ID - 4 University of Idaho Students Died in Apparent Homicide, Moscow, 13 Nov 2022

[Fleur-de-lis]

Considering it's now Tuesday (two days since the murders) & nobody in custody & LE suspect an edged weapon of some sort (like a knife) with four people dead, I think it's fair for the community to be upset at the lack of details & LE's statements that nobody has been in danger. It does not engender trust in LE. MOO.

It makes no sense. Bizarre, really. MOO

 

[FruitTingles]

Because of the description of the carnage, eg forensic folks saying they had never seen such devastation in 30 year careers (my paraphrasing), and the references to some kind of edged weapon, maybe a sword was used? At any rate I would think a person would have to be strong fast powerful and in great condition to do this (which suggests a young male to me)...even if the victims were sleeping. If the young man was found in a hallway maybe he tried to flee or fight if/when he heard/saw something amiss.

I feel LE knows the story already but are keeping their hand hidden while they're tying all the evidence together.

BBM - I was thinking a machete. A big one.

 

[cheetostock]

Have you seen the picture? It sure looks like blood to me..and yes it's hard to believe.

Yes I’ve seen the picture, I’m just trying to understand how blood has seeped through like that. Seeping through a ceiling I can understand the mechanics of, seeping through a thick exterior wall halfway up doesn’t make much sense to me.

 

[1mtroyal]

Federal law officials are aiding....that to me means the FBI is involved. They can get involved if serial killers are involved (serial killers, meaning three deaths or more). I assume the state officials can ask the FBI to get involved also as there are gray areas as to if they can get involved. I assume they are asking neighbors for video cameras (not much traffic at 4 am). It would be nice if the cell towers can identify any cell phones at that house around 4 am. It is hard to commit murders nowadays and get away with it.

 

[Lilibet]

BBM - I was thinking a machete. A big one.

I’m thinking a big machete too. In my area, David Grubbs was ambushed and almost decapitated on a busy bike path eleven years ago…during daylight. His assailant has never been found. A machete is quickly effective, so I don’t think it would be difficult to kill four people in a short time without being discovered.

OR - OR - David Grubbs, 23, Ashland, 19 Nov 2011

http://kdrv.com/page/231152 local rumors are he was be-headed. jeeez.

www.websleuths.com

 

[Marie A]

IMHO this was someone who knew the layout in the house/
had been in the house before.
Or the perp was hiding in the house, waiting for his targeted victim and he brazenly took out the other students after lying in wait.
I‘m picturing someone infatuated with one of the victims then lying in wait (the way I picture Jon Benet’s killer.)
Likely easy to access this house as these college houses in small towns are often left unlocked / easily accessible.
Possibly a sexual assault of one of the victims targeted and the other 3 victims as collateral damage before the assault (collateral damage as others have mentioned.)
Or a very angry crime of passion by someone who was spurned by one of the victims and again collateral damage of the three others in the wrong place at the wrong time.
6 bedrooms and 4 victims is odd to me.
Were some roommates not home? Or some bedrooms totally empty?
Two of these girls were very pretty and were restaurant servers so out in the public. They could have come across a very creepy restaurant patron who targeted one of the girls,
This is horrific. Such a sad time for the college.
Traumatic for the coeds and this small town.
Praying for the loved ones of these four young innocent victims. Praying they catch this perp.

 

[diggndeeperstill]

Federal law officials are aiding....that to me means the FBI is involved. They can get involved if serial killers are involved (serial killers, meaning three deaths or more). I assume the state officials can ask the FBI to get involved also as there are gray areas as to if they can get involved. I assume they are asking neighbors for video cameras (not much traffic at 4 am). It would be nice if the cell towers can identify any cell phones at that house around 4 am. It is hard to commit murders nowadays and get away with it.

This is not deemed a serial killing, but a mass murder.

An earlier tweet and article did state the FBI was assisting. They can assist in lab processing, digital forensics and more but it’s not been said what they are doing specifically.

And, yes, cell towers can most definitely provide input as to what phones were in the area. It’s called a geofence warrant.

 

[Ed Teach]

BBM - I was thinking a machete. A big one.

Or maybe a camping axe

 

[MassGuy]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1592708950906273792

 

[isabella88]

Is the Daily Mail the sole source of the dripping blood? It's not clear to me from the article. I don't want to jump to conclusions if LE didn't say that's blood. It could be a lot of things.

 

[cheetostock]

Is the Daily Mail the sole source of the dripping blood? It's not clear to me from the article. I don't want to jump to conclusions if LE didn't say that's blood. It could be a lot of things.

So far they’re the only place I’ve found it reported.

 

[Emerald1328]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1592708950906273792

Do police usually work with the prosecutor’s office before they have a suspect?

 

[Lilibet]

Do police usually work with the prosecutor’s office before they have a suspect?

I don’t know, but one reason I think they might consult with the prosecutor’s office in general terms prior to having a firm suspect is to ensure the case they develop is tight enough to prosecute. They will not want to leave a loose end that could unravel the case.
JMO

 

[Erutan]

For blood to continue to flow after someone is dead, and the heart is no longer beating, there has to be gravity involved. I am sorry to be so gruesome, but I was thinking they would have had to have been positioned in a certain way for this to happen. Does this mean the scene may have been staged after they were killed, or victims put in certain positions? I sure would be freaking out if I were on that campus and no arrests.

bbm
ITA.
It's bothersome.
And it has to be very frightening for the students there !

