ID - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered - Bryan Kohberger Arrested - Moscow # 69

[beaaspears]

Idaho murders victim Kaylee Goncalves had reported possible missing woman sighting to police

Slain University of Idaho student Kaylee Goncalves closely followed true crime and missing persons news and once reported a sighting of a woman who vanished.

www.foxnews.com

Gosh, watching the body cam footages makes me want to cry. Like it's video evidence of their life. We discuss about their murders and sometimes I even forget they were actually real human beings. So devastating!!

K was such a beautiful girl as shown in this footage. Gosh darn it!! I really hope he pays for what he did

 

[r3d-ros3]

I meant at the end of his studies in criminology. The Google machine says a Ph.D. in criminology should take 3-4 years. But I can see where you are coming from - he did have a ways to go, but he was closer to the finish line than the beginning if that makes sense.

IMO, this is certainly not true -- he was a first semester, first year PhD student. He had yet to finish his coursework, take any exams, or propose / begin writing a dissertation. I see where you're coming from because the program can take less time than other doctoral degrees, but he was absolutely brand new to PhD studies.

I will concede, though, that having an MA degree in your field before starting a PhD can put you a bit ahead of your classmates insofar as you have experience with graduate coursework and maybe even teaching. It didn't sound like he TA'd during his MA, though, and sources suggest he was struggling with his TA work and responsibilities.

I only respond because, like others here, I wonder if his "poor performance" at WSU contributed to or reinforced insecurities he had about himself, which could have been a "trigger" for him, so to speak. He might have expected to be very successful very quickly: find a social group, succeed and be praised for his TA performance, and excel in his studies. However, we know that his graduate student peers did not like him and he was struggling as a TA. We have yet to hear from any current close friends of BK, but I am hopeful that is only because LE have talked to them and they have not gone to the media. On the other hand, it could mean he was also struggling to make friends / connections in Pullman. Again, all IMO.

 

[Palinsmom]

Discrepancies? King-Queen; Street-Road?

snipped for focus @jepop Thank you for being so attentive re these (small-ish?) matters which can morph into major issues of evd at trial.
Jumping off ^ your post, other poss. discrepancy:

ADDRESS.
I did not see deed for prop, but
IIRC, per Latah Co. website (appraiser or collector):... 1122 King ROAD
From zillow.com & other realty websites:..................1122 King ROAD.
Various MSM reports:.......................................... 1122 King STREET.
Wait a sec, does PCA say ......................................1122 King STREET?
^ If so, likely inconsequential at this trial.

Still in a search or arrest warrant, a simple address error-OOPSIE can lead LE to wrong home and for everything after first tap on door to go SIDEWAYS. Just sayin'.
imo jmo moo
ETA clarification.

I have been trying to find a link to something I had heard early on that the King/Queen confusion or mixup started after the addition was added to the house and changed the location of the ‘front’ Or entry door. I think even in one of the noise complaints on MPD body cam footage both names were used if I remember correctly

 

[Palinsmom]

Without getting into the details, a large knife like that, used in certain areas of the body (aorta, jugular vein, etc), it can be very very quick, and totally disabling. It literally can take just seconds to one or two minutes....

True.

Also, collapsed lungs equals no air. No air equals no scream

 

[ktm44]

Good points. I think he (BK) took some injuries to his head during the killings when one or all four of the victims fought him, and if those are blood stains on the bedding in his apartment, they came from his wounds and so he wouldn't be too worried about leaving his own bloodstains.

When he was first arrested the photos of him I saw (and OP commented on) showed some residual deep bruising around his eyes, which I believe was from injuries he sustained when he got bashed full on in his face/forehead area with some force by one or more of the victims.

He could easily have had some ongoing trauma to deal with such as nosebleeds or damage to the septum or a mild concussion that are slow to heal that he was still recovering from when he was arrested.

As far as returning to classes after the murders and other students saying he seemed or looked normal (but was unusually quiet?), he could have covered up any obvious injuries/bruising with cosmetics, and kept to himself so no one would look too closely at his appearance.

Just my theory that I'm sticking to -- he did not get away with these four brutal murders physically unscathed.


