GUILTY ID - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #98

[mrjitty]

Once the expert has "established" this "somewhere else," though, and asserted that BK was there, if BK took the stand (which I'm sure he never will), couldn't the prosecutor ask him what he was doing at xyz "established" point?

yes - so we end up back at my original question. How do you get in an alibi of star gazing if BK does not testify?

IMO he would have to, unless someone else (e.g his parents?) are going to say he had a habit of doing this?

 

[iamshadow21]

yes - so we end up back at my original question. How do you get in an alibi of star gazing if BK does not testify?

IMO he would have to, unless someone else (e.g his parents?) are going to say he had a habit of doing this?

You'd have to have someone who was an actual witness, someone who went stargazing with him. Someone who only knew he went out for hours at a time in the dead of night would do more harm than good to his narrative. It doesn't take a juror of superior intellect to deduce that he could have been out prowling and creepy crawling houses rather than stargazing if no one saw him doing it.

MOO

 

[Nila Aella]

I get that Sy Ray could attempt to provide evidence that BK was lurking somewhere else in the dead of night - which is an alibi of sorts.

I just don't get how he'd be able to say what BK was doing there. "Star gazing" seems like testimony by counsel. You'd need some other witness to say BK had the hobby of star gazing?

yes - so we end up back at my original question. How do you get in an alibi of star gazing if BK does not testify?

IMO he would have to, unless someone else (e.g his parents?) are going to say he had a habit of doing this?

Every electronic device BK owns and all the data on them is in evidence.
Including 6 years of data from I cloud accounts.
jmo

I doubt it will overturn how IGG is used. It's established science now and widely used. The methods are Gold Standard. If it were overturned, it would overturn many, many convictions in this country- including the one of my cousin's murderer. I don't see it happening.

The standard is to confirm an IGG result with a direct sample before an arrest.
jmo

I think the D would have presented these as a possible SODDI alibi rather than BK just star gazing if there were any legitimacy to them. I believe that the people you mentioned have been investigated and cleared by LE.

The Judge in Delphi wouldn't allow SODDI info to come in unless there was a provable nexus to the crime thank goodness.

JMO

Two unknown male DNA found inside the house.
The D has provided additional discovery.

jmo

 

[Tapeartree]

Every electronic device BK owns and all the data on them is in evidence.
Including 6 years of data from I cloud accounts.
jmo

The standard is to confirm an IGG result with a direct sample before an arrest.
jmo

Two unknown male DNA found inside the house.
The D has provided additional discovery.

jmo

I don't know what the standard is for confirming IGG results. If the geneology results were not opted out of for LE use, would any standard really matter?

I imagine there was a lot of male DNA found inside the house as it was a known party house.

 

[girlhasnoname]

yes - so we end up back at my original question. How do you get in an alibi of star gazing if BK does not testify?

IMO he would have to, unless someone else (e.g his parents?) are going to say he had a habit of doing this?

Which would then open the door to his parents being crossed by the State and could probably start a crap show of epic proportions. JMO

Do you think his parents will be called as witnesses by either side?

 

[Nila Aella]

I don't know what the standard is for confirming IGG results. If the geneology results were not opted out of for LE use, would any standard really matter?

The standard for an arrest matters.
DOJ has a arrest policy for a reason.
jmo

I imagine there was a lot of male DNA found inside the house as it was a known party house.

There was 2 unknown male DNA found inside the house.
Evidence collected would be evidence the forensic technician believes is a significant sample at the crime scene. They do not collect samples from everywhere.
Where it was found does matter.
jmo

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

There are whispers on social media of a few potential SODDI scapegoats.

One is a neighbour, a chef with a large knife collection, who did some early press interviews, talking about crashing one of their parties once before. Then a couple of you-tubers started pointing at him publicly, and he left town, I believe.

Lots of talk early on about KG's ex---she had called him a few times and asked him to come over that night but he didn't respond. He lives close enough to walk over, and the dog wouldn't bark at him, so...but I don't see much motive.

And if they want to go full conspiracy theory---an ex roommate and her boyfriend were arrested for selling drugs and it's rumoured she still sold drugs out of that house sometimes. Many on SM platforms are high on this SODDI theory.

