ID - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered - Bryan Kohberger Arrested - Moscow # 71

[BeginnerSleuther]

I've missed quite a bit lately, so apologies if this possibility had already been mentioned. I'm just wondering if at 4am BK was already in the house, and it was he who answered the door and took in the food delivery? Although I suppose the delivery person has already given a description.

Now that's creepy!

 

[iamshadow21]

How did they wake up in the same bed? One of them would have had to walk past E and X's bodies, wouldn't they?

They didn't do anything of the sort, as far as we know. There is no publicly available evidence to suggest it happened at all. It is a theory that has been knocking around since very early on, that the survivors 'sheltered in place' in fear, together, somehow, but there is nothing in MSM or the PCA about this actually happening. If it did, it has not been released in any form or place that can be discussed here as anything other than pure speculation.

The PCA says that D saw the stranger and after he had passed her, that she locked her bedroom door with herself inside. Not that she went wandering through the darkened house, not that she went into any other place, not that she had any contact with any other person. At all. She locked herself in. That's all we know. And until we hear otherwise, I'm going to assume that there was no going down to another room and sleeping together, since we have no source for that at all.

MOO

 

[steeltowngirl]

I've missed quite a bit lately, so apologies if this possibility had already been mentioned. I'm just wondering if at 4am BK was already in the house, and it was he who answered the door and took in the food delivery? Although I suppose the delivery person has already given a description.

Unlikely IMO. The delivery driver would likely remember who answered the door. It appears the food was opened. And Xana was posting on TikTok at 4:12 am.

University of Idaho student Xana Kernodle got DoorDash delivery just minutes before her murder

Kernodle and three of her roommates were stabbed to death by a crazed knifeman between 4 a.m. and 4:25 a.m. on Nov. 13.

nypost.com

'He Lived 1,200 Feet From My Door': Driver Who Brought Idaho Victims Home the Night They Were Killed Is 'Exceptionally Glad' About Suspect's Arrest

"I spent six weeks trying to convince my wife there was not a threat and I was wrong," the ride-share driver, who had brought two of the victims home the night they were killed, told Law&Crime.

lawandcrime.com

 

[danablue1]

Unlikely IMO. The delivery driver would likely remember who answered the door. It appears the food was opened. And Xana was posting on TikTok at 4:12 am.

University of Idaho student Xana Kernodle got DoorDash delivery just minutes before her murder

Kernodle and three of her roommates were stabbed to death by a crazed knifeman between 4 a.m. and 4:25 a.m. on Nov. 13.

nypost.com

'He Lived 1,200 Feet From My Door': Driver Who Brought Idaho Victims Home the Night They Were Killed Is 'Exceptionally Glad' About Suspect's Arrest

"I spent six weeks trying to convince my wife there was not a threat and I was wrong," the ride-share driver, who had brought two of the victims home the night they were killed, told Law&Crime.

lawandcrime.com

A lot of times it’s contactless delivery and the driver drops it off and leaves. Sometimes they wait until it’s picked up sometimes they don’t. They usually take a picture of it to prove delivery though

 

[ktm44]

IMO, LE entitled to clamp down or not release info to media during an investigation. It was, IMO, a tactic by LE not to let it be known where DM was sleeping and that she had seen a person exiting the house. I think it was so important to LE that they even had to answer persistent enquires with misleading info as has been shown upthread here (twitter enquires by journos). MOO. If LE were inconsistent,then there were reasons for that. MOO. Probably, defense will have a go at that but if keeping quiet re DM did two things; (a) protect DM and (b) make the killer feel safe thinking he hadn't been seen and there was noone else on the second floor, then it would be worth the (IMO small) risk. MOO

I don't think much would come of a defence attorney debating a press release that was likely intended to keep a witness safe from media intrusion and if this is the best they can come up with, BK needs a better attorney.

 

[Missyrocks5]

Folks talking about maybe he’s been in the house prior since it’s a party house. Don’t see any of those Greek folks ever being with him but I do think there is one possibility. Halloween was only 12 days earlier. I bet he’s considered doing this a while so maybe he went to the house, if it was possible to get in because he was in a mask. But both surviving roommates can Say the victims didn’t socialize with him plus there’s a mountain of evidence. It’s too much to be a coincidence.

On DM, she needs to be left alone. I always worry articles coming out, we don’t want either of those girls to harm themselve. It’s acknowledged that there would’ve been no saving any of them even if police it and called right away. There will be more evidence that comes out of trial, assuming there is one, which may explain why she didn’t call 911.

 

[ktm44]

So DM who, per the PCA, was shocked and went back into her room and locked the door and was (IMO) too scared to check on Xana on the 2nd floor left the bedroom to go downstairs to the 1st floor? I totally buy that she was too scared to do anything (I actually posted on one of the first days after the murders that if the 2 roommates were awake, they were likely scared and hiding until morning), but I can't picture her willingly coming out of that 2nd floor room to go down to the first when she had no idea what she'd find down there.

