ID - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered - Bryan Kohberger Arrested - Moscow # 69

[jepop]

For crying out loud...Is that another "typo" in the PCA. I think the PCA as a whole is an amazingly detailed document and certainly demonstrates probable cause, but the defense are surely going to pounce on these mistakes and try to put the whole thing into question, or at least the competence of the writer? I've read the un-paywalled NYT article and there seems to be no doubt that BK actually applied for the internship in April (on-line not in person) whilst he was still at De Sales (sp?) but intending to go to WSU. Very disappointing if the PCA got this wrong. MOO

ETA to self: retracting BBM above. The emailing in April doesn't have to be synonymous with when he actually applied for the internship. No longer able to edit post.

 

[GoBuckeyes]

I've seen her say that, but it makes me seriously question her competence and the rigor of the program if she thinks it's acceptable for him to be conducting research that late in the thesis process. MOO

Everything about this crime should make us all question the rigor of the program. MOO

 

[jepop]

Reply to self: Typos or amateur inaccuracies in PCA, detected to date: At one point King Street mentioned instead on Queen Street; Applied for internship in "the fall" (infact I believe applied in April (Spring) per NYT -see above for source); Johnson ID is mentioned when, according to many posters here, that should be Johnson WA (others will have to speak to this).

I don't for one minute believe there is anything sinister in these inaccuracies. To me they are just the result of incompetence by the writer MOO. But what will the Defense do with this, to undermine LE? I'm just really annoyed that a document as important as a PCA should contain such errors. I think it should have been checked and double checked with a fine toothed comb before going before a Judge. MOO

REply reply to self: I'm retracting the bolded above. The emails in April re internship at PPD are not at all necessarily contradictory with BK actually applying for the Internship in Fall. Another poster rightfully corrected me on this. I hate typos/small inaccuracies in official docs (re two inaccuracies pre-mentioned) and got all flustered and mistaken re the fall ref due to this bias! (unable to edit to correct my posts).

 

[WingsOverTX]

Everything about this crime should make us all question the rigor of the program. MOO

Why? BK's choices are his & his alone. We don't know enough about his research or thesis timeline or content to connect it to the crimes IMO.

Weird dude has been a weird dude for a long time. Maybe since he was born. We don't really know very much about him.

MOO

 

[jepop]

I highly doubt that the author of the Affidavit made a typo or error just because an email shows that BK was interviewed in April.

Do you really think the lead investigator on this case got his facts wrong?

He writes that “ Pursuant to records provided by a member of the interview panel .. “.

So he has records to back up his facts.

“ These records show that Kohberger wrote an essay when he applied for an internship with the Pullman PD in the Fall of 2022”

BK could have had a phone/Zoom interview in April and then been narrowed down to the top 3 or 4 candidates by end of Summer and invited to provide an essay for final consideration. JMO

Why become suspicious of LE or think they are incompetent because a reporter found proof that BK applied for an internship?

The Defense is not going to pick apart the arrest affidavit, believe me.

JMO View attachment 397130

So, I just checked out the NYT and PCA properly. I stand corrected. The emails referred to in the NYT article reference BK's application for an "assistanship" job with PPD, due to commence August 22nd. The PCA references BK's application for an Internship in November. Two different positions, two diffrent applications. MOO. Small inaccuracies in official docs is charged area for me creating bias, took over here and I jumped the gun. Apologies to all, I abhor misinformation but full well understand how it can be inadvertently created then spread.

MOO

 

[MsBetsy]

Reply to self: Typos or amateur inaccuracies in PCA, detected to date: At one point King Street mentioned instead on Queen Street; Applied for internship in "the fall" (infact I believe applied in April (Spring) per NYT -see above for source); Johnson ID is mentioned when, according to many posters here, that should be Johnson WA (others will have to speak to this).

I don't for one minute believe there is anything sinister in these inaccuracies. To me they are just the result of incompetence by the writer MOO. But what will the Defense do with this, to undermine LE? I'm just really annoyed that a document as important as a PCA should contain such errors. I think it should have been checked and double checked with a fine toothed comb before going before a Judge. MOO

I've seen typos and spelling errors in every affidavit I've read. It has never come up in trial or been a problem. I've seen incorrect dates and misspelled names as well. I've never followed a case where the defense has called out errors like this.

