ID - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered - Bryan Kohberger Arrested - Moscow # 71

[wary]

My point is that everyone involved is trying VERY hard to avoid the Title IX problems. If you took what I said as coming FROM the Title IX office, then I didn't write it very well.

HR is an intermediary stop. Supposed to head it all off at the pass - often with good results (from HR's point of view).

I am not surprised at all that someone (perhaps just the professor) organized a behavioral intervention. Perhaps he told his Dean. Sex/gender inequality in grading is very very serious - every college that has complaints must show documentation of steps taken to address it. Many times the message is garbled by the time the prof is given "suggestions," and, well, every is exasperated, of course.

I thought I read that BK was relieved of grading duties - but that was a process that took time and so it only applied to the future (current semester). No one is relieved of duties just because the prof is concerned. Prof is not going to contact Title IX (and as far as we know, the students have been informed of their rights by the required posters, handbooks, fliers, messages that they all get - no professor is required to educate people about Title IX).

I have no idea how the students were supposed to help by bringing stuff up in the classroom. I don't know that the prof said "everyone is graded harshly by Mr Kohberger" (who was standing there). That sounds absurd to me. A random sample of exams wouldn't necessary reveal the entire problem - but would have given clues (he needed data about how other TA's are grading, IMO - also, sometimes there are just statistical blips and he'd have had to make guesses based on the students' names - who was a woman, who was a man).

It was not good educational practice. But it's like any other profession. And, given that it was criminology (so a more legalistic mindset, IME), it doesn't surprise me that the prof was familiar with behavioral mod techniques. In every instance of this kind of complaint that I've ever heard, it is the *individual* woman who claims she was graded unfairly (how do the students have this data about the whole class? I assume there was something like an uprising or a petition or that many women complained). I've actually never seen or heard of anything like this. Not even in records of educational practices 100 years ago. Sure, some profs or TA's grade unfairly, but wholesale grading of Men Good, Women Bad - that's rarely anything that happens any more.

If it had been my class, I'd have take over the grading for the TA, grumbled, and said, "I'll deal with this guy after I regrade ALL of what he does." I'd have required him to take notes on the papers (not write on top of the students' writing) and submit those notes, along with the grade. Of course, this technique would surely result in the TA being much more careful not to show bias - but if bias existed, I'd follow the steps outlined at my institution and report him first to the Dean - who may or may not contact Title IX. I wouldn't have talked about it in class, at all. I would't have tried to get his pay docked, but I wouldn't have accepted him as a TA in the next semester, and of course, I'd have alerted the Department Chair and we'd all have discussed this person as a group. If another professor had the same experience the next semester (if they thought I was being weird and that he should have a second chance - I actually know a guy who would definitely have taken Bryan on as a TA even after such a debacle), then if that professor also reported to the Dean, it would be a termination offense.

Since the word "altercation" is used for a September interaction between professor and BK, I don't think this all started with that session. A grad student left class because of him. Women in the undergrad sections are complaining. It's a lot to handle and it's not really the job of the prof (not a manager), The manager is the Dean. Full stop. I can see a Dean advising such an intervention, though. Deans are often just random people who didn't land anywhere in academia and are floating from place to place (it's all at-will employment in Deanland) and therefore very conscious about trying to keep their own jobs.

MOO.


But in my daily life I see profs doing very different kinds of things.

Well, one thing’s certain—there’s multiple sources for these stories. I’d bet plenty that the person who said: “He was, like, alright, ‘go at him,’” is not the same person who said “altercation.”

MOO

 

[acutename]

BK's alleged sexist attitude towards women should make for an interesting dynamic between him and his female attorney.

his Desales professor who never met him in person just thought he was great

Accused Idaho killer Bryan Kohberger was a 'brilliant student ...​

https://nypost.com › 2023/01/02 › bryan-kohbergers-fo...




Jan 2, 2023 — A former university professor of Bryan Kohberger said the accused killer was “one of my best students, ever” — and that the then-master's ...

