ID - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered - Bryan Kohberger Arrested - Moscow # 70

[I'm Nobody]

Thank you @gliving for posting NewsNation report. My provider Parental Controls what channels I can watch now. grrr.
Sorry I want Kernodle fighting back to be true and that's what made BK leave like a bat outta hell. MOO

 

[iamshadow21]

Seriously? Forget about the gag order -- this is unacceptable on so many levels.

Holy shiz, if that information checks out, LE is going to clean house and someone's getting fired. At minimum.

And News Nation better have their lawyers on speed dial. But I expect they always do.

 

[wary]

Yep. The article is by Steve Helling. The same author who wrote the now dubunked Mad Greek stalking story and the dubious Instagram messages story. Has he even been to Moscow?

I have no idea if the Mad Greek story is true or not, but it certainly hasn’t been debunked. It’s been denied—quite a different matter.

MOO

 

[Boxer]

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Another poster posted the article (I just quoted it), but I disagree with your characterization of what was said.

Per the article (linked below), what he said was:

"But telecommunications expert and former electrical engineer Ben Levitan, who has analyzed cellphone data for the well-known Adnan Syed case featured in the “Serial” podcast, told the Idaho Statesman that while cellphone records can provide someone’s estimated location, they can’t pinpoint an individual’s exact location."

Read more at: https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/local/crime/article271694187.html#storylink=cpy

I don't know much about the FBI's CAST team, but I haven't yet seen anything that suggests we know BK exactly location on the 12 incidents prior to the murder. Obviously, on the night of the murder, there's other evidence, so I'm only referring to the 12 pings prior that some have said make or break the stalking speculation.

I don't think an expert with his CV would spread misinformation. I think this is his belief based on his years of research and expertise in the area. Could he be wrong? Maybe. But I haven't seen any sourced facts that dispute his claim.

MOO.

Another poster posted the article (I just quoted it), but I disagree with your characterization of what was said.

Per the article (linked below), what he said was:

"But telecommunications expert and former electrical engineer Ben Levitan, who has analyzed cellphone data for the well-known Adnan Syed case featured in the “Serial” podcast, told the Idaho Statesman that while cellphone records can provide someone’s estimated location, they can’t pinpoint an individual’s exact location."

Read more at: https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/local/crime/article271694187.html#storylink=cpy

I don't know much about the FBI's CAST team, but I haven't yet seen anything that suggests we know BK exactly location on the 12 incidents prior to the murder. Obviously, on the night of the murder, there's other evidence, so I'm only referring to the 12 pings prior that some have said make or break the stalking speculation.

I don't think an expert with his CV would spread misinformation. I think this is his belief based on his years of research and expertise in the area. Could he be wrong? Maybe. But I haven't seen any sourced facts that dispute his claim.

MOO.

MOO here is the source, I see the link broke before.


GPS: The Global Positioning System › performance

GPS.gov: GPS Accuracy

Information about GPS accuracy

www.gps.gov

GPS-enabled smartphones are typically accurate to within a 4.9 m (16 ft.) radius under open sky (view source at ION.org). However, their accuracy worsens near buildings, bridges, and trees.
Mar 3, 2022

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

Could the defense get him off of this charge if there is little additional evidence past what is in the affidavit? I feel like it’s enough but barely.

It's nowhere near enough, IMO. But we know they have much more. JMO.

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

MOO A defense expert must still rely on fac


MOO here is the source, I see the link broke before.


GPS: The Global Positioning System › performance

GPS.gov: GPS Accuracy

Information about GPS accuracy

www.gps.gov

GPS-enabled smartphones are typically accurate to within a 4.9 m (16 ft.) radius under open sky (view source at ION.org). However, their accuracy worsens near buildings, bridges, and trees.
Mar 3, 2022

Right. I see that. So how does this refute what Levitan said? The word "typically" and the next line that says that accuracy worsens near buildings, bridges, and trees tells me that Levitan is actually correct in this case.

 

[Boxer]

Another poster posted the article (I just quoted it), but I disagree with your characterization of what was said.

Per the article (linked below), what he said was:

"But telecommunications expert and former electrical engineer Ben Levitan, who has analyzed cellphone data for the well-known Adnan Syed case featured in the “Serial” podcast, told the Idaho Statesman that while cellphone records can provide someone’s estimated location, they can’t pinpoint an individual’s exact location."

Read more at: https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/local/crime/article271694187.html#storylink=cpy

I don't know much about the FBI's CAST team, but I haven't yet seen anything that suggests we know BK exactly location on the 12 incidents prior to the murder. Obviously, on the night of the murder, there's other evidence, so I'm only referring to the 12 pings prior that some have said make or break the stalking speculation.