In King Hill's case the wrong sex was listed for the suspect in her
booking information. This caused members on the thread to speculate that Tianna Parks, the baby sitter who killed the two year old, was really a man or had undergone gender-affirming surgery.

What I understood about the internship is that BK applied for a Fall Internship. So he would have applied before Fall 2022, which would have been early summer, I would think. Maybe he was accepted in the Spring and was able to apply in April.

 

[jepop]

I've seen typos and spelling errors in every affidavit I've read. It has never come up in trial or been a problem. I've seen incorrect dates and misspelled names as well. I've never followed a case where the defense has called out errors like this.

In King Hill's case the wrong sex was listed for the suspect in her
booking information. This caused members on the thread to speculate that Tianna Parks, the baby sitter who killed the two year old, was really a man or had undergone gender-affirming surgery.

What I understood about the internship is that BK applied for a Fall Internship. So he would have applied before Fall 2022, which would have been early summer, I would think. Maybe he was accepted in the Spring and was able to apply in April.

Yeah, I stand corrected on the fall reference in PCA. Two different jobs with PPD, two different applications. April - "assistantship" commencing August (we currently don't know if BK got that posi according to the NYT); November - "Internship" (per PCA). I think, it was the {non] error here that I imagined might put the PCA into question because it would have been quite profound to my mind. But I was totally and completely mistaken and am glad.MOO

BBM above: I just think, as it is an official doc, proof reading and double checking is preferable. It would be preferable for the doc to describe the correct street that suspect vehicle was driving east-west down at 4.04am for eg. (per PCA) IMO

I am not suspicious of LE in this case. I admire and respect the investigation and the PCA whilst also feeling disappointed that easily corrected errors are present.

MOO

 

[girlhasnoname]

If that's the case, somebody better tell the owner that that ship has already sailed.

Even if it turns out that kohberger never patronized the place, that restaurant will be forever linked to a couple of the victims...

Perhaps now and the during the case and then it will eventually go back to being just the MG IMO.

 

[CityKid]

I read the MG statement a little slower instead of just skimming over it.

So, if I’m understanding what I read, one of the first complaints verbalized was that the story ‘ created extra work ‘

And ( while speaking for everyone ) decided to not share any info that could potentially hurt the investigation or create stress for the victims families.

? Maybe I’m wrong here, purely my own speculation and opinion, but shouldn’t All information be reported to investigators and let THEM decide if it’s important or not ?

Maybe I’m reading too much between the lines, but it does sound like there is/was info they decided not to share.

Sometimes with written text it is really hard to know the intent as far as inflection and tone.

I do agree however NO ONE has the right to go to peoples homes like the(reporters/media)are. I guess maybe the ones that do are thinking that if they had provided the information voluntarily in the first place they (media) wouldn’t need to go to them and ask

All my opinion and speculation

I read that as full cooperation with LE; no info given to reporters and other non-LE questioners. I believe MG shared any video and any other pertinent info with LE. Why? Because MG did nothing wrong in providing a service to someone who turned out to be a killer. MG is not at fault here. MOO.

 

[CityKid]

So true, I think the owner knows this murder case has irreparably damaged her business, and has zero tolerance for any discussion, I don't blame her.

I'm willing to bet it won't, if the food is good. (See Rao's, Sparks Steakhouse and a long list of others, just in my city.) I believe MG's owner has cooperated with LE, has no tolerance for curious folks looking for salacious details, and is in no way responsible for vetting a (possible) guest (without a prior criminal history) who later turned out to be a murderer. I just hope her statement will put an end to people stalking her at her home and place of business as if she is in any way responsible for BK's later behavior. MOO.