His friend Bree, a female, liked him: "


48 Hours

Never-before-seen photos and details about the man accused of murdering four Idaho college students​

By Peter Van Sant

January 7, 2023 / 11:02 PM / CBS News

Bree: I don't necessarily remember the conversations, but you definitely remember how someone makes you feel. … I just remember feeling OK — I was just with a friend. … Just felt natural.

Never-before-seen photos and details about the man accused of murdering four Idaho college students

A portrait of Bryan Kolberger from people who were once close to the alleged killer.

www.cbsnews.com

but then he made creepy comments to women at the PA bar:

Suspect in Idaho killings had made 'creepy' comments to ...​

https://www.nbcnews.com › news › us-news › suspect-i...




Dec 31, 2022 — Jordan Serulneck, 34, the owner of Seven Sirens Brewing Company in Bethlehem, said Kohberger had gone by himself to the brewery a few times and ...

and he had a creepy tinder date:

Woman Details Tinder Date with Bryan Kohberger - Newsweek​

https://www.newsweek.com › bryan-kohberger-tinder-d...




Jan 10, 2023 — The date took place about seven years ago, the woman said. However, her contact with Kohberger was "very brief," lasting no more than 24 hours.


You really ask yourself if this guy has a consistent personna that remembers what it did and said the day before IMO.

 

[agilbe]

Yes, and at the time, there seemed to be some assumption that "pressure" may have been released by the act of killing, resulting in a "kinder, gentler," Bryan Kohberger, but in light of the news about his termination as a TA, I'm more inclined to think he may have dialed back on the harsh grading in an effort to keep the position.

JMO, IMO.

That's what I had been thinking as well. He already knew he was in trouble with the college due to his behavior. Too little, too late I guess. Somebody upthread mentioned that may have been the trigger for what he later did. Just like BTK ( my opinion) not the person who referenced it being a trigger. JMO

 

[SortaSleuthy]

Douglas had nothing to do with those things though. Kemper was in prison already, and List was a family annihilator like Chris Watts, only a bit smarter, and about the same in regards to being a nerdy loser. Douglas had no involvement in that one as well either, at least to my recollection.

Not everyone fits into a perfect mold, which is why phrases like “disorganized” and “organized,” really aren’t used anymore. It’s a spectrum.

But he helped pioneer this stuff, which is an accomplishment in and of itself, even if more insight has been gathered, and thinking has changed.

So nice to see you active again!

 

[10ofRods]

Well, one thing’s certain—there’s multiple sources for these stories. I’d bet plenty that the person who said: “He was, like, alright, ‘go at him,’” is not the same person who said “altercation.”

MOO

Oh that's absolutely true, as far as I can tell.

What we do know is that there "issues" (handled with less than perfect sensitivity) in Pullman. He is fired by a formal action from his job (BEFORE he's accused of murder); he applies for an internship with police and is turned down; he is complained about to student housing for violating noise regulations; he causes a fellow grad student to leave a seminar due to apparent sexism or something like bullying - but the prof apparently did nothing, unless it's the same prof, which I doubt; he is shadow-banned from a bar in PA due to excessive negative interactions - particularly with staff; he alienates his undergraduate students, etc., etc. He also manages to make one other grad student avoid him, because he corners people and talks about crime.

This is not an ordinary personality. He's missing social cues, at the very least.

 

[10ofRods]

his Desales professor who never met him in person just thought he was great

Accused Idaho killer Bryan Kohberger was a 'brilliant student ...​

https://nypost.com › 2023/01/02 › bryan-kohbergers-fo...




Jan 2, 2023 — A former university professor of Bryan Kohberger said the accused killer was “one of my best students, ever” — and that the then-master's ...

His friend Bree, a female, liked him: "


48 Hours

Never-before-seen photos and details about the man accused of murdering four Idaho college students​

By Peter Van Sant

January 7, 2023 / 11:02 PM / CBS News

Bree: I don't necessarily remember the conversations, but you definitely remember how someone makes you feel. … I just remember feeling OK — I was just with a friend. … Just felt natural.

