GUILTY ID - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #104

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  • #721
Just a stall tactic, and another Hail Mary pass aimed at hopefully getting the DP removed from the case...a tip about a potential alternate suspect, or an expert to state that the murders were likely done by two people with two weapons., all coming to light just now, two and a half years after the arrest of BK, in order to highlight what the defense has not been able to investigate because of claims of either not getting discovery in a timely matter, or of getting so much discovery that the defense has not had time to look at it all. BTW, two murderers, which I do not think anyone believes that there were, would still not preclude BK from being one of the two, especially given that it is HIS DNA on a knife sheath that was found in the bed with a brutally knifed victim. If he had a co-conspirator, and I do not think that anyone believes that either, he may want to start naming names, because I do not believe the defense is going to convince anyone that there were two murderers, and BK was neither of them. JMO
Just to be clear — I was only sharing what I heard AT allude to in hearing. I don’t believe there was anyone else except BK and my opinion is based on evidence we have knowledge of right now. It doesn’t sound like defense will offer anything to the contrary and I’m expecting the state to only build an even stronger case with more evidence! MOO. MOO. MOO!
 
  • #722
Apparently this was *before* AT decided to enfeeble BK.

I suspect BK has been perfectly capable of buttoning buttons, zipping zippers, tying ties, buckling belts, wearing shoes, just generally dressing himself for years. In fact, he even buys his own clothes. #dickiesreceipt

Of course that was all before BK's chair started sinking into the courtroom basement.

JMO


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  • #723
Author Howard Blum spent time embedded with the defense investigator while preparing to write and wrote in his book, "When the Night Comes Falling," that the defense investigator found a clear linkage to the organized crime/drug world that apparently made sense and allegedly had evidence that fits with this case. So that is what I am expecting will be brought up. JMO.

What would be interesting, and theoretically may actually be possible, is if the prosecution presents the same theory, but with BK as the enforcer for the OC group. JMO.

Eventually we will find out if Howard Blum was right or wrong. JMO.

All JMO.
This just isn't how crimes like that happen. They're loud, they're messy, they're brazen; someone walks in with a gun and starts shooting. These victims don't come remotely close to matching any profile of victims in an organized crime attack.

I can't find any precedent for a crime like this in American history (with their victimology).

This all makes complete sense with BK as a lone attacker, doing this for his own sick reasons (hatred of women, committing the perfect crime). The evidence completely supports that, and this simply does not work as a gangland drug hit.

Howard Blum has a vested interest in shaking up the narrative, and pursuing angles that others are not. That stuff sells, and it's way more exciting than some loser doing exactly what the prosecution says he did.

I do hope the defense goes this route though, as the jury will have to weigh the supported, and the absurd. Then they'll laugh, and convict him of quadruple murder.
 
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Author Howard Blum spent time embedded with the defense investigator while preparing to write and wrote in his book, "When the Night Comes Falling," that the defense investigator found a clear linkage to the organized crime/drug world that apparently made sense and allegedly had evidence that fits with this case. So that is what I am expecting will be brought up. JMO.

What would be interesting, and theoretically may actually be possible, is if the prosecution presents the same theory, but with BK as the enforcer for the OC group. JMO.

Eventually we will find out if Howard Blum was right or wrong. JMO.

All JMO.
There has been zero evidence presented and absolutely no credible mention of any organized crime/drug world linkage to this case., to my knowledge. None. I didn't realize that Howard Blum was part of the defense team. Will he be sharing this evidence with the court, or must we buy his book in order to learn of it? JMO
 
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This back and forth is all about the use of the term: "touch." Both the Defense and the Prosecution experts have used the term "touch" when describing the DNA on the sheath. This defense attorney is now arguing that that term leads one to think they know how the DNA got on the sheath which may be incorrect or speculative. The Defense wants that term banned from the proceedings. The concern from Prosecution and Judge is a mistrial IF the term slips out during testimony.

Judge does not want to police experts in their own field but does want counsel to work with their witnesses to refrain from using the term.

Autism is a lifetime thing. However, depending on where one is on the spectrum they can mitigate their behaviors. Can't tie Shoe laces? Get shoes without laces. Don't understand social queues? Learn what the proper reaction is supposed to be in a given situation. Can't sit still? Become that guy (or gal) who paces when talking. Your diagnosis at 5 will be different than it is at 20 for most people who are on the higher functioning side of the Autism scale. There is a number associated with your severity in various test results, and since most children get some help to learn compensation techniques, the number is often in the less severe range as you get older. For learning disorders they want an evaluation from no more than 10 years prior simply because people do learn compensation techniques. For those I knew with Autism specifically, it was similar.

What BK's situation was at 5 has no bearing on where he falls on the spectrum now, even if he did have an evaluation. IMOO, based on life experience with what is euphemistically called "Special Needs" children and the really stupid way (also IMO) that they group the kids into that category.
This explains a lot to me, because I've long felt that in my 5 and a half years of university classes, I had multiple professors who I believe had some degree of autism. And now that I think about it, probably one TA as well!