 

[MsBetsy]

Yeah, I stand corrected on the fall reference in PCA. Two different jobs with PPD, two different applications. April - "assistantship" commencing August (we currently don't know if BK got that posi according to the NYT); November - "Internship" (per PCA). I think, it was the {non] error here that I imagined might put the PCA into question because it would have been quite profound to my mind. But I was totally and completely mistaken and am glad.MOO

BBM above: I just think, as it is an official doc, proof reading and double checking is preferable. It would be preferable for the doc to describe the correct street that suspect vehicle was driving east-west down at 4.04am for eg. (per PCA) IMO

I am not suspicious of LE in this case. I admire and respect the investigation and the PCA whilst also feeling disappointed that easily corrected errors are present.

MOO

Oh, I didn't realize they were two different things. It still doesn't make sense to me because I'd think a Fall Internship would start at the start of the semester in August. If it started in November he would hardly even have a month to finish and it would run into two holidays. Maybe he applied for both an assistantship and an Internship at the same time and wasn't accepted. That might have been a blow to his ego if he was rejected for both. I still don't understand why he would have applied for a Fall Internship in November when the semester was almost over, though. Makes no sense.

But yes, it's very frustrating when even small mistakes are made in those documents.

 

[jepop]

Oh, I didn't realize they were two different things. It still doesn't make sense to me because I'd think a Fall Internship would start at the start of the semester in August. If it started in November he would hardly even have a month to finish and it would run into two holidays. Maybe he applied for both an assistantship and an Internship at the same time and wasn't accepted. That might have been a blow to his ego if he was rejected for both. I still don't understand why he would have applied for a Fall Internship in November when the semester was almost over, though. Makes no sense.

But yes, it's very frustrating when even small mistakes are made in those documents.

BBM: I made the mistake of going from memory re the EBM April reference in NYT. This is where these misunderstandings start! BK was not going for a fall internship with PPD - he applied for an internship in the fall (page 11 PCA). I thought the April emails quoted by NYT showed that he actually applied for this internship in April (ie Spring), not in Fall (per PCA ieOct /November). See? two diff applications for two diff positions with PPD. Completely separate. The April application (as per previous post) has nothing to do with the internship BK applied for in the Fall. MOO

 

[MsBetsy]

Oh, I didn't realize they were two different things. It still doesn't make sense to me because I'd think a Fall Internship would start at the start of the semester in August. If it started in November he would hardly even have a month to finish and it would run into two holidays. Maybe he applied for both an assistantship and an Internship at the same time and wasn't accepted. That might have been a blow to his ego if he was rejected for both. I still don't understand why he would have applied for a Fall Internship in November when the semester was almost over, though. Makes no sense.

But yes, it's very frustrating when even small mistakes are made in those documents.

On second thought I do think the assistantship and internship might be the same thing.

I did an Internship at college at a hospital but I was referred to as an "assistant" at the hospital.

So it's possible that the title with the Police Dept would have been "assistant" rather than "intern." Imo

 

[jepop]

On second thought I do think the assistantship and internship might be the same thing.

I did an Internship at college at a hospital but I was referred to as an "assistant" at the hospital.

So it's possible that the title with the Police Dept would have been "assistant" rather than "intern." Imo

From my reading of the Assisatantship details in NYT article, they are not at all the same. MOO

 

[MsBetsy]

From my reading of the Assisatantship details in NYT article, they are not at all the same. MOO

From my reading of the Assisatantship details in NYT article, they are not at all the same. MOO

Some articles are stating he applied for a Fall Internship so I think that's why I'm confused. I suppose he could have applied for a one month internship in November or the Internship was supposed to be in the Spring.

I think either position would have been valuable as an Internship but I don't know what the policy is at WSU. He would have gotten valuable experience with either. (That's a scary thought.)

When it was first reported, I thought he had applied for a Fall Internship but wasn't accepted. So if it's true he applied in November it was right around the time of the murders.