Never-before-seen photos and details about the man accused of murdering four Idaho college students

A portrait of Bryan Kolberger from people who were once close to the alleged killer.

www.cbsnews.com

but then he made creepy comments to women at the PA bar:

Suspect in Idaho killings had made 'creepy' comments to ...​

https://www.nbcnews.com › news › us-news › suspect-i...




Dec 31, 2022 — Jordan Serulneck, 34, the owner of Seven Sirens Brewing Company in Bethlehem, said Kohberger had gone by himself to the brewery a few times and ...

and he had a creepy tinder date:

Woman Details Tinder Date with Bryan Kohberger - Newsweek​

https://www.newsweek.com › bryan-kohberger-tinder-d...




Jan 10, 2023 — The date took place about seven years ago, the woman said. However, her contact with Kohberger was "very brief," lasting no more than 24 hours.


You really ask yourself if this guy has a consistent personna that remembers what it did and said the day before IMO.

Thanks for this list!

If his TapATalk posts have anything to say, he suffers from depersonalization (which is exactly what you are asking - he fails to see connections between prior actions - or, perhaps, even his image in the mirror - and his current states of being and feeling). It may be another way for some people to describe "lack of affect" or "disconnect between conscious thoughts and current feeling states).

Such an individual may not have strong notions of what being a person (in the philosophical sense) might mean. And such a person might manage to appear brilliant and very focused, esp. in an online setting.

 

[Auntie Cipation]

So nice to see you active again!

Now that @MassGuy -- oops, I mean Tom Brady -- has retired again (for real this time, he swears), he has more time to hang out on WS...

 

[ktm44]

Oh that's absolutely true, as far as I can tell.

What we do know is that there "issues" (handled with less than perfect sensitivity) in Pullman. He is fired by a formal action from his job (BEFORE he's accused of murder); he applies for an internship with police and is turned down; he is complained about to student housing for violating noise regulations; he causes a fellow grad student to leave a seminar due to apparent sexism or something like bullying - but the prof apparently did nothing, unless it's the same prof, which I doubt; he is shadow-banned from a bar in PA due to excessive negative interactions - particularly with staff; he alienates his undergraduate students, etc., etc. He also manages to make one other grad student avoid him, because he corners people and talks about crime.

This is not an ordinary personality. He's missing social cues, at the very least.

Do we know that he was turned down for the internship? I suspect he did because things would have started getting serious enough at the final 4 to check references and there seems to be enough social cue issues that someone would have mentioned it.

He also strikes me as someone that would ace any technical or analytical discussion but falter with any part of an interview that relates to humility, empathy or team player.

 

[jepop]

This is all my opinion. And I have shared it before on here. But it's interesting see this fairly common defense tactic play out live in another case.

In the rap artist XXXTentacion case out of Broward County in the face of overwhelming evidence (video of the actual crime, one of the killers cooperating) the Defense has decided to use the "LE had tunnel vision and an overwhelming pressure to solve" approach. And is using social media posts and rap 'beefs' to show others also had motive to kill the rapper.

I think this is likely a preview of what's to come in the BK case.

LE had an overwhelming amount of Elantras, the internet was buzzing with rumors about those adjacent to the victims. The exBF, the Food Truck Video, Others in the media. And the overwhelming National pressure, the pressure from the University and the money it brings into the local economy etc....made them rush to BK.

That's the lens they want the jury to look at the evidence through. And they'll use that vector to attack the evidence or lack thereof.

I'm 110% believe he committed these crimes. I'm just saying this is their best bet. IMO

Just a personal impression. I was reading through some of the threads here for late November/early December. This was the time when LE first identified BK via his Elantra (29th Nov) and first publicly asked the public for assistance in identifying Elantras 2011-2013 (Dec 7). We know from PCA that LE were looking for Elantras 2011-13 but probably up to 2016 from at least November 25th (PCA p8-10).

My impression is that LE would be very aware of the dangers of tunnel vision. I read several transcripted Press Conferences from those early threads, and again and again, Fry is repeating the "looking at all angles and all people" line. It was almost 7 weeks between the crimes and the arrest. I think December was a key time for LE to not only be following up on BK but also all other leads. The call for public help with Elantras was absolutely part of this, IME.