Autism obviously doesn't disqualify anyone from holding positions of some prestige, and in fact, in some cases, might even make them better suited to do the job than someone without, IMO.
 
  • #726
Will she do it?

You are so right -- they embarrassed themselves.

Seriously underestimated the judge.

Will she question Ballance? She knows he doesn't have what she's asking for.

Will she bring Sy Ray to trial?

So far, she's tried to confuse the judge, and it didn't go so well for her. We know she'll try to confuse the jury -- because frankly, it's all she got.

But I'm curious how far she'll actually take this, as an officer of the court. Stern warnings from the judge. Spank.

JMO
Oh I’m sure she’ll still ask Ballance, as the worst case scenario is she gets the same answer she already has (they weren’t able to get those records).

SY will certainly testify, as he can rebut the drive testing stuff, and any other data the prosecution presents in regards to cell phone tracking.

Of course he can’t testify to where BK’s phone was during the murders, which is obviously the most important timeframe.

Standard battle of the experts, which he is sure to lose. He got dealt a bad hand though.
 
  • #727
Author Howard Blum spent time embedded with the defense investigator while preparing to write and wrote in his book, "When the Night Comes Falling," that the defense investigator found a clear linkage to the organized crime/drug world that apparently made sense and allegedly had evidence that fits with this case. So that is what I am expecting will be brought up. JMO.

What would be interesting, and theoretically may actually be possible, is if the prosecution presents the same theory, but with BK as the enforcer for the OC group. JMO.

Eventually we will find out if Howard Blum was right or wrong. JMO.

All JMO.
Howard Blum wrote in his book that he believes BK did it and that he acted alone. That it was not a transactional or pragmatic crime. That he had crossed paths with MM and she was the target.
 
  • #728
This documentary looks like trash, just from the clips I’ve seen, but I do find this visual of the house layout somewhat helpful.

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  • #729
And as for this "other potential suspect,"
AT said she needs more time to view discovery, Judge was not happy about that.

Judge just called AT out. Reminding her she asked for a delay, which he granted, so why are they waiting until NOW to do this?

AT said they haven't had time to look at discovery.

She whined that there was hundreds of hours of street traffic to look through, and it wasn't all labeled w/specifics, so she has to try and look at each one to see when and where...

And I think she had expected the state to have looked at each one and put a label with date and location. 🥴

Hippler reminded AT she had taken on a new DP case since this one began - he asked why she would take this additional case on when she was already overwhelmed with BK’s. Ouch!!

These cases have become ridiculous. They should be done and dusted in a year if you look at other jurisdictions.

AT files an absurd number of motions mostly designed to grind the case to a halt. Remember the entire franks phase?

Now after two years she has a lead on a new suspect? it’s all nonsense.

MOO
 
  • #730
Taylor left her position last month as chief of the Kootenai County Public Defender’s Office and has transitioned into private practice, court records showed."


Rsbm.

Good move on AT's part. Her star is probably still shiny & this was probably a huge pay bump. It will be less so after BK's trial since it's a case they will lose, imo. (Not to say she's not trying because she is. But her high-dollar value will decrease a little bit when BK goes down in flames. MOO.)
 
  • #731
These cases have become ridiculous. They should be done and dusted in a year if you look at other jurisdictions.

AT files an absurd number of motions mostly designed to grind the case to a halt. Remember the entire franks phase?

Now after two years she has a lead on a new suspect? it’s all nonsense.

MOO
I'm not going to argue there haven't been delays, some of which probably could have been avoided. But in any US jurisdiction these days, I don't think high-profile, multiple murder, death penalty cases are on a rocket docket. Although I don't have the statistics to prove it, personally I doubt very many cases falling into all of the above 3 categories are tried within a year.

For example, in Colorado the sentencing of James Holmes (theater killings) occurred more than 3 years after the crime (and he was arrested the same night the crime occurred. The guilt phase of his trial ended almost 3 years to the day after the crime.) The OJ case did go to trial within a year of the crime but the trial then lasted an exhausting 8 months! And the death penalty was not a possibility in that case had OJ been found guilty. Finally, although there was only a single victim, the Jodi Arias trial in Arizona WAS high-profile AND carried the possibility of the death penalty. Arias was indicted for murder by a grand jury about a month after the crime in July 2008. She was found guilty of first degree murder in May 2013, nearly 5 years after the crime. Two penalty phases ended in mistrials because jurors could not agree. The judge sentenced Arias.to life without the possibility of parole in April 2015, nearly 7 years after the crime (as the DP can only be given by a jury.) I just don't think the timeline for BK's case is outside of the norm for similar cases, at least not yet.

