ID - 4 University of Idaho Students Murdered - Bryan Kohberger Arrested - Moscow # 43

[schooling]

ID - 4 University of Idaho Students Murdered - Bryan Kohberger Arrested - Moscow # 42

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Replying from the other thread.
My vehicle doesn't have any locations services.
However, I use my phone everywhere. I even listen to internet radio on my phone when traveling. Of course, I use the maps etc.
I know google uses GPS for location services and I know sometimes GPS from google can be difficult for LE to obtain. However, I'm sure general phone records were also obtained via a warrant.

I haven't had an Android device in a while but I know Google Maps used to (and might still have) a "Frequent Locations" option that's on by default and absolutely blows people's minds when they first see it. It will provide a minute by minute timeline of your locations throughout the day.

Apple's iOS had an equivalent feature. Again, shocking to say the least when you first see it. So accurate that a lot of hourly drivers and other traveling workers would use it to track their hours and mileage. But in the latest release of iOS they've abstracted that information and you no longer get to see a detailed log.

Also, raw GPS information will not be available via phone records. Unless its via an app that stores addresses or GPS like info in the cloud (google maps, yelp etc). They'll have to subpoena for those, if they even exist.

The best they'll be able to do from the likes of Verizon and T-Mobile are cell phone tower data and triangulation.

 

[Which_pancake]

ID - 4 University of Idaho Students Murdered - Bryan Kohberger Arrested - Moscow # 42

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Replying from the other thread.
My vehicle doesn't have any locations services.
However, I use my phone everywhere. I even listen to internet radio on my phone when traveling. Of course, I use the maps etc.
I know google uses GPS for location services and I know sometimes GPS from google can be difficult for LE to obtain. However, I'm sure general phone records were also obtained via a warrant.

I am the person that person was replying to, and yes cell phone data was what I had in mind rather than car based GPS.

 

[CLGM]

I think the profilers and internet speculators are missing the mark here on this guy. I think there’s something that separates him from your usual suspects that will make this a relatively quiet conclusion. Feel free to skip down to my TLDR for my quick summary take.

Like other killers BK likely put time into physical preparation and planning. Enhanced by all that he knew about the criminal justice system. Likely surveilling and watching. Noticing surroundings, lighting. Shaving body. Carefully selecting clothing. Having disposal means and location of clothing and weapon. Wrapped his feet etc. Knowing that the use of a knife would point to someone in the inner circle. Likely left red herrings behind.

But BK recognized something else that most other killers don’t recognize. The importance of mental preparation and conditioning. And I think it’s likely he thought this would give him an advantage.

He recognized that as soon as he walked through that sliding door he would lose control. And that no matter how much work he did to prepare…there was no way he could anticipate what would happen in that house. So he did his homework and prepared mentally. He recognized that killers make mistakes in the moment because of unanticipated feelings, thoughts, reactions to unanticipated victim behavior…and he tried to account for all of that with the survey. I’m not sure I’ve read about anything like this before with any other killers. This level of mental work. And I bet he thought this would be what would separate him from other killers who were caught.

By all indicators he had been preparing for that moment for years. Laid out what he thought was the perfect plan. A plan informed by his studies, studies that would surely propel him to the highest academic achievement you can receive in his chosen field.

This is a person who seemed to beat addiction by becoming ruthlessly disciplined. Focused all of his energy into his studies (and as a result this crime). There are not many indications that he was operating by instinct like other killers people here keep comparing him to.

All of that just for me to say that he flipped the 50/50 murder coin and failed. He acknowledged and accounted for the unanticipated moments where others didnt. He was a few years from being at the academic pinnacle in his field. and he FAILED.

If this was a Dunning Kruger suffering narcissist who operated most out of instinct and his likely above average (but overestimated on his part) intelligence I’d agree and say …”ya, this guy is going to make a big spectacle at trial on in some grandiose confession” but I don’t think this is that guy.

I think BK is ashamed, confused, embarrassed and likely doesn’t want to relive or face the reality of any of his failed plan. If he doesn’t plead guilty to avoid the death penalty and coming to terms with his failure (and his family and friends learning first hand of it). He’ll sit there in his chair during trial and not utter a word. We’ll likely never hear his side of the story.

______

TLDR; BK invested a lot of time and energy into planning. And they still caught him. He’ll go out ashamed and with a whimper.

This is interesting, but I'm not convinced that he can feel shame or embarrassment. IMO

 

[MsOh]

[…]
TLDR; BK invested a lot of time and energy into planning. And they still caught him. He’ll go out ashamed and with a whimper.

Perhaps, but I’m hesitant to predict, especially since BK’s attorney stated he wants to waive extradition trial, and BK is eager to be exonerated.

