ID - 4 University of Idaho Students Murdered - Bryan Kohberger Arrested - Moscow # 42

[John Book]

lol... without the knife and element of surprise however... he's just another man. Emotions getting the better of me, but I would love 5 minutes.

He's apparently the ultimate type of coward, P.

Anyone who would surprise attack and kill young, defenseless women is a true coward.

Hopefully justice will be swift and severe for this guy, if convicted.

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

We know very little about this guy right now. It's a bit presumptive to speculate on MH or substance use as a contributory factor. His odd behavior according to some students could be a touch of ASD for all we know. Was he hyper or doing things to appear intoxicated? Seems people want to maker him more abnormal just because he's a killer. It really should be mentioned that all of us are different in how we view the world and what drives us to do right or wrong. You don't have to be mentally ill or drugged up to be evil.

I believe the drugged theory is coming from the reported personality change coupled with weight loss coupled with friends saying he looked drugged up.

Agree about mental illness though.

 

[Friday Fan]

I was hopelessly behind & jumped ahead, but huge relief here in Moscow!

Sorry if I missed it, but has there been any speculation about what might have attracted BCK all the way across country from PA to WSU in Pullman, WA?

I’d bet my mortgage he was fantasizing about committing this kind of horrific crime long before he landed here.

MOO

Their PhD program in criminology

He posted some weird survey back in May.
But it was posted by others that he likely had already decided to attend WSU months before he posted the survey.

Idaho suspect Bryan Kohberger's haunting Reddit crime survey

Bryan Kohberger is in custody awaiting extradition from Pennsylvania to Idaho. He was arrested in the Poconos in the early hours of Friday morning.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[LizWords]

Mad Greek restaurant has Vegan and Vegetarian options on their menu online. Maybe M served him.

Maybe even tried to get to know her and rejected in some form. Or she made a snide remark if he asked if food was prepared in separate pots/pans

<modsnip: Screenshot removed>

Ever since we learned that K went to sleep in M’s room, I’ve been wondering if this crime was actually personally motivated, M may be the more likely target.

I’m leaning towards him wanting to kill more than one of them, largely because LE said they were all attacked while sleeping. I think he wanted to brutally murder young women. While one or more of them may have caught his attention rather than him prowling for victims, he still intended to kill several of the girls in that house.

Maybe M or X did serve him vegan food at their work and that is how he started targeting the whole house…

 

[Curious Me]

Bryan Kohberger: the OCD libertarian vegan who 'looked drugged'

Bryan Kohberger is in custody on charges of homicide for the Idaho killings. Relatives say he had 'obsessive' eating habits that went 'above and beyond' being vegan.

www.dailymail.co.uk

SWAT teams descended on sleepy Poconos mountain town to catch Libertarian Idaho murder suspect Bryan Kohberger who was 'obsessively vegan' as a teen and 'looked drugged at school'

• Bryan Kohberger is in custody on charges of homicide for the Idaho killings
• Relatives say he was 'OCD' about veganism and forced family to buy new pots
• He is registered as a Libertarian in voter records and has never been arrested
• Some who attended school with him say he 'looked drugged'

RBBM in Red.

The term "forced" makes me wonder if he'd been bullying, and committing violence, against his family for some time.
Just a few thoughts.
JMVHO.​

Did you watch this video? <modsnip: Removed disparaging comment about family members. > Thinking about what you said. It says he was staying with an aunt and uncle (as a guest?) and demanded new pans be bought or like he wouldn't eat otherwise. Why would they cater to him and not tell him to just starve then? ​

MSN

 

[Orlaam]

Wait, sociopaths can't get a college degree? Antisocial personality disordered folks can't follow a course of study? Do you know how many of them head up Fortune 500 companies? Have you read The Sociopath Next Door?

To understand the construct, means to understand what I wrote. The term sociopathy isn't even used in clinical forensic literature anymore. It is sometimes used loosely in various texts to describe dysfunctional individuals, but it no longer holds a place in research. It has become a casual term only. You can have what are referred to as prosocial psychopaths. They are what you are referring to. I was a psychiatric professional for 10 years, but part of what made me leave was the failure of the system and the ridiculous grey area with respect to terms. Everyone was "bipolar" or "borderline". A meth user with a bad attitude was automatically given a Dx of bipolar D/O. No one cared about staying within professional and ethical boundaries of diagnostic labeling. You see this all over, like the book you mentioned. It's a buzzword and pejorative that draw an audience for a good read among laypersons. Watch someone like Dr Todd Grande on YouTube if you want to hear how a PhD breaks down the terms ASPD, sociopathy and psychopathy. Don't take my word for it.

 

[Assassino]

CNN’s story says genetic genealogy led to him. Genetic genealogy does it again. Man, I’ll tell you, what that is doing to solve cases is absolutely incredible. I think it’s the single greatest crime solving innovation maybe we’ve ever had, excluding DNA technology itself. The number of cases it’s going to solve going forward is incalculable.

 

[TabathaB]

Help me out sleuthers…. that video that captured the girls walking down the street having the “what did you tell him / I told him everything” conversation. Did they use the name Chris? The internet is moving as fast as these WS threads, and I‘ve been (unsuccessfully) digging for it all night, wondering if Bryan Christopher Kohberger may have gone by Chris.

