ID - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered - Bryan Kohberger Arrested - Moscow # 69

[cottonweaver]

So the assistant position was a paid job, not a volunteer position? I wonder if he decided on the TA job because it was better pay. I think he really wanted a foot in the door with a Police Dept and the TA position was probably a second or third choice.

IDK Betsy
Hopefully somebody else will chip-in with local knowledge or WSU knowledge. That CSI lab seems very busy & draws down a lot of research & commercial funding. ( Posted the links on that on page 11 of this thread)

I agree that of all the people we've heard from, since BK arrested, the most common career choice BK had mentioned was within LE ( not an academic career ultimately)

IDK if universities closer to his family home in PA also have similar tie-ins with local PDs. ( We all spent a long time discussing why he chose WSU. I appreciate that many have cited online ranking sources but BK had world-class universities in PA, example attached below. Maybe he applied and wasn't successful?)

Doctor of Philosophy in Criminology | Department of Criminology

crim.sas.upenn.edu

 

[pittsburghgirl]

Likely this has been discussed, but this stood out to me (from this recent article):

"Famularo talked about a time last semester, around late October 2022, when the class and even the professor felt Kohberger had graded them too harshly on an exam.

'[The professor] brought Bryan before the class and let us tell him we were disappointed and ask him questions about it,' they said. 'That was probably the most interaction any of us had with him.'"

I know that in previous threads many of us have wondered if BK had been reprimanded publicly for this severe grading as a TA. It sounds like he was, and IMO, the above quote sounds like a very humiliating experience. I'm curious when it happened.

Well, late October 2022. I was a TA and a Research Fellow; I also supervised TAs. In our department, we didn't expose grad students to the criticism of the undergraduates they graded. If there were problems of this magnitude, the TA was first given support and then, if things didn't change, he was removed. All the professor has to do was grade a handful of assignments and adjust the class's grades upward to show BK how to do it--or better, regrade the papers himself or herself and then review them with BK. I'm actually shocked. Putting aside any consideration of why BK would be harsh with students, what happened, if this is true, is very unprofessional. Given what we know about BK, this could have been a moment that was so humiliating that he gave up on the Ph.D. program. In a university department, word about this would have gotten around--"BK is a problem grad student." It's not uncommon for TAs to be off target in terms of grading. It's hard to know what a professor would say. But professional humiliation is not the remedy.

 

[SMK777]

Idaho murders: 10 key mysteries that need to be solved

Here are 10 mysteries about the Idaho murder case. We can rely on information from Cpl. Brett Payne’s affidavit to address some wild speculation surrounding the case.

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https://twitter.com/x/status/1617180882170957825

 

[Ceska]

Wasn’t there a ping near the restaurant and then another near their home as if he had followed them from home to work? Or am I misremembering? JMO

Good question, I can't remember now. The cell phone pings are very telling, I'll have to reread the PCA, if it was mentioned in there or not.

 

[JennyM523]

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Former Idaho prosecutor who visited house where students were murdered reveals killer's possible path

A former Idaho lieutenant governor and attorney general who has been inside the home where four students attending the University of Idaho were found dead says that the suspect likely entered through the back of the house.

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I haven’t read through this thread, but it looks to me like the red is a sticker on the paper bag inside - door dash orders usually are closed with a large sticker like that. I bet they’re looking for fingerprints. IMO

 

[Ceska]

So true, I think the owner knows this murder case has irreparably damaged her business, and has zero tolerance for any discussion, I don't blame her.

Just curious why you think that the owner of the MG restaurant thinks her business has been ruined? I'm not trying to argue, just curious as to why she would think that, or why you think that? The restaurant has done nothing wrong, it lost two wonderful employees. There was a very high profile murder case in my town a few years ago, the entire trial was televised daily on Court tv, as well as other networks on tv. The coffee shop where the victim and the murderer met and hung out at did alright and is still around. Just my opinion, but I think it would have an opposite (positive) effect on the business, i.e. people going there to show support (to the restaurant, owners, and other employees). Again, moo.

 

[Justice101]

Just curious why you think that the owner of the MG restaurant thinks her business has been ruined? I'm not trying to argue, just curious as to why she would think that, or why you think that? The restaurant has done nothing wrong, it lost two wonderful employees. There was a very high profile murder case in my town a few years ago, the entire trial was televised daily on Court tv, as well as other networks on tv. The coffee shop where the victim and the murderer met and hung out at did alright and is still around. Just my opinion, but I think it would have an opposite (positive) effect on the business, i.e. people going there to show support (to the restaurant, owners, and other employees). Again, moo.

