christmas and new year traditional family stuff and just started to get paranoid.

I'm obviously wholly speculating and it s all just my opinion but the scenario came to me and so you get to hear it :)
 
  • #697
No they used Amido black to visualize bloodstain pattern. More sensitive than luminol. Pg 5 PCA
Correct. Technically Amido Black isn't used to detect the possible presence of blood at all. It is used as a protein stain to visualze prints. According to the PCA, the Amido Black was used after an unidentified presumptive test. One such presumptive test is Luminol, but there are a few others (Kastle-Meyer, LMG, Fluorescein).

Sources can be found here and here.
 
  • #698
Ok this is really nitpicky, but DM didn’t see BK walk out of the house. She saw him walk in the direction where the sliding glass door is in the kitchen, according to affidavit.
I had to go back to the photo thread to check the layout again. The house layout is confusing. The only way out in that direction is the sliding door, the stairs to the first level are in the living room.

I wanted to add, I noticed the photo thread has images of Ethan, Xana, Madison, and Kaylee first, love that.

Correct. Technically Amido Black isn't used to detect the possible presence of blood at all. It is used as a protein stain to visualze prints. According to the PCA, the Amido Black was used after an unidentified presumptive test. One such presumptive test is Luminol, but there are a few others (Kastle-Meyer, LMG, Fluorescein).

Sources can be found here and here.
Amido black does detect protein, the protein in blood to enhance a pattern. It is better for photographing.
The PCA did say that a presumptive test for blood was done prior to amido black. pg 5


edit added about the presumptive test and link to PCA
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  • #699
Did Casey testify? I can't remember. Maybe her testimony was considered "evidence."
No, she did not testify. AFAIK anything goes in opening/closing statements. Juries are instructed not to consider those in deciding the case.
 
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  • #700
When did the DAD purchase the airline tickets?
 
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