 

[cottonweaver]

For crying out loud...Is that another "typo" in the PCA. I think the PCA as a whole is an amazingly detailed document and certainly demonstrates probable cause, but the defense are surely going to pounce on these mistakes and try to put the whole thing into question, or at least the competence of the writer? I've read the un-paywalled NYT article and there seems to be no doubt that BK actually applied for the internship in April (on-line not in person) whilst he was still at De Sales (sp?) but intending to go to WSU. Very disappointing if the PCA got this wrong. MOO

It's strange isn't it.
What if it isn't a typo and he actually applied for a second role ( internship in ' fall 2022' as per PCA * ) having not got the first job he applied for in the spring of 2022 ( research assistantship for public safety) which was due to start in August 22?


Is that feasible with a small PD like Pullman?
Do we have anybody from Pullman or WSU on WSleuths? @North_Idaho_Nony is close by, over the border & might know?

Maybe they do have plenty of positions at the WSU CSI lab? CSI Lab News Page | CSI Lab Site | Washington State University

Staff Overview | CSI Lab Site | Washington State University

labs.wsu.edu

Anyway, a rejection for a first job might have also triggered him. Or, it's just a typo in the PCA ( despite the wording in the Jan 13th Fox link I attached earlier) WS members had a longish discussion back around Jan 5th + as to whether it had been confirmed he'd been rejected by Pullman PD because nobody could find an MSM link to that effect

* PCA link again, I know some love their links, original source is page 12

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eta
Am reading backwards and only just read @Cindizzi post about this, and fwiw my gut feeling was also that this wasn't a typo

 

[Elley Mae]

I'm willing to bet it won't, if the food is good. (See Rao's, Sparks Steakhouse and a long list of others, just in my city.) I believe MG's owner has cooperated with LE, has no tolerance for curious folks looking for salacious details, and is in no way responsible for vetting a (possible) guest (without a prior criminal history) who later turned out to be a murderer. I just hope her statement will put an end to people stalking her at her home and place of business as if she is in any way responsible for BK's later behavior. MOO.

Looking for that scoop.

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

BK being near their house 12x early am, him instagramming one of them and following 3, and then eventually allegedly murdering them speaks to stalking and it's not out of the realm of possibility he was at the restaurant. There is no way that restaurant owner was there every second there is no way she could know if BK ate there IMO. So yes just him being at the restaurant isnt enough but everything all together is, IMO.

The Instagram thing hasn't been confirmed and I wouldn't be at all surprised if it turns out to be a bunch of BS, like the restaurant claim. Could it all be true? Maybe, but we don't know if it is and I lean toward it being false, particularly the MG claim.

As for him being near their house 12 times, until we know exactly where he was, we don't know what that proves. The two cities share a lot of stores, a gym, etc. But let's say he was stalking them. Him eating at MG once or twice doesn't build that case, IMO.

MOO.

 

[MsBetsy]

It's strange isn't it.
What if it isn't a typo and he actually applied for a second role ( internship in ' fall 2022' as per PCA * ) having not got the first job he applied for in the spring of 2022 ( research assistantship for public safety) which was due to start in August 22?

Is that feasible with a small PD like Pullman?
Do we have anybody from Pullman or WSU on WSleuths? @North_Idaho_Nony is close by, over the border & might know?

Maybe they do have plenty of positions at the WSU CSI lab? CSI Lab News Page | CSI Lab Site | Washington State University

Staff Overview | CSI Lab Site | Washington State University

labs.wsu.edu

Anyway, a rejection for a first job might have also triggered him. Or, it's just a typo in the PCA ( despite the wording in the Jan 13th Fox link I attached earlier) ...

* PCA link again, I know some love their links, original source is page 12

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So the assistant position was a paid job, not a volunteer position? I wonder if he decided on the TA job because it was better pay. I think he really wanted a foot in the door with a Police Dept and the TA position was probably a second or third choice.

ETA The article described the position as a "Graduate Research Assistantship" created by the college so it sounds like a program unique to WSU to both assist the Police Dept and provide students the experience.

So maybe not an Internship but very similar, imo.

 

[cottonweaver]

when the PCA* states he had studied ' cloud based forensics, does BK mean this 3 credit module at DeSales?

CJ 538

Earn a Masters degree in Criminal Justice with a focus on Digital Forensics

In only 10 courses, you can earn your master's degree in criminal justice, entirely from home!

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* Link, again ......

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