I agree and although we have no information that contradicts her statement, the only thing that could change my mind on that would be if the two roommates had been texting each other and she was aware that the lower roommate was safe.

Contradicting that theory would be the fear of encontering danger or something she may find scary between leaving the perceived safety of her room to get to the perceived safety of another lower room.

 

[wary]

Protecting DM and BF makes perfect sense to me, as you explain it.

I was thinking more about "they were all asleep in their beds", "the intruder targeted one person; no threat to the community" v. "the intruder targeted the house", "crime of passion" v. "premeditated and carefully planned", etc.

I am well aware that SCOTUS allows LE to mislead suspects and I assume it is legal to release false info to the media. But that in itself doesn't preclude a defense attorney from arguing that given all the erroneous info released, LE is not to be trusted in this case.

I’m just singling out ‘crime of passion,’ here. As far as I know, that concept came from the mayor, not from LE, and was presented, the time I’m thinking of, anyway, as one of a number of possibilities.

No clear answers in deaths of 4 Idaho students found dead near campus, mayor says

The mayor of Moscow, Idaho, said the University of Idaho students could have been victims of a property crime "gone wrong" or a "crime of passion."

www.nbcnews.com

MOO

 

[ktm44]

They didn't do anything of the sort, as far as we know. There is no publicly available evidence to suggest it happened at all. It is a theory that has been knocking around since very early on, that the survivors 'sheltered in place' in fear, together, somehow, but there is nothing in MSM or the PCA about this actually happening. If it did, it has not been released in any form or place that can be discussed here as anything other than pure speculation.

The PCA says that D saw the stranger and after he had passed her, that she locked her bedroom door with herself inside. Not that she went wandering through the darkened house, not that she went into any other place, not that she had any contact with any other person. At all. She locked herself in. That's all we know. And until we hear otherwise, I'm going to assume that there was no going down to another room and sleeping together, since we have no source for that at all.

MOO

I think think a lot of speculation began with the PCA wording. People seem focued on her comment about having 'originally woken up ....' and some jumped to the conclusion that sometime later on she woke up someplace else.

Time could prove me wrong but I agree with others who feel that someone that terrified is unlikely to step out into the unknown to hide someplace else.

 

[Nila Aella]

Bundy attacked four at the Chi Omega house in under fifteen minutes. He'd never been in the house before, he improvised a murder weapon from a piece of firewood, and had ample time to also sexually assault the two girls who died. He also did it in near complete darkness.

It is more than possible, the fact that Bundy did it means BK knew he could do it. MOO

There are some differences. This was 11 minutes, not all victims were sleeping (at least one was awake and fought back), and this was on two different floors in a house with a strange layout. JMO

 

[Megnut]

At 4am, presumably everybody was asleep. Except X. Except BK.

It would appear that At least two things might have occurred near-simultaneously -- Door Dash arrived and BK was parking.

IF X accepted her delivery in hand or even retrieved it contact-freely, she could have been on the lower level from 4 am to 4:12. She could have sat down on the stairs to eat her food, enoy her tiktok, disturb nobody...

It's possible the K told M "there's somebody here" -- because she heard a sound, heard the sliding door, heard the door dash delivery, heard BK -- and identified the sound as distinct from sounds her roommates might make. (She may have looked out a window, saw a figure, or hearing what she heard, shut Murphy in her room and crossed over to M's room.)

But it's also possible X said it. To Ethan.

Consider: X is on the lower level when BK enters (around 4:06, 4:08, 4:10) and proceeds directly to M's room. X reaches the middle level. 4:12. And something is off. The slider is open. Something. Not necessarily scary at this point, just weird. Weird enough to tell Ethan. Ethan gets out of bed to investigate. Steps into the doorway where he encounters BK, returning from the third floor.

IMO one targeted murder, three reactive murders and a fast retreat.

JMO

 

[ktm44]

At 4am, presumably entire was asleep. Except X. Except BK.

It would appear that At least two things might have occurred near-simultaneously -- Door Dash arrived and BK was parking.

IF X accepted her delivery in hand or even retrieved it contact-freely, she could have been on the lower level from 4 am to 4:12. She could have sat down on the stairs to eat her food, enoy her tiktok, disturb nobody...

It's possible the K told M "there's somebody here" -- because she heard a sound, heard the sliding door, heard the door dash delivery, heard BK -- and identified the sound as distinct from sounds her roommates might make. (She may have looked out a window, saw a figure, or hearing what she heard, shut Murphy in her room and crossed over to M's room.)

But it's also possible X said it. To Ethan.

Consider: X is on the lower level when BK enters (around 4:06, 4:08, 4:10) and proceeds directly to M's room. X reaches the middle level. 4:12. And something is off. The slider is open. Something. Not necessarily scary at this point, just weird. Weird enough to tell Ethan. Ethan gets out of bed to investigate. Steps into the doorway where he encounters BK, returning from the third floor.