I'm not saying the defense won't try this on. But I do believe that LE have it covered if they do. MOO

 

[10ofRods]

Do we know that he was turned down for the internship? I suspect he did because things would have started getting serious enough at the final 4 to check references and there seems to be enough social cue issues that someone would have mentioned it.

He also strikes me as someone that would ace any technical or analytical discussion but falter with any part of an interview that relates to humility, empathy or team player.

I don't think we do. We know that he proposed to the police that he offer some kind of training (as an intern) regarding the use of digital/telephonic data in criminal cases. AFAIK, he did not get a certificate in that track at DeSales, but may have had one class.

I can see why someone wanting to hire someone to train (an intern) might be put off by the possible intern saying they wanted to train police. Police have academies with very specific requirements for training. They don't hire first year grad students to train them on things, usually.

I'm not sure he can ace a technical problem, either (without pontificating about a theory that he expounds - such as Rational Choice Theory). Rational Choice Theory is very analytical - it's just also extremely narrow and easy to criticize. It was designed by economists, IIRC, for use by economists (but it doesn't work there either, according to profs of economics). So it moved over into criminology, but is rarely used there - or anywhere.

I thought he applied early in the semester (he might have been able to get a couple of references back then - most internships are fine with 2 references from local profs who know the situation). I can't imagine him doing well with social cues, and hopefully, he didn't disrespect any women while applying.

Idaho murders: Bryan Kohberger applied for internship at Pullman Police Department in fall 2022

Brian Kohberger, the criminology Ph.D. student accused of stabbing four University of Idaho students to death in November, applied for an internship in the fall with the local police department in Pullman, Washington, according to a newly released probable cause affidavit.

www.q13fox.com

MOO.

 

[I'm Nobody]

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This is not an ordinary personality. He's missing social cues, at the very least.

Agree BK is "not an ordinary personality." Most serial killers are not.

That is why IMO BK will not take a plea bargain. BK misses social cues.
For the first time in his life, BK is "popular." BK wanted people, pretty girls in particular, to be impressed by him. BK's perception of his notoriety is off; most likely he's able to convert notoriety into fame.

Why kill, motive?? Part of the reason may be the misperceptions, which are beyond me as a layman, but will be studied for years by criminologists and psychologists. The WHYs are important if we as a society act on them. Whys are helpful, not necessary for convictions.

Reality. No, BK's reality is not the same as yours or mine.

MOO

edit 4 clarity & MOO

 

[schooling]

Just a personal impression. I was reading through some of the threads here for late November/early December. This was the time when LE first identified BK via his Elantra (29th Nov) and first publicly asked the public for assistance in identifying Elantras 2011-2013 (Dec 7). We know from PCA that LE were looking for Elantras 2011-13 but probably up to 2016 from at least November 25th (PCA p8-10).

My impression is that LE would be very aware of the dangers of tunnel vision. I read several transcripted Press Conferences from those early threads, and again and again, Fry is repeating the "looking at all angles and all people" line. It was almost 7 weeks between the crimes and the arrest. I think December was a key time for LE to not only be following up on BK but also all other leads. The call for public help with Elantras was absolutely part of this, IME.

I'm not saying the defense won't try this on. But I do believe that LE have it covered if they do. MOO

I totally agree with you. Somewhere in my posting history in mid December I went through a 10 paragraph outline/timeline of events and why I thought police already knew who the owner to the Elantra was.

I think they definitely did their due diligence. I think the FBI likely helped them avoid costly mistakes. And if it wasn't for BK leaving town for the holidays they might have waited and watched him for another week or before arresting him.

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

Agree BK is "not an ordinary personality." Most serial killers are not.

That is why IMO BK will not take a plea bargain. BK misses social cues.
For the first time in his life, BK is "popular." BK wanted people, pretty girls in particular, to be impressed by him. BK's perception of his notoriety is off; most likely he's able to convert notoriety into fame. Reasons for BK's misperceptions are beyond me as a layman, but will be studied for years by criminologists and psychologists. The WHYs are important if we as a society act on them. Whys are helpful, not necessary for convictions.