JMOO

Your theory has as much value as anyone else's does but I don't think there's much chance he sustained many injuries. His victims were relaxing or asleep in familiar surroundings so there were unlikely armed nor would they have had much, if any opportunity to find a makeshift weapon.

Given his size, his reach would have been longer than the women's and then you need to factor in a 7" increase in his reach for the his blade.

There has been discussion about defensive wounds but defensive wounds are generally reflex or reactive type wounds, given his size advantage and the element of surprise, I honestly don't exect he had much physical damage although my fondest home is that one of the two girls sleeping together managed to capture some DNA under her fingernails.

 

[Gemmie]

I have been trying to find a link to something I had heard early on that the King/Queen confusion or mixup started after the addition was added to the house and changed the location of the ‘front’ Or entry door. I think even in one of the noise complaints on MPD body cam footage both names were used if I remember correctly

I can't answer your question about a confusion or mixup, but had noticed a while back that the house is on Queen Street according to Google maps, but the address is King Rd. Perhaps King was there first, then they added Queen and the city left the address King Rd? Or maybe you are right about location of their front door moving. Either way I find it odd.

1122 King Rd · 1122 King Rd, Moscow, ID 83843

Building

www.google.com

 

[Boxer]

Well, late October 2022. I was a TA and a Research Fellow; I also supervised TAs. In our department, we didn't expose grad students to the criticism of the undergraduates they graded. If there were problems of this magnitude, the TA was first given support and then, if things didn't change, he was removed. All the professor has to do was grade a handful of assignments and adjust the class's grades upward to show BK how to do it--or better, regrade the papers himself or herself and then review them with BK. I'm actually shocked. Putting aside any consideration of why BK would be harsh with students, what happened, if this is true, is very unprofessional. Given what we know about BK, this could have been a moment that was so humiliating that he gave up on the Ph.D. program. In a university department, word about this would have gotten around--"BK is a problem grad student." It's not uncommon for TAs to be off target in terms of grading. It's hard to know what a professor would say. But professional humiliation is not the remedy.

Agree. When i first heard this I was shocked.
Exactly as you say, he actually needed help.
If he wouldn’t listen to the professor’s feedback and adjust the grades then, yes, being a TA was not for him.

MOO I feel the prof must have tried to talk to him but he wasn’t open to feedback and as a last ditch before the steps for his removal we were set in motion they tried getting him some raw feedback from the class.

MOO, Notice his own master program prof allowed to write a “narrative” about his criminal thinking survey that he said he would conduct, but then didn’t, by his own failing to leave himself enough time process the data.

MOO, so he was treated kindly by a professor with the power to fail him for late work and then turned around and burned the undergrads assigned to him when he had the power.

 

[General wooster]

The article's headline is somewhat misleading.
It says "... search warrant found less evidence than expected, expert says."
However, the article only says that the "expert" former FBI agent Jennifer Coffindaffer, expected more evidence--not the actual investigators on the case.

And, evidence is still developing….

 

[pittsburghgirl]

I meant at the end of his studies in criminology. The Google machine says a Ph.D. in criminology should take 3-4 years. But I can see where you are coming from - he did have a ways to go, but he was closer to the finish line than the beginning if that makes sense.

He had just started!

 

[I'm Nobody]

IMO: a fundraiser could be started to buy the house and property, tear-it-down, start a holy, sacred space with beautiful gardens to lovingIdaho4. This effort happened when the space-shuttle blew apart (teacher Sharon Christa McAuliffe ) and the entire crew died. The garden and artwork, is magnificent and very respectful. Peaceful and love filled.

RE: 1122 house

Interesting article on Realtor about murder houses below and 1122 in particular. This quote from that article near the bottom has me questioning my belief that the killer targeted only residents at 1122. There are so many rentals in that area, maybe he had a list of victims or a victim type. Revisited Leopold and Loeb, 1924 thrill killers who also left something behind at crime scene. The L&L victim was not their intended victim but opportunity knocked. IMO BK had no idea he'd have to kill 4 people that night. Was BK a hunter? Where did he practice using the knife? How did he not cut himself from a blood slippery knife? I can't believe BK was that lucky.