I don't think an expert with his CV would spread misinformation. I think this is his belief based on his years of research and expertise in the area. Could he be wrong? Maybe. But I haven't seen any sourced facts that dispute his claim.

MOO.

Maybe i misunderstood you, I thought your point was that the police could not accurately say that BK had been near the house 12 times since June.

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

Maybe i misunderstood you, I thought your point was that the police could not accurately say that BK had been near the house 12 times since June.

No, we know that the police said he'd been in the coverage area of the house 12 times. But my point is that I haven't seen any evidence that he's been AT the house 12 times (even the PCA doesn't say this) and that's what Levitan is saying.

 

[Sister Golden Hair]

Cross Examining Witnesses Who Saw BCK Staring?

snipped for focus. @Sister Golden Hair
Re cross examining a witness--- do you ever stare at ppl?

As prosecutor, I'd say "Objection, Your Honor, Relevance."
And as Judge, I'd say "Sustained."
As a juror, I'd say to myself, What's the point of this Q?
imo.
(Sorry, @Sister Golden Hair if your post was made in jest. Sometimes I'm too literal minded and sometimes too dense, and other times, well, both.)

As always, welcoming clarification or correction, esp'ly from our legal professionals.

this is hardly something that calls for legal professionals lol. it was made in jest. although I disagree. I think if juror was awake, they'd get the point unless they were completely dense. if the prosecution called a witness and the entire point of the testimony was that BK stared, then I'd ask the witness if they stared, too. and whether or not it was sustained is irrelevant because it's already out there. but yes, it was made in jest, because the whole 'oh he stared' story is absurd. we all stare and I can't believe that someone got paid to write that or that it was taken seriously.

 

[jepop]

Yes. They will use her lack of a 911 cast doubt on her testimony at a minimum. Any descriptions that she can make (tall, skinny, white, male, consistent with suspect) are very important. If the defense is able to knock that down, they can cloud the jury with suggestions that the suspect may be any race or gender.

How exactly does the defense do that by questioning the timing of the 911 call?

 

[jepop]

I would 100% imagine they have his phone due to the way he was apprehended IMO.

Yea, Geeze, ofcourse LE would have got a warrant to search the... out of his of his phone, retrieve deleted data, etc.IMO. Why would anyone doubt that LE and investigators have not got the best experts available to get every piece of relevant electronic data that could be evidence out of that phone? Ditto for warrants to ISP and google if he had an account? MOO

EBM: removed word bayjasus added...

 

[jepop]

They still may, and often do, have witnesses work with a sketch artist. There's a sketch of Joseph DeAngelo (EAR/ONS/GSK) which is literally a black balaclava with only his eyes visible through two eyeholes.

I suppose a sketch might usefully show something about the mask too, perhaps the general type or something. MOO

EBM: added "a" before sketch ,deleted 'the'.

 

[jepop]

Could the defense get him off of this charge if there is little additional evidence past what is in the affidavit? I feel like it’s enough but barely.

But there will be, IMO, more,much more, than what is in the affadavit (which was certainly more than enough to establish probable cause, which was the purpose of the affadavit- MOO). We've already seen 300 plus pages of discovery so farMOO. So, personally, knowing what I do, it would be a kind of a moot exercise to speculate down the route you suggest, but that is MOO.

EBM: added 'will be, IMO' first line.

 

[badgersmythe]

University of Idaho students say they saw Bryan Kohberger at school

Three students at the University of Idaho claimed to have seen suspect Bryan Kohberger at their campus just weeks before the November 13 quadruple murders.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[jepop]

And yet there's a gag order.

Yes, seriously, if these reports are to be believed then the info has to have come from sources that are under gag. I am seriously shaking my head and wondersing about future possibilities re fair trial/aborted trial/ delayed trial etc.

ETA: Alll above is MOO

 

[iamshadow21]

University of Idaho students say they saw Bryan Kohberger at school

Three students at the University of Idaho claimed to have seen suspect Bryan Kohberger at their campus just weeks before the November 13 quadruple murders.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Taking a page out of the Bundy playbook, were you, sir?

Too bad for you that in the intervening forty odd years, campuses got video surveillance. If you were creeping on girls at the UI campus for real, they've got you on tape.