I believe the name was Adam.

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

An interesting read:

Violence and mental illness: an overview - PMC

This paper evaluates the relationship of mental illness and violence by asking three questions: Are the mentally ill violent? Are the mentally ill at increased risk of violence? Are the public at risk? Mental disorders are neither necessary nor ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

“However, although the main risk factors for violence still remain being young, male, single, or of lower socio-economic status, several more recent studies have reported a modest association between mental illness and violence, even when these elements have been controlled (1-2,7,13-16).”

What you quoted is what sets up the premise of the research. They wrote the article to see if the other papers were correct and their conclusion contradicted that.

THIS is the conclusion of the article you linked.

"...the major determinants of violence continue to be socio-demographic and socio-economic factors such as being young, male, and of lower socio-economic status.

Second, members of the public undoubtedly exaggerate both the strength of the relationship between major mental disorders and violence, as well as their own personal risk from the severely mentally ill. It is far more likely that people with a serious mental illness will be the victim of violence."

 

[Gracenotes]

And if he was not in the victim’s circle of friends, his fingerprints, dna, should not be present anywhere in the home, if there, he’s got a lot explaining to do. JMO.

I would say (if his defense atty) that he was there attending a party a few weeks before the murders. Can't remember the date due to too much beer. Was there with a friend of a friend, John Doe. I could go further but it makes me ill. Defense attorneys may say anything to do their job.

 

[Kristina730]

IMO, I think that he didn’t want to push his luck and that he was FOCUSED on the four ppl upstairs.

Maybe the two on the top floor heard something strange downstairs and went down to check it out, then "had" to be killed, because they saw the killer. Collateral it damage.

 

[Chestnutsunfish]

So happy to wake up today and see an arrest made!

Sorry if someone has already asked this (I’m so behind on everyone’s posts) but I’m curious as to if there is a way to access his graduate thesis?

Do students post these online anywhere?

 

[North_Idaho_Nony]

Their PhD program in criminology

He posted some weird survey back in May.
But it was posted by others that he likely had already decided to attend WSU months before he posted the survey.

Idaho suspect Bryan Kohberger's haunting Reddit crime survey

Bryan Kohberger is in custody awaiting extradition from Pennsylvania to Idaho. He was arrested in the Poconos in the early hours of Friday morning.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Yes, but there are many other criminology PhD choices.

Why WSU/Pullman, WA?

 

[Friday Fan]

Yes, but there are many other criminology PhD choices.

Why WSU/Pullman, WA?

Maybe that's where he was accepted? Sounds like he didn't come from the most stellar background

 

[Palinsmom]

Oh we’re definitely on the same page, I think his response reeks of guilt. What I meant is that I believe he’s guilty, and I think therefore has almost necessarily been on edge waiting for that moment to come, and instead of trying to plead innocent, he decided to play “gotcha” and imply he wasn’t alone. In other words I don’t think those words just came to him, he had that answer planned, thinking it would unnerve the police, in my opinion/armchair guess.

To me it was almost like” If I’m going down, I’m not going alone” my opiniononly

 

[Pretty Potato]

Yet one of the victims purportedly had deeper wounds, which imo means he had some sort of prior interaction with her.

Maybe he did kill before, those 3am murders in Oregon (I believe).

I would not be surprised if she merely rejected him on Tinder.

 

[Trocroc9]

So thinking about that 4 day surveillance ahead of arrest - I think once they got their hands on that car they matched DNA which ultimately led to the search warrant issued at his apartment and office. That car got him! Those search warrants only came today.

 

[Charlot123]

Thanks, haven't seen this posted before. It's unnerving IMO to think about K's family early on saying she was a websleuth (see page 1 of every thread from Mods about this), and she was interested in following crime online & if that could be a possible connection as to where they could have crossed paths since he was getting a PhD in the criminal field. Eeeek

From what I read, KG was a social, perceptive woman; i don't think she'd trust BK. JMO, he was maniacally obsessed with beautiful women and probably was more of a garden-variety budding SK, only with Ph.D. flair. Could his question about "the others" refer to some online group? Knife as means of an attack on women might be viewed differently. MOO.

 

[Palinsmom]

I actually agree with a lot of this. When I read about "the change" in him, I immediately thought drugs. The same drugs that cause weight loss can also cause aggression, violence, impulsive behavior, and even detachment from reality.

The only part I disagree with is steroids. While steroids certainly can cause aggression and irritability, they actually cause weight gain rather than loss.

Would hypothetically …heroin… fit this category?
Just curious

 

[Vegasgrl]

While he was security guard at the school, were there any incident reports against him I wonder?
I was trying to put together an educational timeline for BK. He's now 28 and just finished one semester of PHD studies. So, the norm is 4yrs undergrad, 2yrs Master, so 3+ years doing what? Was this when he was a security guard? Because I thought I read that as part-time? Were there gaps of time when he wasn't a fulltime student or a fulltime worker? Sorry if I missed a new timeline posted regarding this.