ID - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered - Bryan Kohberger Arrested - Moscow # 71

[BeginnerSleuther]

It is all in the Probable Cause Affidavit

The question I asked isn't in the PCA. That's why I was wondering.

 

[Nova]

Well, we do have the original MPD statement that both of the survivors were sleeping on the first floor....

That's why I chuckled to myself when posters wrote last night that they were only going to believe official releases from LE. LE hasn't been a model of consistency in this case, at least not in the early weeks. LOL.

I wonder whether such conflicting reports can be introduced by the defense at trial to argue the MPD was untrustworthy from get-go. Between the coroner, the prosecutor and the MPD spokesperson, it was sort of "Keystone Kops" there for a short period.

Or are statements to the media outside the scope of admissible evidence? Anybody know?

(Please note: I'm not saying the MPD or other agencies are incompetent. I understand they were confronted with a particularly horrendous mass-murder in a jurisdiction where they hadn't had any murder for 7 or 8 years.

I'm just asking whether they can be made to appear incompetent, based on erroneous reports from the first weeks?)

 

[Nova]

My guess is they had no desire to possibly endanger DM's life by letting the at large killer know there was an eyewitness. JMO

Great point!

 

[Boxer]

I don't follow. Why does it have to be unusual or notable?

The idea the house was a party house and that is why BK targeted it as opposed to anywhere else.
Party houses are very common, so among the many party houses why was this one his target?

I personally believe he followed one of the girls home after work because that is what he does, drives around.
MOO after that he often, 11 times apparently over August, September and October drove by the house in late night, early morning hours. About once a week or so.

 

[Copper107]

The question I asked isn't in the PCA. That's why I was wondering.

They're good questions but none of that has been released. We only have the affidavit to go on at this point.

 

[iamshadow21]

It is all in the Probable Cause Affidavit

As far as I know, there is nothing whatsoever about BF in the PCA besides the time she may have returned home, let alone the ins and outs of what she may or may not have heard.

 

[NCWatcher]

I believe at college
parties you need to know someone.
MOO They are quite
used to people trying to get in who don’t belong.

Not when I was in college! But that was a long time ago. Being a friend of a friend of a friend at bigger sometimes rowdier "party house" parties was quite common. So hosts did not know nearly all their guests lots of times.

 

[Cool Cats]

That's why I chuckled to myself when posters wrote last night that they were only going to believe official releases from LE. LE hasn't been a model of consistency in this case, at least not in the early weeks. LOL.

I wonder whether such conflicting reports can be introduced by the defense at trial to argue the MPD was untrustworthy from get-go. Between the coroner, the prosecutor and the MPD spokesperson, it was sort of "Keystone Kops" there for a short period.

Or are statements to the media outside the scope of admissible evidence? Anybody know?

(Please note: I'm not saying the MPD or other agencies are incompetent. I understand they were confronted with a particularly horrendous mass-murder in a jurisdiction where they hadn't had any murder for 7 or 8 years.

I'm just asking whether they can be made to appear incompetent, based on erroneous reports from the first weeks?)

Conflicting accounts come out alot in MSM articles in big cases like this where they are heavily reported on starting at day one.

Saying the witness was on the first floor may have been to protect her.

What are all these other inconsistencies? From direct press conferences or from MSM articles with "LE sources?"

No, I have never heard of police investigators being discredited because the information coming out right after a murder is not exact. What matters is they are truthful in their arrest and search warrants and submit truthful evidence to the prosecution. Police evidence can evolve and change over time as more is learned and uncovered.

 

[wary]

As far as I know, there is nothing whatsoever about BF in the PCA besides the time she may have returned home, let alone the ins and outs of what she may or may not have heard.

This paragraph, on page 6 of the PCA, implies that there might be something BF can say, when it’s time for her to speak.

“The combination of D.M.'s statements to law enforcement, reviews of forensic downloads of records from B.F. and D.M.'s phone, and video of a suspect video as described below leads investigators to believe the homicides occurred between 4:00 a.m. and 4:25 am.”

MOO

 

[General wooster]

The idea the house was a party house and that is why BK targeted it as opposed to anywhere else.
Party houses are very common, so among the many party houses why was this one his target?

I personally believe he followed one of the girls home after work because that is what he does, drives around.
MOO after that he often, 11 times apparently over August, September and October drove by the house in late night, early morning hours. About once a week or so.

The scarier untold story is about others who he may have stalked but did not act on…thus we have not learned about. IMO it is likely that they and we will never know…doesn’t it seem likely? His hanging out at IU student areas is all about trolling, don’t you think?

 

[iamshadow21]

This paragraph, on page 6 of the PCA, implies that there might be something BF can say, when it’s time for her to speak.

“The combination of D.M.'s statements to law enforcement, reviews of forensic downloads of records from B.F. and D.M.'s phone, and video of a suspect video as described below leads investigators to believe the homicides occurred between 4:00 a.m. and 4:25 am.”

MOO

I'm not debating the window of the crime, or the time, or that she was in the home, or that they got information from her phone! I'm going to try to link back to what I was originally replying from, which was @BeginnerSleuther asking about whether we knew what BF had heard, and if so, whether it was reported anywhere! Those specifics are NOT in the PCA, which is what I was replying to.

ID - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered - Bryan Kohberger Arrested - Moscow # 71

 

[WingsOverTX]

That's why I chuckled to myself when posters wrote last night that they were only going to believe official releases from LE. LE hasn't been a model of consistency in this case, at least not in the early weeks. LOL.