I agree watching the delays in the BK case can be frustrating. I realize people are different and have different preferences but I'd rather there be delays now than risking mistakes being made that could lead to the need for a do-over trial later on.
MOO
 
  • #732
I'm not going to argue there haven't been delays, some of which probably could have been avoided. But in any US jurisdiction these days, I don't think high-profile, multiple murder, death penalty cases are on a rocket docket. Although I don't have the statistics to prove it, personally I doubt very many cases falling into all of the above 3 categories are tried within a year.

For example, in Colorado the sentencing of James Holmes (theater killings) occurred more than 3 years after the crime (and he was arrested the same night the crime occurred. The guilt phase of his trial ended almost 3 years to the day after the crime.) The OJ case did go to trial within a year of the crime but the trial then lasted an exhausting 8 months! And the death penalty was not a possibility in that case had OJ been found guilty. Finally, although there was only a single victim, the Jodi Arias trial in Arizona WAS high-profile AND carried the possibility of the death penalty. Arias was indicted for murder by a grand jury about a month after the crime in July 2008. She was found guilty of first degree murder in May 2013, nearly 5 years after the crime. Two penalty phases ended in mistrials because jurors could not agree. The judge sentenced Arias.to life without the possibility of parole in April 2015, nearly 7 years after the crime (as the DP can only be given by a jury.) I just don't think the timeline for BK's case is outside of the norm for similar cases, at least not yet.

I agree watching the delays in the BK case can be frustrating. I realize people are different and have different preferences but I'd rather there be delays now than risking mistakes being made that could lead to the need for a do-over trial later on.
MOO

sorry i mean non US
 
  • #733
sorry i mean non US
Oh, ok. I didn't realize that's what you meant by comparing BK's case to those in different "jurisdictions." I'd assume our US Constitution differs from others though resulting in different "rules." And as such, motions WILL differ as likely will the number of motions.

Also I know many countries don't have the death penalty as does the federal gov't & some US states like Idaho.. Certainly one of many reasons people in the US may object to the DP is that trials are more costly and they take longer with lots of legal wrangling upfront. Moving slowly during the pre-trial period of DP cases makes sense to me. Countries may also differ on how and when a defendant can refuse to testify and whether juries are used and how jurors are chosen.
MOO
 
  • #734
Oh, ok. I didn't realize that's what you meant by comparing BK's case to those in different "jurisdictions." I'd assume our US Constitution differs from others though resulting in different "rules." And as such, motions WILL differ as likely will the number of motions.

Also I know many countries don't have the death penalty as does the federal gov't & some US states like Idaho.. Certainly one of many reasons people in the US may object to the DP is that trials are more costly and they take longer with lots of legal wrangling upfront. Moving slowly during the pre-trial period of DP cases makes sense to me. Countries may also differ on how and when a defendant can refuse to testify and whether juries are used and how jurors are chosen.
MOO

i think it's a load of nonsense personally.

The case is not complicated. They've got his DNA at the scene. There are some digital forensics. The blowout in the pretrial phase is bonkers to me

One year is easily enough time to get ready. For it to take 3 years is wild, compared to the UK for example - where a year is pretty common.
 
  • #735
Since this “clue” doesn’t seem to have taken root (I can find nothing recent except Coffindaffer’s brief reference two days ago), I am thinking it must not have much merit, or been an erroneous extrapolation of the PA home search warrant.

Sorry to have gotten so excited! 🫣
No need to be sorry Lets, the ID's found in the PA SW could have held some potential associated to the case or LE would not have confiscated them to begin with. We don't know exactly what they were except ID's found (hidden) in a glove inside of a box.

I personally find it odd, but as we know BK is beyond odd. He's a cold blooded, mass murderer. I'm not ruling anything out as possible at this point.

JMO
 
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i think it's a load of nonsense personally.

The case is not complicated. They've got his DNA at the scene. There are some digital forensics. The blowout in the pretrial phase is bonkers to me

One year is easily enough time to get ready. For it to take 3 years is wild, compared to the UK for example - where a year is pretty common.
Do they have the death penalty in the UK? I was under the impression they don't. A DP case always moves more slowly. (And certainly should IMO.)

Regardless, BK's case is within the norm timewise for high profile, multiple murder, DP cases in the US. And as I said before I've never heard of a case that fits the above description being tried in a year. I'm glad we have the Constitutional protections we have even if things move more slowly. And it's not as though BK is running around free in the meantime!

I do agree with your English jurist Blackstone though. Better 10 guilty people go free than have 1 innocent to suffer. And preserving that ratio may mean moving more slowly than one would like.
MOO
 
  • #739
More than one, and IIRC I want to say 10 or maybe even a dozen. JMO
Mysterious. MOO The searchers would not bother taking a stack of his own old IDs.
 
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I imagine the State has his phone.

They'll know if his phone was in landscape or portrait when he turned it off.

Hello, CAST report.

Goodbye, Sy.

JMO
And bye bye Bry
 
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