ID - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered - Bryan Kohberger Arrested - Moscow # 68

[Firstsnow4]

Not sure what to think of this but I find it concerning as it throws doubt toward cell tower data:

The affidavit states that on November 13, the day of the killings, Kohberger's cellphone number pinged a cell tower near his apartment at 1630 Northeast Valley Road at 2:42 a.m. At 2:44 a.m., Kohberger was seen on surveillance footage from Washington State University "traveling north on southeast Nevada Street at northeast Stadium Way."

However, Newsweek drove from Kohberger's residence to the street listed in the affidavit, and the trip took just over seven minutes. Other possible routes shown on Google Maps have estimated times of seven to eight minutes.

I was just looking at the timeline again and Google maps. It’s interesting to me that he was travelling north on SE Nevada street at 2.44am (away from 270 highway that would take him into Moscow) and then south on the same road at 2.53am. Then I looked at the phone pings and noticed that the phone lost service / was turned off at 2.47am right in between those two times. I wonder whether BK set out on route to Moscow, realised he had forgotten to switch his phone off (to prevent a digital forensic trail) so turned back, stopped his car and turned his phone off, then went back south again on SE Nevada street towards 270 highway. JMO.

 

[Curiosa20]

Has it even been confirmed he had OCD? I thought the only reference came from the aunt regarding the separate pots and pans. I took it as her casual way to describe how strict he was about his diet: “He was really OCD about everything being vegan, he even demanded separate pots and pans”

No it hasn’t. Zero, zip relating to any predisposed conditions has been confirmed or denied.

 

[Curiosa20]

All hearsay at this point, and with the extended gag order in place, I expect things to be quiet until June 26th.

I take mainstream media articles citing undisclosed sources with a grain of salt. They thrive on sensationalism. MOO

I would beg to disagree. With the gag order, rightfully being challenged in court, eunor and innuendo will abound.
At the same time. hopefully, more anecdotal or background information will become available.
Otherwise, we are at the mercy of clicbait. IMO

 

[Nila Aella]

There was something I saw the other night, about foot wear, it was called solesearch

I think it is called SoleMate. They probably have multiple databases though. JMO

https://www.forensicsciencesimplified.org/fwtt/FootwearTireTracks.pdf

Forensic Databases: Paint, Shoe Prints, and Beyond

A detective working a missing persons case undoubtedly knows how to make the most of databases such as the Combined DNA Index System (CODIS) and the Integrated Automated Fingerprint Identification System (IAFIS), but does he or she know how to investigate a paint chip, a tire track, an ink...

nij.ojp.gov

Footwear, The Missed Evidence

In almost every criminal investigation it is necessary to determine and prove that a particular person or persons may or may not have been present at the scene of a crime. For this reason, the collection, preservation and analysis of physical evidence has become more frequent in the law...

www.crime-scene-investigator.net

edit: Soul Mate changed to SoleMate lol

 

[Tillyjames]

Has it even been confirmed he had OCD? I thought the only reference came from the aunt regarding the separate pots and pans. I took it as her casual way to describe how strict he was about his diet: “He was really OCD about everything being vegan, he even demanded separate pots and pans”

Never confirmed. And people use OCD like that all the time when it’s not so simple. Unless someone is diagnosed with it, people really misuse the word as it is a serious diagnosis.

 

[PrairieWind]

All hearsay at this point, and with the extended gag order in place, I expect things to be quiet until June 26th.

I take mainstream media articles citing undisclosed sources with a grain of salt. They thrive on sensationalism. MOO

I agree to a large part. The constant resort to "unnamed sources leaves me skeptical. Often times reporters make a statement and then cite "sources say." Reporters frequently cite Twitter or other social media. Everyone should read with skepticism and engage in critical thinking..

 

[LAHOLLA]

I would beg to disagree. With the gag order, rightfully being challenged in court, eunor and innuendo will abound.
At the same time. hopefully, more anecdotal or background information will become available.
Otherwise, we are at the mercy of clicbait. IMO

I tend to agree. This case is huge and the absence of official information isn't going to stop people from reporting it. They are just going to dig up more questionable sources.

There are still plenty of people who believe everything they read.

 

[Curiosa20]

It seems to be directed at lawyers, jmo.
And while LeBar may not be a member of the Idaho Bar and cannot be sanctioned by an Idaho judge, she could file an ethics complaint with the PA Bar if he keeps giving information to the public that he is privy to due to his attorney/client privilege with the defendant, putting a fair trial at risk including interfering with the possibility of seating an impartial jury.
The other person this is directed to, in my opinion, is Shannon Grey.
The justice system needs to be allowed to do its job without outside influence that could effect witnesses testimony, or interfere with the jury and trial. Jmo.

I am oblivious to any statements that LaBar has made that put a fair trial at risk.
Would you mind citing?

 

[layer]

Delay, deny, deflect IMO

Just remember, the prosecution asked for the preliminary hearing to be put off even longer. Are they delaying, denying, and deflecting?

 

[bonniejeanne17]

It just feels like they are taking someone like SG, someone who has been victimized in the most horrific way possible, and re-victimizing him by robbing him of his constitutional right to speak.

I'm all in favor of protecting the rights of the accused, probably more than most people on here are. But shouldn't the rights of victims be protected as well?

What person in his right mind would dare to prosecute S.G. for speaking out on behalf of his murdered daughter? He/ she would immediately become the worst villain in Idaho, in the court of public opinion.