Reality. No, BK's reality is not the same as yours or mine.

There's no evidence that he's a serial killer though.

 

[Twistinginthewind]

Why do you think that a bench trial (trial by judge,) is likely?

There’s a reason that it’s extremely rare—that it’s seldom in the interests of the defendant. With a jury trial, the defense only has to sway or confuse one person out of twelve. The judge, presumably, isn’t going to fall for the higher standard of ‘guilty beyond the shadow of a doubt.’ And above all, the judge sees attorney shenanigans day in and day out, and is less likely to be swayed by opening statement drama, or a fantasized SODDI defense.

MOO

Good question.

I don't think BK planned long and hard for getting caught and was not expecting to be caught, like he did for other aspects of these crimes.

I don't think he has much of a leg to stand on in terms of evidence to support his innocence.

Although he has a right to a trial by jury, he could waive that and default to a bench trial, which could be quicker, cheaper, less painful for all involved, and not as glaringly public, IMO, if he decides he would prefer to put his fate in the hands of 1 person instead of 12.

Also, he has deferred to having a Public Defender represent him for a reason, like he is an adult version of a "ward of the state", which at it's heart, implies, IMO, that he feels he is "disadvantaged", at least financially if not otherwise.

Just waiting for:

• his "forgetfulness" about what he said to LE at first per his PA lawyer
• his "detached" demeanor mentioned in MSM upon his arrest
• his seeming "cluelessness/lack of remorse" about his unusual behavior interacting with others (as a customer, student and TA)
• his lack of defensive reaction to the seriousness of the accusations against him in which he has only said he "hopes to be exonerated"
• his PD not submitting any physical or forensic exculpatory evidence towards his innocence "at this time" when they said "There are no books, papers, documents, photographs, or copies, or portions thereof in the possession of the Defendant at this time, which will be submitted at the time of trial," Idaho Murders Suspect Bryan Kohberger Tells Prosecutors He Has No Evidence to Present at Trial

to culminate in a finding by defense experts between now and end of June that he has some disorder that renders him incompetent for trial by a jury of his peers.

His defense left that possibility "Open", IMO, when they said (BBM/underline) "There are no results or reports of physical or mental examinations or scientific tests which are in the possession of the Defendant at this time, which will be submitted at the time of trial." Idaho Murders Suspect Bryan Kohberger Tells Prosecutors He Has No Evidence to Present at Trial

I hope I'm wrong and way off base on this, but I wouldn't put it past him to play dumb as a fox, waive his right to a trial by jury, get a judge to consider his "unique circumstances" and be declared incompetent, and scoot off to 3 hot meals and a bed with library privileges in perpetuity without ever having to face the music.

MOO only.

In accordance with Idaho law:

"A trial by jury may be waived in all criminal cases, by the consent of all parties, expressed in open court..."

Section 7 – Idaho State Legislature

 

[Boxer]

I think it was his first time living outside his parents house.

I've always thought that his performance as a grad student was a factor in his complete decompensation (and let's keep in mind that this was not a top criminology program - I think WSU is the only Pac-12 school to have it; it's ranked middle of the pack, as far as I can tell).

I figure he was feeling a mixture of suicidal and homicidal impulses (that's the null hypothesis in a case like this, IMO).

When people feel suicidal, a wise psychiatrist knows that they are thinking about killing an actual human being (in BK's case, he has mentioned depersonalization, though - which makes the situation even more complex).



I didn't hear that they released the contents of his disciplinary letter. Do we have those contents on a link here? I'd appreciate it.

I heard that he was terminated. Which, IMO, takes an action of the governing board to actually take effect (a person can be on unpaid leave indefinitely until that decision is made), and the process of making the decision is supposed to be confidential.