"The neighborhood is loud. It’s definitely a party area,” says Alteneder. Many of the homes in the area are carved up into rentals with some becoming overflow housing for students who don’t live in their Greek houses. “The neighborhood was nicknamed ‘Fratlantis.”

What Will Happen to the Idaho Home Where 4 College Students Were Murdered?

The future of the Idaho house where four University of Idaho students were murdered remains uncertain. This is what typically happens.

www.realtor.com

 

[Zella]

However, we know that his graduate student peers did not like him and he was struggling as a TA. We have yet to hear from any current close friends of BK, but I am hopeful that is only because LE have talked to them and they have not gone to the media. On the other hand, it could mean he was also struggling to make friends / connections in Pullman. Again, all IMO.

Yes it seems like his social interactions with the neighbors tended to be quite exuberant by his standards and seemed to weird quite a few of them out.

I'm thinking he didn't make any friends among his classmates or fellow TAs--in my experience, they're a much more likely and immediate source of potential friendship in grad school than neighbors--and he may have started to feel cornered and desperate as it was made clear his classmates didn't like him, his students revolted, and his professor made a point of publicly humiliating him. MOO

That's nobody's fault but his and one's response to that shouldn't be a quadruple murder, but I could see him envisioning the move to Washington State as a fresh start, away from his baggage back home in PA, and then being furious and frustrated when the whole thing seemed to collapse on top of him already in the first semester.

 

[Palinsmom]

I'm sorry. I feel like I should be, but I'm not following you.

My first thought to the comment was blood belonging to someone OTHER THAN KG MM X or E. As well as no BK.

Meaning a 6th unknown individual .

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

Why is the MP owner's account more valuable than the PCA and LE sources et al? We can all decide what to believe.

What do you mean about the PCA or LE? Where am I discounting what the PCA or LE said? <modsnip: debating credibility of sources>

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[BeginnerSleuther]

You can get dog hair on you without touching a dog. Doodles don't shed as much as other breeds, but it doesn't take much to get one stray pet hair on ones' clothing or belongings.

I understand. I was responding to a poster saying BK might have put his bloody hand on the dog.

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

I respectfully disagree. Depending on how the timeline proves out, it could provide a foundation for how he originally came into contact with them. For example: Let's say he ate there on August 5th and again on August 12th and the girls were working both nights, or really either night. There is a good chance they have evidence that he researched them and then the nocturnal visits began after that. A timeline anything like that will look very ugly for him. MOOooo

But then why didn't he ever go back after 8/12? Why didn't he talk to them? Why didn't he talk to anyone else there? The one person willing to come forward anonymously, seems to indicate he came there just to pick up a pizza, not really to hang around.

That's what I mean, even if he ate there, I don't believe it proves stalking because it can easily be explained/discounted, regardless of what came after it. Now, if he had been there 20 times, was talking to people about the girls, was lurking in the parking lot when the girls got off work, etc, that's different.

All the above MOO.

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

Referring to the part BBM:

Hi! This is my first post here, so I hope I’m formatting this correctly, but I just wanted to say thank you for saying this/wording it the way you did.



Whenever I see people saying “his phone pinged at the house 12 times before the murders!!” I cringe and die a little inside because that’s… not at all what the PCA said. But as always, the MSM took that and ran with it and it’s a damn shame, because this idea that his phone was pinged literally AT the 1122 King Road residence 12 times prior to the murders has not been proven to be true. Rather, that was simply the conclusion that LE chose to draw from their interpretation of the cell tower data.

MOO, but until we see GPS data from the phone, I think basing any location information or anything related to BK’s whereabouts at any given point in time on cell data alone would be grossly irresponsible.

Buuut yeah, idk why I’m rambling all of this to you, seeing as we both seem to be in agreement on this issue. I guess I just wanted to make a post to say I appreciate you and many others on here that stick to the facts of the case ONLY. So thank you!

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And thank YOU for taking the time to say that and make this post. Welcome! Hope you stick around!