 

[Curiosa20]

I live in Moscow and let me just tell you this is not a vegan friendly town. I have been vegan, and most people who do so initially trying not to kill animals in order to eat daily for a variety of reasons (not looking to be controversial just stating the facts).

When you first sign on to something like this it takes a lot of dedication and having a principled reason for doing so actually helps reinforce each and every decision that you place into your mouth. Some vegans do so for health reason others are vegetarians trying to clean up their dairy laden diets.

Humans are complicated and full of contradiction, so is quite possible he was was avoiding an urge for a very long time before deciding to be a murderer. Perhaps veganism served this purpose as well, philosophically. A vegan (or vegetarian) would not say it's okay to kill humans but object to animal consumption. Inherently, that is ridiculous.

I do find it pretty peculiar that somebody who would be vegan-minded would decide to murder four students that they got hyper-focused on for reasons that are probably related to their own personal (entitlement) issues. It goes against being a vegan in every possible way you can think. A lot of the world is vegetarian and for a very simplistic life-approach reasons. When you murder a human, you have complicated absolutely everything.

JMOO

Well said, @Chloegirl . Thank you and welcome!

 

[bonniejeanne17]

It just feels like they are taking someone like SG, someone who has been victimized in the most horrific way possible, and re-victimizing him by robbing him of his constitutional right to speak.

I'm all in favor of protecting the rights of the accused, probably more than most people on here are. But shouldn't the rights of victims be protected as well?

What person in his right mind would dare to prosecute S.G. for speaking out on behalf of his murdered daughter? He/ she would immediately become the worst villain in Idaho, in the court of public opinion.

 

[cottonweaver]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1616549342642569216

As much as it would satisfy my personal curiosity to get a running commentary from ISP & MPD investigators, the Prosecutor and all the State's ' agents' I can see why the judge is getting frustrated.

Ultimately I'd rather see a fair trial and a conviction which sticks.

 

[Boodles]

If you were a former employee, would you want to be dragged into this mess, not knowing if there could be danger to yourself, , or might you offer what you knew anonymously, to be a good citizen? <modsnip - rumor>

Do yo think he was eliminating witnesses he thought could identify him?

They said the match between Bk and his dad by dna, was 99.8 percent% accurate.

Not to nitpick or split hairs, but: “At least 99.9998% of the male population would be expected to be excluded from the possibility of being the suspect’s biological father…”. That’s a 2 person out of a million possible inclusion.

A little stronger than 99.8%

 

[danablue1]

I live in Moscow and let me just tell you this is not a vegan friendly town. I have been vegan, and most people who do so initially trying not to kill animals in order to eat daily for a variety of reasons (not looking to be controversial just stating the facts).

When you first sign on to something like this it takes a lot of dedication and having a principled reason for doing so actually helps reinforce each and every decision that you place into your mouth. Some vegans do so for health reason others are vegetarians trying to clean up their dairy laden diets.

Humans are complicated and full of contradiction, so is quite possible he was was avoiding an urge for a very long time before deciding to be a murderer. Perhaps veganism served this purpose as well, philosophically. A vegan (or vegetarian) would not say it's okay to kill humans but object to animal consumption. Inherently, that is ridiculous.

I do find it pretty peculiar that somebody who would be vegan-minded would decide to murder four students that they got hyper-focused on for reasons that are probably related to their own personal (entitlement) issues. It goes against being a vegan in every possible way you can think. A lot of the world is vegetarian and for a very simplistic life-approach reasons. When you murder a human, you have complicated absolutely everything.

JMOO

To me, based on the scant information we have, I infer MG was the target based on:

1. LE stated early that this was a targeted attack;

2. MG told people she was being stalked;

3. BK repeatedly tried to get a response from MG on her social media account; and

4. Unlike the other victims who were stabbed to death, MG was also mutilated.

I think it's a reasonable inference at this point, at least for purposes of this conversation.

You mean KG?

 

[Walela]

What person in his right mind would dare to prosecute S.G. for speaking out on behalf of his murdered daughter? He/ she would immediately become the worst villain in Idaho, in the court of public opinion.

Maybe we all should start referring to Kaylee's dad as Mr. G so we don't get confused with Mr. G's attorney SG (Shannon Grey).
jmo

 

[isabella88]

Just remember, the prosecution asked for the preliminary hearing to be put off even longer. Are they delaying, denying, and deflecting?

Trying to follow this convo but I'm having trouble, because WS. Not sure what you mean. BK waived his right to a speedy trial. Both sides probably welcome that decision. I missed where the prosecution asked for that outcome.

 

[cottonweaver]

What person in his right mind would dare to prosecute S.G. for speaking out on behalf of his murdered daughter? He/ she would immediately become the worst villain in Idaho, in the court of public opinion.

As far as I know, the gag order doesn't stop any of the victim's parents speaking about their children in the press.
( only prohibits releasing any case info which would interfere ability to get a fair trial, whether directly or via a lawyer)

 

[layer]

What person in his right mind would dare to prosecute S.G. for speaking out on behalf of his murdered daughter? He/ she would immediately become the worst villain in Idaho, in the court of public opinion.

The problem is, like in Delphi, law abiding people tend to obey the law. There hasn't been a peep from the victim's families there since the gag order was enacted.

 

[bonniejeanne17]

Just remember, the prosecution asked for the preliminary hearing to be put off even longer. Are they delaying, denying, and deflecting?

Of course they are. Standard Operating Procedure.