Once the decision is made, it's up to the leaders of the institution to decide what to do, publicly. As I keep saying, teachers' firings are announced all over the US, quite frequently. It's considered a matter of public interest and no institution has an obligation to remain silent about the fact that a person is no longer working for them. At any rate, having watched both faculty and administrators fight to keep details out of the press (and the guy I know lost his battle - and his lawsuit against the college was dismissed), I figure it's a case by case basis. What I've noticed is that our Chancellor and our College Presidents do make a statement when there's an issue involving harassment, discrimination, fraud, embezzlement, etc. Although I also know personally of a case where a dean was given the option to quit or they'd go public once they'd fired her. She quit (retired).



Although he did leave his computer tower and his Fire stick in his apartment, IMO

I've always thought that seemed to indicate he was coming back, but he might have done this to keep his father in the dark. His first step had to be to tell his parents that he didn't have a salary to pay for his apartment come January (even in the best case scenario that he was not yet arrested).

What I'd like to know is whether the Dean of the program got on board, such that he was terminated with cause and therefore ineligible to ever TA again at that institution. I figure the answer is yes, the Dean pushed this through (probably after the altercation with the professor but also may have talked to some of the students - another grad student is reported in MSM as having left the room after feeling harassed by BK...IMO).

It is possible, even likely, that HR gave some vague intermediate instructions to the Dean, who would then convey them to the professor. "Try and find a mutually agreeable solution, whereby the TA and the students feel they can go forward." This was interpreted literally by the prof to mean "we should all get together."

I'll never buy that the prof intentionally wanted a big ole confrontation, but I've seen many well-intentioned discussions on all kind of things go south quickly. And I will say that when I was a young professor, I had a couple of discussions go crazy in ways I never anticipated (I teach human evolution). I was of course mad, but I also went on my own to all kinds of training to try and develop a better classroom management skillset. The problem with teaching human evolution has not gone away (but now the students get trigger warnings, ). I don't know this prof's age, of course, but since they are teaching a large class in an introductory sequence, they might be quite young. Similar techniques are used every day without incident - I believe it was BK who turned it confrontational (which of course the prof should have anticipated - and they will hopefully learn something from this).


IMO.

Here is the news article on his firing and if IIRC they get specific about his letter.

 

[WingsOverTX]

Agree BK is "not an ordinary personality." Most serial killers are not.

That is why IMO BK will not take a plea bargain. BK misses social cues.
For the first time in his life, BK is "popular." BK wanted people, pretty girls in particular, to be impressed by him. BK's perception of his notoriety is off; most likely he's able to convert notoriety into fame.

Why kill, motive?? Part of the reason may be the misperceptions, which are beyond me as a layman, but will be studied for years by criminologists and psychologists. The WHYs are important if we as a society act on them. Whys are helpful, not necessary for convictions.

Reality. No, BK's reality is not the same as yours or mine.

MOO

edit 4 clarity & MOO

I don't see him taking a plea bargain either although he may be pressured to do so.

I wonder how he spends his days right now? Does he have many in person or virtual contacts, get mail, get email, etc.?

He's currently missing out on one of the reasons he committed the crime - notoriety.

The preliminary hearing will be interesting. We may see a more active & energetic defendant than in his limited appearances so far.

JMO

 

[WingsOverTX]

Good question.

I don't think BK planned long and hard for getting caught and was not expecting to be caught, like he did for other aspects of these crimes.

I don't think he has much of a leg to stand on in terms of evidence to support his innocence.

Although he has a right to a trial by jury, he could waive that and default to a bench trial, which could be quicker, cheaper, less painful for all involved, and not as glaringly public, IMO, if he decides he would prefer to put his fate in the hands of 1 person instead of 12.

Also, he has deferred to having a Public Defender represent him for a reason, like he is an adult version of a "ward of the state", which at it's heart, implies, IMO, that he feels he is "disadvantaged", at least financially if not otherwise.