 

[jepop]

The article was not written by the expert, and it struck me as clickbait in much the same way all these cable news experts say controversial things that are only true in a narrow scope to keep people tuning in. For example "Kohberger’s cell records never show him traveling to Moscow on the night of the homicides". Yes, but the article fails to mention that his phone does show him leaving home that night and that his phone abruptly stopped reporting while he was on the move, and then showed up again after he left King Road and started his wild drive. If the author were trying to be unbiased, he would have mentioned that it will be very damaging to BK if that's the only time during the records period that his phone stopped reporting its location.

It would be interesting to know how much the expert's responses were edited, or whether what we see is the sum total of his responses. MOOoooo

Read more at: https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/local/crime/article271694187.html#storylink=cpy

Yes, it's not so much what the expert says here, it's more about the how the article is written, what is edited in and out, what questions were asked of the "expert". MOO

On the 12 Ping Data generally:
I've, posted before about this: The 12 pre crime pings were discovered by LE on 23 rd December via warrant of phone company (See PCA). IMO, at that time that was suggestive enough for inclusion in PCA. Owing to possible time constraints and the other amazing circumstantial evidence re the actual night of the crime, IMO, the 12 pre -crime ping analysis probably went on the backburner for the week between 23rd December and BK's arrest on 30th DEC. MOO.

SEE PCA for all dates and references to 12 pre-crime pings.

IMO, the PCA would have stood without the pre-crime 12 pings MOO. Imo, since then, I see no reason whatsoever why the appropriate experts would not have further analysed that data (ie traiangulation and what not) along with other data from BK phone, ISP etc etc. MOO

ETA: sentence, "On the 12 Ping Data Generally".

 

[Tealgrove]

In December, authorities arrested Bryan Kohberger and charged him with four counts of murder. But Kohberger didn't attend the University of Idaho; he was a graduate student at Washington State University, approximately eight miles away across the state line.

But three different students tell PEOPLE that they believe they saw Kohberger at the Student Union building on the Idaho campus in the weeks before the murders — and that they later recognized him after he was arrested for the murders.

"He was the type to stare," she continues. "He wouldn't look away if you caught him staring. Like he wanted you to notice that he was looking at you. He didn't smile, didn't nod, didn't say anything. Just stared."

[…]
Another student tells PEOPLE that she saw Kohberger frequently enough around campus that she assumed he was a student at the University of Idaho.

"It's not a huge school; it's like a small town," she says. "So you start seeing the same faces again and again. They become familiar, like you know that you've seen them in class or around campus. I definitely saw him more than once. He was just really quiet and really intense, staring. He made me uncomfortable."

Bryan Kohberger Visited Idaho Student Union Before Murders — and Was 'the Type to Stare': Witnesses

Students say that Bryan Kohberger, who attended another university as a grad student, was occasionally seen on campus during the fall 2022 semester

people.com

I’m not surprised in the least by this.

We already know that his phone pinged 12 times in the area of the house prior to the murders.

I fully expected to hear that he was out and about in the area and people would have noticed him.

 

[jepop]

DBM

 

[Sister Golden Hair]

But there will be, IMO, more,much more, than what is in the affadavit (which was certainly more than enough to establish probable cause, which was the purpose of the affadavit- MOO). We've already seen 300 plus pages of discovery so farMOO. So, personally, knowing what I do, it would be a kind of a moot exercise to speculate down the route you suggest, but that is MOO.

EBM: added 'will be, IMO' first line.

I hope that you are right, but I am exercising caution and think it is warranted here. Although the affidavit was enough to establish probable cause for arrest, and there are over 995 documents produced for discovery, quantity does to always equate to quality. The 995 documents may not all represent compelling proof, and the records related to 4 people or more are included in that. Consider the voluminous 129-page PCA and 'tens of thousands' of pages of discovery in the Barry morphew debacle as proof that big doesn't mean better. jmo imo

Lead Investigator In Barry Morphew Case Allegedly Felt Arrest Was Premature And Called It The ‘Worst’ Decision

A lead investigator in the Barry Morphew case allegedly felt the Colorado father’s arrest was premature, calling it the “worst” decision that could be made, according to a defense motion to dismiss the charges released Tuesday. Morphew’s defense team is hoping the murder charge against...

www.yahoo.com

Bryan Kohberger Murder Case Prosecutors Turn Over Evidence: Suspect Gets 995-Page Police File With 1865 Photos

A court filing obtained by Inside Edition Digital states that "police reports and documents... which are in the possession of the State have been disclosed to counsel for the defendant as of January 23."

www.insideedition.com

https://www.courts.state.co.us/userfiles/file/Court_Probation/11th_Judicial_District/Chaffee/cases%20of%20interest/21CR78/21cr78%20Morphew%20Redacted%20Affidavit.pdf?ipid=promo-link-block1