IMO one targeted murder, three reactive murders and a fast retreat.

JMO

SG indicated that K's bed was made and she often slept in the same bed as M and the PCA indicated that both young women were found 'in' the same bed'. Has something different been released that I'm unaware of?

 

[Nila Aella]

At 4am, presumably entire was asleep. Except X. Except BK.

It would appear that At least two things might have occurred near-simultaneously -- Door Dash arrived and BK was parking.

IF X accepted her delivery in hand or even retrieved it contact-freely, she could have been on the lower level from 4 am to 4:12. She could have sat down on the stairs to eat her food, enoy her tiktok, disturb nobody...

It's possible the K told M "there's somebody here" -- because she heard a sound, heard the sliding door, heard the door dash delivery, heard BK -- and identified the sound as distinct from sounds her roommates might make. (She may have looked out a window, saw a figure, or hearing what she heard, shut Murphy in her room and crossed over to M's room.)

But it's also possible X said it. To Ethan.

Consider: X is on the lower level when BK enters (around 4:06, 4:08, 4:10) and proceeds directly to M's room. X reaches the middle level. 4:12. And something is off. The slider is open. Something. Not necessarily scary at this point, just weird. Weird enough to tell Ethan. Ethan gets out of bed to investigate. Steps into the doorway where he encounters BK, returning from the third floor.

IMO one targeted murder, three reactive murders and a fast retreat.

JMO

DM opened her door and looked after the "there's someone here" and did not see anything according to the PCA (page 4).

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/case/CR29-22-2805/122922%20Affidavit%20-%20Exhibit%20A%20-%20Statement%20of%20Brett-Payne.pdf

 

[Megnut]

SG indicated that K's bed was made and she often slept in the same bed as M and the PCA indicated that both young women were found 'in' the same bed'. Has something different been released that I'm unaware of?

Nope. Nothing new. I was offering a scenario if K spoke the words D heard. I think it's probably safe to assume that K let Murphy out when they returned from the food truck and shut him in her room, herself falling asleep in M's bed.

JMO

 

[Megnut]

DM opened her door and looked after the "there's someone here" and did not see anything according to the PCA (page 4).

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/case/CR29-22-2805/122922%20Affidavit%20-%20Exhibit%20A%20-%20Statement%20of%20Brett-Payne.pdf

Yes, and it's possible that both X and E were fully inside X's room (alive) and BK was still upstairs when D peered out.

JMO

 

[RonSwanson33]

DBM

 

[Cool Cats]

I'm not denying they did a good job, absolutely. But there were a number of inconsistencies.

I only find one inconsistency, not a "number" of them. If there were more I haven't seen any even though I have asked for proof. I find one blown out of proportion. Typical of the NYP and DM.

I would like to see this long list of inconsistencies. It has been mentioned here and there on the thread so I am curious as to what all these are. I wasn't on here until more recently, I missed most earlier discussions.

I am only talking about what LE officially announced. Not the rumors and media speculation which happen in all crimes like this.

 

[pittsburghgirl]

Conflicting accounts come out alot in MSM articles in big cases like this where they are heavily reported on starting at day one.

Saying the witness was on the first floor may have been to protect her.

What are all these other inconsistencies? From direct press conferences or from MSM articles with "LE sources?"

No, I have never heard of police investigators being discredited because the information coming out right after a murder is not exact. What matters is they are truthful in their arrest and search warrants and submit truthful evidence to the prosecution. Police evidence can evolve and change over time as more is learned and uncovered.

This is why police INVESTIGATE. What they learn as they investigate changes their understanding of what happened.

 

[Deleted member 718]

This isn't a new article, just wanted to remind members that the PA search warrant could be unsealed later this month. I'm looking forward to seeing what LE found at the family home and in his car. Especially his car.

Could search warrant for Kohberger's family's Pa. home be unsealed next?

A gag order remains in place preventing anyone involved from discussing the case, though we may learn more before the June preliminary hearing.

www.wfmz.com

"Kohberger's Pennsylvania public defender Jason Labar told 69 News sealed search warrants unseal after 60 days from when they were signed, unless a motion is filed earlier. That means the search warrants for Kohberger's parents' Chestnuthill Township home may be unsealed at the end of February or early March."

 

[pittsburghgirl]

Protecting DM and BF makes perfect sense to me, as you explain it.

I was thinking more about "they were all asleep in their beds", "the intruder targeted one person; no threat to the community" v. "the intruder targeted the house", "crime of passion" v. "premeditated and carefully planned", etc.

I am well aware that SCOTUS allows LE to mislead suspects and I assume it is legal to release false info to the media. But that in itself doesn't preclude a defense attorney from arguing that given all the erroneous info released, LE is not to be trusted in this case.

Yeah, but then what the prosecutor does is have a witness to explain, for example, how LE's understanding of the case evolved. Juries are capable of understanding that something looked like X at the beginning of the case and new information led to a new view.