Just waiting for:

• his "forgetfulness" about what he said to LE at first per his PA lawyer
• his "detached" demeanor mentioned in MSM upon his arrest
• his seeming "cluelessness/lack of remorse" about his unusual behavior interacting with others (as a customer, student and TA)
• his lack of defensive reaction to the seriousness of the accusations against him in which he has only said he "hopes to be exonerated"
• his PD not submitting any physical or forensic exculpatory evidence towards his innocence "at this time" when they said "There are no books, papers, documents, photographs, or copies, or portions thereof in the possession of the Defendant at this time, which will be submitted at the time of trial," Idaho Murders Suspect Bryan Kohberger Tells Prosecutors He Has No Evidence to Present at Trial

to culminate in a finding by defense experts between now and end of June that he has some disorder that renders him incompetent for trial by a jury of his peers.

His defense left that possibility "Open", IMO, when they said (BBM) "There are no results or reports of physical or mental examinations or scientific tests which are in the possession of the Defendant at this time, which will be submitted at the time of trial." Idaho Murders Suspect Bryan Kohberger Tells Prosecutors He Has No Evidence to Present at Trial

I hope I'm wrong and way off base on this, but I wouldn't put it past him to play dumb as a fox, waive his right to a trial by jury, get a judge to consider his "unique circumstances" and be declared incompetent, and scoot off to 3 hot meals and a bed with library privileges in perpetuity without ever having to face the music.

MOO only.

In accordance with Idaho law:

"A trial by jury may be waived in all criminal cases, by the consent of all parties, expressed in open court..."

Section 7 – Idaho State Legislature

Good thoughts but incompetency is a rather high bar isn't it? And strictly such a ruling would IMO be a gross miscarriage of justice if it comes to pass.

JMO

 

[jepop]

He could certainly do that but if he is going to say anything, he would need to take the stand in his own defence which would leave him open to cross examination. That might bring up a lot of discussion his attorney may want to avoid, like, 'how did your touch DNA end up on a sheath associated with the murder weapon found under one of the victims'.

Edited for bad grammar

Also the thing about parking behind the house to jog at 4.04am seems a bit problematical but maybe that's just me.

 

[Twistinginthewind]

Good thoughts but incompetency is a rather high bar isn't it? And strictly such a ruling would IMO be a gross miscarriage of justice if it comes to pass.

JMO

I sure hope so, but I wonder, because another person accused of murder in ID (Daybell) was declared incompetent less than 2 years ago (2021), and.... MOO, BK could have read about it before he moved to WA and allegedly committed the murders in ID ...:

"REXBURG, Idaho — An Idaho woman accused of killing her two children has been found mentally incompetent to stand trial in the case.

The orders to halt all criminal proceedings against Lori Vallow were issued Thursday by Judge Steven Boyce. Boyce's ruling came after Vallow was examined by a licensed clinical psychologist. ... [...] ...

"The completed assessment determined that at this time the Defendant is not competent to proceed, and recommends restorative treatment," the judge wrote. ... [...] ...

Both Vallow and Daybell would face up to life in prison or the death penalty if convicted of first-degree murder.
Notably, Idaho does not allow for a so-called "insanity defense" by which a defendant can be found not guilty of a crime due to their mental state."

Lori Vallow declared mentally incompetent to stand trial.

 

[WingsOverTX]

I sure hope so, but I wonder, because another person accused of murder in ID (Daybell) was declared incompetent less than 2 years ago (2021), and.... OMG, MOO, BK could have read about it before he moved to WA and allegedly committed the murders in ID!! ...:

"REXBURG, Idaho — An Idaho woman accused of killing her two children has been found mentally incompetent to stand trial in the case.

The orders to halt all criminal proceedings against Lori Vallow were issued Thursday by Judge Steven Boyce. Boyce's ruling came after Vallow was examined by a licensed clinical psychologist. ... [...] ...

"The completed assessment determined that at this time the Defendant is not competent to proceed, and recommends restorative treatment," the judge wrote. ... [...] ...

Both Vallow and Daybell would face up to life in prison or the death penalty if convicted of first-degree murder.
Notably, Idaho does not allow for a so-called "insanity defense" by which a defendant can be found not guilty of a crime due to their mental state."

Lori Vallow declared mentally incompetent to stand trial.

In November 2022 she was declared competent. I can't find anything more recent that negates that.

I really don't see this as a path for BK. But am open to legal opinions on the matter.