They'd have to file a motion to get this SODDI evidence admitted though---correct?

In theory and not specific to this case alone, if a defence were to heavily argue SODDI, would they simultaneously be also working on sleuthing the other suspect and handing over all findings to LE real time?

I would be hard to imagine anyone could be truly convinced 'the real killer' is walking free and parking that idea until a court hearing down the line.

 

[mrjitty]

Every electronic device BK owns and all the data on them is in evidence.
Including 6 years of data from I cloud accounts.
jmo

RSBM - Sure that could help if there was stuff to suggest that hobby, or he sent a message to that effect?

 

[browneyes]

yes - so we end up back at my original question. How do you get in an alibi of star gazing if BK does not testify?

IMO he would have to, unless someone else (e.g his parents?) are going to say he had a habit of doing this?

I don’t see how stargazing alone is an alibi. Even if it was a hobby. The alibi must be established. He’s toast.

 

[Nila Aella]

I don’t see how stargazing alone is an alibi.

The D never said it was
jmo

Even if it was a hobby. The alibi must be established. He’s toast.

Alibi submissions

Evidence corroborating Mr. Kohberger being at a location other than the King Road address will be disclosed pursuant to discovery and evidentiary rules as well as statutory requirements. It is anticipated this evidence may be offered by way of cross-examination of witnesses produced by the State as well as calling expert witnesses.

https://s3.us-west-2.amazonaws.com/isc.coi/CR29-22-2805/072423+Notice+of+Defendants+Response+to+States+Alibi+Demand.pdf

Mr. Kohberger moved to Pullman, Washington in June of 2022. As an avid runner and hiker, he explored many areas of the Palouse. Of note, he explored Wawawai Park in July of 2022 and this became a favorite location. After the school year began, Mr. Kohberger was busy with classes and work at Washington State University and his running and hiking decreased but did not stop. Instead, his nighttime drives increased. This is supported by data from Mr. Kohberger’s phone showing him in the countryside late at night and/or in the early morning on several occasions. The phone data includes numerous photographs taken on several different late evenings and early mornings, including in November, depicting the night sky.

Mr. Kohberger was out driving in the early morning hours of November 13, 2022; as he often did to hike and run and/or see the moon and stars. He drove throughout the area south of Pullman, Washington, west of Moscow, Idaho including Wawawai Park.

PARTIAL CORROBORATION
Mr. Kohberger intends to offer testimony of Sy Ray, CSLI expert.....

Additional information as to Mr. Kohberger’s whereabouts as the early morning hours progressed, including additional analysis by Mr. Ray will be provided....

https://s3.us-west-2.amazonaws.com/isc.coi/CR29-22-2805/2024/041724-Notice-Defendants-Supplemental-Response-States-AD.pdf

The D has since provided more discovery to the P (sealed and protected).
jmo

 

[girlhasnoname]

Every electronic device BK owns and all the data on them is in evidence.
Including 6 years of data from I cloud accounts.
jmo

The standard is to confirm an IGG result with a direct sample before an arrest.
jmo

Two unknown male DNA found inside the house.
The D has provided additional discovery.

I'm surprised there wasn't much more unidentified male DNA found in the home to be honest, and I'm not saying that in a judgmental or flippant way. My own sorority house must have been a veritable Petri dish.

We've seen the videos showing parties and get togethers with them as a group, and some even when none of the roommates were present. Random male DNA does not surprise or worry me. I wonder if the State has identified that DNA now? It was disclosed early on in the investigation IIRC.

JMO

 

[Nila Aella]

I'm surprised there wasn't much more unidentified male DNA found in the home to be honest, and I'm not saying that in a judgmental or flippant way. My own sorority house must have been a veritable Petri dish.

We've seen the videos showing parties and get togethers with them as a group, and some even when none of the roommates were present. Random male DNA does not surprise or worry me. I wonder if the State has identified that DNA now? It was disclosed early on in the investigation IIRC.