Everyone from outside the community that goes in there is going to mention the killings to the waitresses, etc.

I can see where that would more like "taint" the business but not ruin it.

 

[Rigatoni999]

It's strange isn't it.
What if it isn't a typo and he actually applied for a second role ( internship in ' fall 2022' as per PCA * ) having not got the first job he applied for in the spring of 2022 ( research assistantship for public safety) which was due to start in August 22?


Is that feasible with a small PD like Pullman?
Do we have anybody from Pullman or WSU on WSleuths? @North_Idaho_Nony is close by, over the border & might know?

Maybe they do have plenty of positions at the WSU CSI lab? CSI Lab News Page | CSI Lab Site | Washington State University

Staff Overview | CSI Lab Site | Washington State University

labs.wsu.edu

Anyway, a rejection for a first job might have also triggered him. Or, it's just a typo in the PCA ( despite the wording in the Jan 13th Fox link I attached earlier) WS members had a longish discussion back around Jan 5th + as to whether it had been confirmed he'd been rejected by Pullman PD because nobody could find an MSM link to that effect

* PCA link again, I know some love their links, original source is page 12

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eta
Am reading backwards and only just read @Cindizzi post about this, and fwiw my gut feeling was also that this wasn't a typo

Wouldn't it be twisted if he pulled one of those "the arsonist was a fireman" situations, where he was going to "show them" he would have been a good detective by committing these murders, and then "solving" the crime and becoming the hero?

 

[Ceska]

The Instagram thing hasn't been confirmed and I wouldn't be at all surprised if it turns out to be a bunch of BS, like the restaurant claim. Could it all be true? Maybe, but we don't know if it is and I lean toward it being false, particularly the MG claim.

As for him being near their house 12 times, until we know exactly where he was, we don't know what that proves. The two cities share a lot of stores, a gym, etc. But let's say he was stalking them. Him eating at MG once or twice doesn't build that case, IMO.

MOO.

I respectfully disagree. It shows a pattern, a pattern that BK put himself in close proximity to the victims, repeatedly. They know where he was, because of cell phone pings, wifi, video surveillance footage (from businesses, etc.). If he was at the restaurant, that, along with all of BK's close proximity to the victims, is huge.... It shows a pattern of behavior, it adds to the case.

 

[Rigatoni999]

Everyone from outside the community that goes in there is going to mention the killings to the waitresses, etc.

I can see where that would more like "taint" the business but not ruin it.

Well, now it the most famous place in Moscow.

 

[Ceska]

Everyone from outside the community that goes in there is going to mention the killings to the waitresses, etc.

I can see where that would more like "taint" the business but not ruin it.

You think customers are going to try to discuss the murders with the wait staff/employees? I think that is a stretch, I think most people are not that disrespectful. I give most people/customers more credit than that.

 

[ktm44]

Nothing definite rules out that possibility atm I suppose. Unfortunately the evidence per PCA so far doesn't really paint such a picture, the repeated barking that is on the audio occurs at c 4.17am, at which point, if I read the PCA right, BK (alleged killer) is thought to be about to exit the premises (ie seen leaving neighbourhood at speed at 4.20am). My feeling is that if that is a hair from Murphy from BK's appartment, he likely just picked it up in one of the rooms as he was moving throughout the house..on his clothing or shoes for eg...then transferred back to his place. MOO

The dog could have barked at some other point, but if so we aren't privy to that info. I feel sure LE would have examined the dog minutely. Nothing was ever released to suggest the dog had blood on it, but you're right in that LE have not ruled it out. MOO

LE did release a statement early on that there was no evidence on the dog.

 

[Ceska]

Well, now it the most famous place in Moscow.

Sadly, I think the house where it all happened is...... I do believe the restaurant will get a lot of support from the community. Just my opinion.

 

[CSIDreamer]

I don't know how anyone could process such a sight.

Good on Ms Zabel and her roommate for calling paramedics right away.

Ms Zabel and her roommates called paramedics hours later.

Both times, several hours passed between the attacks and the alarm being raised.

And the 911 calls both alerted police to an “unconscious individual” – only for officials to arrive to discover a violent, bloody scene.

She slept through an attack that nearly killed her roommate. Now, she’s defending a stranger in the Idaho murders

 

[maggie-]

The Instagram thing hasn't been confirmed and I wouldn't be at all surprised if it turns out to be a bunch of BS, like the restaurant claim. Could it all be true? Maybe, but we don't know if it is and I lean toward it being false, particularly the MG claim.