I'm sorry for the families of the victims to lose their beloved young ones in this manner.
Brutal.

 

[MassGuy]

Do police usually work with the prosecutor’s office before they have a suspect?

In a huge case like this, it does seem to be standard. They're the ones that are going to be prosecuting this, and they want to make sure the investigation is done right.

 

[Erutan]

Considering it's now Tuesday (two days since the murders) & nobody in custody & LE suspect an edged weapon of some sort (like a knife) with four people dead, I think it's fair for the community to be upset at the lack of details & LE's statements that nobody has been in danger. It does not engender trust in LE. MOO.

I get it that perhaps LE do not want to start a panic ?
But how would they even know if the students are not currently at grave risk ?

3-4am, perhaps they were stabbed in sleep? MOO, due to timeline. Absolutely HORRIFIC for them to claim “no threat to public” in such a violent murder! Unless they know FOR SURE. They’ve reported it could be crime of passion (which is often targeted) or burglary gone wrong (often a random act). Those are conflicting statements. How is there no threat? MOO. This is absolutely tragic.

Agreed.

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IF they were attacked in bed whilst asleep, wouldn't most of the blood be pooled in the sheets/blankets ?
If the photo in the daily mail (consider the source ) is accurate, it looks like one or more deaths happened on the ground floor, or in a common room ?

There are 15 pictures in the article. I’ve chosen one of the search dog.

‘Senseless acts of violence’

Moscow police investigating alleged homicide of four UI students; victims’ names were released but no other details have been provided

dnews.com

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Lucca Musick and Decker Rilenge live in an apartment building next to the residence where the four students were found.

They were cleaning their apartment Sunday when a friend messaged Rilenge and told them about the reported homicide. Musick and Rilenge looked out the window and saw police cars, along with a group of women crying while draped in emergency blankets.

“You don’t think something like that’s going to happen here,” Rilenge said.

Musick said they told a police officer they could hear loud music Saturday night, indicating there was a party going on in the neighborhood. They said parties are a regular occurrence in that area.

Rilenge said they did not hear any screaming or gunshots that night.
…

As the victims were found deceased and not missing, I'm curious if the search dog was looking for blood --- as in blood on the clothes or shoes of the perp ?

I'm guessing they may have been covered in blood, sadly.

Still haven't heard if security cameras caught anything ?
If there's a grainy (or clear ?) photo of the perp(s) maybe LE will release it ?


M00 to all of my above comments. ^^^

 

[dtowndetective411]

Interesting that there are 6 bedrooms.

So my wild guess…and nothing more…is that each of the girls (roommates) had her own room.

What if the two victims that were dating were in one room, the other two in two separate rooms…and the other roommates were also home,but in their separate rooms and slept through the attacks? Were they the girls wrapped in blankets, maybe still in nightclothes,who police perhaps awakened when they arrived?

If they were spared, is this why the term “targeted”was used?

Just guessing, of course.

I had exactly the same thought when I saw the article about the girls wrapped in emergency blankets outside with police. I thought “omg, what if those were the other 2 roommates and they actually had been home when this happened”. It was still only around noon when police arrived and they easily could’ve been sleeping still. Especially if they had bedrooms on separate floors than the attacks. TERRIBLY SCARY AND HORRIFYING.

all speculation. Just had to chime in because thank you for reading my mind!

 

[diggndeeperstill]

UPDATE: Just spoke with Latah Co. Prosecutor Bill Thompson about the homicide investigation. He understands & shares our frustration with the misinformation surrounding the deaths of the 4 UI students. He says there may be a press conference held tomorrow afternoon with Moscow PD and Idaho State Police. KREM 2 News

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=pfbid02QptFkNLWnfk1KE5dDCzwvThiDY3nGCpQEeLdcdY1UgobPmmosJPEyU8rZmo8XbRAl&id=100057760193240

 

[asmi106082]

Does anyone else remember a similar case probably a decade or more ago? I remember it was a younger guy who stabbed and killed several other teens or young adults in the same house. I remember us all questioning how he could’ve done it without the others hearing or the victims retaliating but I can’t think of the names/circumstances.
Both cases make my blood run cold. MOO

 

[Sundog]

I get it that perhaps LE do not want to start a panic ?
But how would they even know if the students are not currently at grave risk ?



Agreed.

Graphic warning post :




IF they were attacked in bed whilst asleep, wouldn't most of the blood be pooled in the sheets/blankets ?
If the photo in the daily mail (consider the source ) is accurate, it looks like one or more deaths happened on the ground floor, or in a common room ?




As the victims were found deceased and not missing, I'm curious if the search dog was looking for blood --- as in blood on the clothes or shoes of the perp ?

I'm guessing they may have been covered in blood, sadly.

Still haven't heard if security cameras caught anything ?
If there's a grainy (or clear ?) photo of the perp(s) maybe LE will release it ?


M00 to all of my above comments. ^^^

According to the description of the house posted earlier, the ground floor has 2 bedrooms and 1 bath.