JMO

Random DNA would not have been collected.
DNA from areas of the crime scene likely to produce a result would be collected.
The location of the two unknown male DNA is not public.
Per the State, the State aided the D in testing additional trace DNA.
jmo

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

Once the expert has "established" this "somewhere else," though, and asserted that BK was there, if BK took the stand (which I'm sure he never will), couldn't the prosecutor ask him what he was doing at xyz "established" point?

If I were BK here's what I would say:

So, through my college research I linked up with a sociopathic ex offender. He told me he would show me the 'perfect crime' and how easy it is to get away with it. I thought he was a fantasist and delusional and was going to see what he had to say then hand all the information over to LE. He told me he would go in the house, take loads of photos of girls sleeping and then leave. I had no idea he was capable of such a crime and haven't told anyone because he's a high ranking crime lord with people everywhere and I'm safer in prison.

 

[Justice101]

yes - so we end up back at my original question. How do you get in an alibi of star gazing if BK does not testify?

IMO he would have to, unless someone else (e.g his parents?) are going to say he had a habit of doing this?

Yeh, but everyone in the world knows that is not an alibi. An alibi is specific information that is verifiable.

Unless the D has some other bomb shell hard evidence of an alibi, then they are just shooting blanks.

Honestly, in my opinion, the D has very little to work with. 1) Their client is guilty, 2) There is a lot of evidence that he did it (DNA, location data, car, eyewitness that does not exclude him), 3) BK's alibi is immaterial and of no value...and he won't be able to use it as an alibi without testifying.

D is throwing hail marys all the time. They've got nothing

 

[CKS]

If somehow the IGG information made its way into trial. It would just be another item in the long list of astronomically improbable coincidences the Defense would have to explain away.

Not that it even matters since the 5 quintillion to 1 DNA match his DNA.

MOO

MOO

I just don't understand why the lab protocols and evidence collection procedures have still not been disclosed. Why won't the prosecution show their work do you think?

 

[CKS]

I get that Sy Ray could attempt to provide evidence that BK was lurking somewhere else in the dead of night - which is an alibi of sorts.

I just don't get how he'd be able to say what BK was doing there. "Star gazing" seems like testimony by counsel. You'd need some other witness to say BK had the hobby of star gazing?

All MOO

I don't think Sy Ray is going to or needs to prove what BK was doing. Sy Ray is just going to prove that BK was not near the house during the time of the murders. Pretty simple in my opinion.

just my opinion

 

[CKS]

I don’t see how stargazing alone is an alibi. Even if it was a hobby. The alibi must be established. He’s toast.

All MOO

Why do so many of you still think BK or AT said he was stargazing? That was the media that twisted it and claimed that was his alibi.

 

[Swansee]

All MOO

Why do so many of you still think BK or AT said he was stargazing? That was the media that twisted it and claimed that was his alibi.

Indeed!
If one actually reads the "alibi", the Defense actually never claims BK was out stargazing during the crime. They say he likes to do that, but not that he was actually doing that.
They say he likes to run as well. And to drive around . They also say that during his time in Moscow, his running decreased while his driving increased.
I get that this doesn't sound like a proper alibi.
But I agree, the media twisted it into "haha the defense says he was stargazing", when that was never the actual claim.

 

[Justice101]

I don’t see how stargazing alone is an alibi. Even if it was a hobby. The alibi must be established. He’s toast.

Yeh, some people drive around due to being insomniac or looking at deer at night or whatever. Definitely not an alibi.

It is actually embarrassing that his attorneys actually filed a motion that their alibi is that someone else might come forward with an alibi.

You can't make this stuff up.

 

[StarryStarryNight]

The standard for an arrest matters.
DOJ has a arrest policy for a reason.
jmo

There was 2 unknown male DNA found inside the house.
Evidence collected would be evidence the forensic technician believes is a significant sample at the crime scene. They do not collect samples from everywhere.
Where it was found does matter.
jmo

“Two unknown male DNA found” inside the house that has been described as hosting frequent parties crowded with drinking students freely walking in and out of the house.
Compare that to the known DNA of BK that was found on the knife sheath found underneath one of the victims.
The sheath DNA renders the “two unknown male DNA” of absolutely no consequence at all in my opinion. I don’t care where in the house it was collected from.


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