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

It definitely could be -- the MSM story it is from quoted a student that was in one of the classes that BK worked as a TA, so unless the student is making it up, I tend to believe it (although certainly the student could be exaggerating or left out key details). It's very unprofessional of the professor, though, if it did happen. Definitely not the way to handle a first-year TA's mistakes. IMO.

I don't know how brutal grad school is, but in medicine, this wouldn't even make a top 10 list of worst things that happens to med students or (especially) new interns. I say that to suggest that not all graduate fields of study are treated equal, so while it may have been frowned upon in some programs, it sounds like a very plausible occurrence to me.

 

[r3d-ros3]

I don't know how brutal grad school is, but in medicine, this wouldn't even make a top 10 list of worst things that happens to med students or (especially) new interns. I say that to suggest that not all graduate fields of study are treated equal, so while it may have been frowned upon in some programs, it sounds like a very plausible occurrence to me.

That makes sense and I agree that it probably varies based on the field of study. IMO, making a first-year graduate student TA stand up in front of a class full of undergraduates to answer for their severe grading seems totally uncalled for in the social sciences or humanities. The professor probably could have saved it for a private conversation, and could have been as serious as they imagined the matter warranted. I definitely believe that med school and residencies / internships seem like a different ball game (and dare I say, one with higher stakes? I say this as a PhD in a humanities field).

I think for me it's just the combination of being a first year student and having little / no experience teaching undergrads that makes it seem inappropriate and potentially soul crushing. An issue like severe grading could be handled privately and the situation remedied, without the professor making the TA look and feel stupid. It would be a professional courtesy for someone who is just entering the profession and might make mistakes.

Apologies for belaboring the point, but I feel like it could end up being significant. All IMO.

Edit to say -- I also think it's worth mentioning that the student quoted could have left out important details. It could have been a less hostile situation where the prof simply said: many of you have questions about your grade, so I thought I'd let BK respond to some of your concerns. This would make sense to me, IMO.

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

That makes sense and I agree that it probably varies based on the field of study. IMO, making a first-year graduate student TA stand up in front of a class full of undergraduates to answer for their severe grading seems totally uncalled for in the social sciences or humanities. The professor probably could have saved it for a private conversation, and could have been as serious as they imagined the matter warranted. I definitely believe that med school and residencies / internships seem like a different ball game (and dare I say, one with higher stakes? I say this as a PhD in a humanities field).

I think for me it's just the combination of being a first year student and having little / no experience teaching undergrads that makes it seem inappropriate and potentially soul crushing. An issue like severe grading could be handled privately and the situation remedied, without the professor making the TA look and feel stupid. It would be a professional courtesy for someone who is just entering the profession and might make mistakes.

Apologies for belaboring the point, but I feel like it could end up being significant. All IMO.

Oh, I totally agree with you. Even in medicine, I would say it's inappropriate. My point is just that it does happen. If this happened, I do think it was inappropriate and as you said, soul-crushing. It does stand to reason that it could be one more piece to explain his personality. Professional bullying and humiliation is difficult to cope with.

 

[Nila Aella]

That makes sense and I agree that it probably varies based on the field of study. IMO, making a first-year graduate student TA stand up in front of a class full of undergraduates to answer for their severe grading seems totally uncalled for in the social sciences or humanities. The professor probably could have saved it for a private conversation, and could have been as serious as they imagined the matter warranted. I definitely believe that med school and residencies / internships seem like a different ball game (and dare I say, one with higher stakes? I say this as a PhD in a humanities field).

I think for me it's just the combination of being a first year student and having little / no experience teaching undergrads that makes it seem inappropriate and potentially soul crushing. An issue like severe grading could be handled privately and the situation remedied, without the professor making the TA look and feel stupid. It would be a professional courtesy for someone who is just entering the profession and might make mistakes.

Apologies for belaboring the point, but I feel like it could end up being significant. All IMO.

Edit to say -- I also think it's worth mentioning that the student quoted could have left out important details. It could have been a less hostile situation where the prof simply said: many of you have questions about your grade, so I thought I'd let BK respond to some of your concerns. This would make sense to me, IMO.

Was it ever stated how many undergrads were in this class? Just curious. MOO