As for him being near their house 12 times, until we know exactly where he was, we don't know what that proves. The two cities share a lot of stores, a gym, etc. But let's say he was stalking them. Him eating at MG once or twice doesn't build that case, IMO.

MOO.

Referring to the part BBM:

Hi! This is my first post here, so I hope I’m formatting this correctly, but I just wanted to say thank you for saying this/wording it the way you did.



Whenever I see people saying “his phone pinged at the house 12 times before the murders!!” I cringe and die a little inside because that’s… not at all what the PCA said. But as always, the MSM took that and ran with it and it’s a damn shame, because this idea that his phone was pinged literally AT the 1122 King Road residence 12 times prior to the murders has not been proven to be true. Rather, that was simply the conclusion that LE chose to draw from their interpretation of the cell tower data.

MOO, but until we see GPS data from the phone, I think basing any location information or anything related to BK’s whereabouts at any given point in time on cell data alone would be grossly irresponsible.

Buuut yeah, idk why I’m rambling all of this to you, seeing as we both seem to be in agreement on this issue. I guess I just wanted to make a post to say I appreciate you and many others on here that stick to the facts of the case ONLY. So thank you!

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[jepop]

It's strange isn't it.
What if it isn't a typo and he actually applied for a second role ( internship in ' fall 2022' as per PCA * ) having not got the first job he applied for in the spring of 2022 ( research assistantship for public safety) which was due to start in August 22?


Is that feasible with a small PD like Pullman?
Do we have anybody from Pullman or WSU on WSleuths? @North_Idaho_Nony is close by, over the border & might know?

Maybe they do have plenty of positions at the WSU CSI lab? CSI Lab News Page | CSI Lab Site | Washington State University

Staff Overview | CSI Lab Site | Washington State University

labs.wsu.edu

Anyway, a rejection for a first job might have also triggered him. Or, it's just a typo in the PCA ( despite the wording in the Jan 13th Fox link I attached earlier) WS members had a longish discussion back around Jan 5th + as to whether it had been confirmed he'd been rejected by Pullman PD because nobody could find an MSM link to that effect

* PCA link again, I know some love their links, original source is page 12

122922 Affidavit - Exhibit A - Statement of Brett Payne.pdf | PDF Host

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Am reading backwards and only just read @Cindizzi post about this, and fwiw my gut feeling was also that this wasn't a typo

BBM: IDK, but there is no typo. He did apply for an internship in the Fall. The PCA specifies that. I confused the assistantship application in April (for the August job) with his application for internship made in the Fall. There is no typo.

 

[Rigatoni999]

Sadly, I think the house where it all happened is...... I do believe the restaurant will get a lot of support from the community. Just my opinion.

Agree. By "place", I meant dining establishment.

 

[Rigatoni999]

Why? BK's choices are his & his alone. We don't know enough about his research or thesis timeline or content to connect it to the crimes IMO.

Weird dude has been a weird dude for a long time. Maybe since he was born. We don't really know very much about him.

MOO

"Weird dude has been a weird dude for a long time. Maybe since he was born."

That is a GREAT line. Thank you.

 

[CSIDreamer]

Well, late October 2022. I was a TA and a Research Fellow; I also supervised TAs. In our department, we didn't expose grad students to the criticism of the undergraduates they graded. If there were problems of this magnitude, the TA was first given support and then, if things didn't change, he was removed. All the professor has to do was grade a handful of assignments and adjust the class's grades upward to show BK how to do it--or better, regrade the papers himself or herself and then review them with BK. I'm actually shocked. Putting aside any consideration of why BK would be harsh with students, what happened, if this is true, is very unprofessional. Given what we know about BK, this could have been a moment that was so humiliating that he gave up on the Ph.D. program. In a university department, word about this would have gotten around--"BK is a problem grad student." It's not uncommon for TAs to be off target in terms of grading. It's hard to know what a professor would say. But professional humiliation is not the remedy.

This story has bothered me enormously from the moment we read about it. Completely aside from Kohberger, I'm appalled by the professor's behavior. JMO

 

[GRT]

Blitz attack at the most vulnerable time of night, with sharp force object. No time to scream IMO.

I think that's the most logical reason for no one hearing any screams, but I'm still slightly bewildered that not even one of the students wasn't awakened when the person beside them was attacked and screamed. IMO, the attacks had to be so fast to disable both persons in each room before one could scream. JMOO