I wonder whether such conflicting reports can be introduced by the defense at trial to argue the MPD was untrustworthy from get-go. Between the coroner, the prosecutor and the MPD spokesperson, it was sort of "Keystone Kops" there for a short period.

Or are statements to the media outside the scope of admissible evidence? Anybody know?

(Please note: I'm not saying the MPD or other agencies are incompetent. I understand they were confronted with a particularly horrendous mass-murder in a jurisdiction where they hadn't had any murder for 7 or 8 years.

I'm just asking whether they can be made to appear incompetent, based on erroneous reports from the first weeks?)

MPD won't be on trial IMO but if necessary can invoke procedural necessity & protection of privacy of victims as "reasons" for inconsistencies.

Even impeaching MPDs credibility with facts wouldn't affect the case (also MOO). We need to remember MPD did not make most decisions about public statements independent from the FBI & other LE working on the case.

The evidence being proven to have been compromised or mishandled by LE could be a defense issue. But we have NO EVIDENCE from sources allowed here to even suggest anything like that that AT THIS TIME.

JMO

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

Not when I was in college! But that was a long time ago. Being a friend of a friend of a friend at bigger sometimes rowdier "party house" parties was quite common. So hosts did not know nearly all their guests lots of times.

Yeah, this was the norm when I was in college too.

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

Conflicting accounts come out alot in MSM articles in big cases like this where they are heavily reported on starting at day one.

Saying the witness was on the first floor may have been to protect her.

What are all these other inconsistencies? From direct press conferences or from MSM articles with "LE sources?"

No, I have never heard of police investigators being discredited because the information coming out right after a murder is not exact. What matters is they are truthful in their arrest and search warrants and submit truthful evidence to the prosecution. Police evidence can evolve and change over time as more is learned and uncovered.

There were a lot of inconsistencies early on. There were too many cooks in the kitchen, IMO, and everyone seemed to have something to say. For instance, a lockdown followed by no threat to the community, then it was a crime of passion, then the target was the house vs an occupant, then it was they were all asleep at the time of the killing, then it was that some were asleep, they were all in bed, then we find out at least one may not have been in bed. I think LE was wise to hire a communications person, though I'm not sure it did much good. They eventually got it together, but there were definitely inconsistencies.

Idaho cops slammed for 'grave contradictions' and poor probe

Idaho police have been accused of contradicting themselves and mishandling evidence as their probe into the slaying of four University of Idaho students approaches its third week.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Mysterious Idaho student killings compounded by police contradictions, experts say

Families are questioning contradictions by Idaho police investigating the deaths of Ethan Chapin, Madison Mogen, Kaylee Goncalves and Xana Kernodle

www.usatoday.com

 

[positive]

But when you are officially told "you are under arrest" you must be read your Miranda rights.

People are questioned all the time about crimes and not read Miranda Rights. Look at YouTube and you see this all the time, cops interviewing people at their jobs, on the street, etc.... Suspecting them of a crime but not arresting them, not reading Miranda Rights. When you see them actually getting arrested they are always read their rights.

I had cops at my door questioning me and my kids because the car in our driveway matched the car a criminal had just used right after he had just robbed a local gas station. The cops made me wake up my sons so they could rule them out because they had the suspect's photo on camera.

I never heard a thing about Miranda Rights.

I guess we just disagree.

 

[Sundog]

On a knife sheath next to Maddie? No.

My post said that if LE found BK's DNA in the house in a location OTHER THAN the knife sheath, then he might explain it's presence due to his being in the house before, stopping by one of the open parties. My post was not talking about the DNA on the knife sheath.

 

[Boxer]

But when you are officially told "you are under arrest" you must be read your Miranda rights.

People are questioned all the time about crimes and not read Miranda Rights. Look at YouTube and you see this all the time, cops interviewing people at their jobs, on the street, etc.... Suspecting them of a crime but not arresting them, not reading Miranda Rights. When you see them actually getting arrested they are always read their rights.

I had cops at my door questioning me and my kids because the car in our driveway matched the car a criminal had just used right after he had just robbed a local gas station. The cops made me wake up my sons so they could rule them out because they had the suspect's photo on camera.

I never heard a thing about Miranda Rights.

You need to be read your Miranda rights before “custodial questioning,” that’s it.
You can be arrested, asked name, address etc. But before questioning about the crime you need to be read your Miranda rights.
Questions before you are arrested are not custodial questions, of course police want exploit that time where no rights have to be read because no arrest has yet occurred.

 

[Sundog]

E

It appears Ethan has a step brother and sister in law

Obituary for Ethan Chapin at Hawthorne Funeral Home

Ethan, a triplet, was born first at 443 pm on a beautiful Tuesday evening in October. He was born at Swedish Hospital in Seattle. Maizie arrived shortly after at 444 and Hunter at 445. Our family spent the first year and half living in Olympia at Summit Lake and then

www.hawthornefh.com

Sounds like Ethan has two step brothers and one step sister. And one sister in law, and one brother in law. Per the obituary.

 

[Sundog]

As far as I know, there is nothing whatsoever about BF in the PCA besides the time she may have returned home, let alone the ins and outs of what she may or may not have heard.

The PCA also mentions some activity on her phone. Doesn't say if she was awake or sleeping, but that there was some activity on her phone. Maybe DM was texting or calling her.

 

[Sundog]

Not when I was in college! But that was a long time ago. Being a friend of a friend of a friend at bigger sometimes rowdier "party house" parties was quite common. So hosts did not know nearly all their guests lots of times.

Agree.