 

[NeverPersonal]

Trying hard to keep up but unsure if this was posted.
Idaho victim Kaylee Goncalves' father says she had CONNECTIONS to suspected killer

 

[Elley Mae]

I think the profilers and internet speculators are missing the mark here on this guy. I think there’s something that separates him from your usual suspects that will make this a relatively quiet conclusion. Feel free to skip down to my TLDR for my quick summary take.

Like other killers BK likely put time into physical preparation and planning. Enhanced by all that he knew about the criminal justice system. Likely surveilling and watching. Noticing surroundings, lighting. Shaving body. Carefully selecting clothing. Having disposal means and location of clothing and weapon. Wrapped his feet etc. Knowing that the use of a knife would point to someone in the inner circle. Likely left red herrings behind.

But BK recognized something else that most other killers don’t recognize. The importance of mental preparation and conditioning. And I think it’s likely he thought this would give him an advantage.

He recognized that as soon as he walked through that sliding door he would lose control. And that no matter how much work he did to prepare…there was no way he could anticipate what would happen in that house. So he did his homework and prepared mentally. He recognized that killers make mistakes in the moment because of unanticipated feelings, thoughts, reactions to unanticipated victim behavior…and he tried to account for all of that with the survey. I’m not sure I’ve read about anything like this before with any other killers. This level of mental work. And I bet he thought this would be what would separate him from other killers who were caught.

By all indicators he had been preparing for that moment for years. Laid out what he thought was the perfect plan. A plan informed by his studies, studies that would surely propel him to the highest academic achievement you can receive in his chosen field.

This is a person who seemed to beat addiction by becoming ruthlessly disciplined. Focused all of his energy into his studies (and as a result this crime). There are not many indications that he was operating by instinct like other killers people here keep comparing him to.

All of that just for me to say that he flipped the 50/50 murder coin and failed. He acknowledged and accounted for the unanticipated moments where others didnt. He was a few years from being at the academic pinnacle in his field. and he FAILED.

If this was a Dunning Kruger suffering narcissist who operated most out of instinct and his likely above average (but overestimated on his part) intelligence I’d agree and say …”ya, this guy is going to make a big spectacle at trial on in some grandiose confession” but I don’t think this is that guy.

I think BK is ashamed, confused, embarrassed and likely doesn’t want to relive or face the reality of any of his failed plan. If he doesn’t plead guilty to avoid the death penalty and coming to terms with his failure (and his family and friends learning first hand of it). He’ll sit there in his chair during trial and not utter a word. We’ll likely never hear his side of the story.

______

TLDR; BK invested a lot of time and energy into planning. And they still caught him. He’ll go out ashamed and with a whimper.

Just got done baking cake and while icing the cake, I thought did he go into those classes knowing he wanted to do this and felt versed enough at that time to strike. Just don’t know how he picked them.

 

[gizmobtj]

I haven't had an Android device in a while but I know Google Maps used to (and might still have) a "Frequent Locations" option that's on by default and absolutely blows people's minds when they first see it. It will provide a minute by minute timeline of your locations throughout the day.

Apple's iOS had an equivalent feature. Again, shocking to say the least when you first see it. So accurate that a lot of hourly drivers and other traveling workers would use it to track their hours and mileage. But in the latest release of iOS they've abstracted that information and you no longer get to see a detailed log.

Also, raw GPS information will not be available via phone records. Unless its via an app that stores addresses or GPS like info in the cloud (google maps, yelp etc). They'll have to subpoena for those, if they even exist.

The best they'll be able to do from the likes of Verizon and T-Mobile are cell phone tower data and triangulation.

Oh, click on this. If you are logged into your Google account on iOS or Android, you can forget about it ...

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[CLGM]

@Kristina730 -- I am not caught up with thread #42, but wondered if anybody responded to your post

I thought this was an interesting question: "Is there some other model of characterizing behaviors that is taught in the criminal justice world? Is there a book similar to the DSM for criminology that includes terms like psychopathy and sociopathy? Genuinely interested in answers that come from criminal justice professionals."

 

[Friday Fan]

I haven't had an Android device in a while but I know Google Maps used to (and might still have) a "Frequent Locations" option that's on by default and absolutely blows people's minds when they first see it. It will provide a minute by minute timeline of your locations throughout the day.

Apple's iOS had an equivalent feature. Again, shocking to say the least when you first see it. So accurate that a lot of hourly drivers and other traveling workers would use it to track their hours and mileage. But in the latest release of iOS they've abstracted that information and you no longer get to see a detailed log.

Also, raw GPS information will not be available via phone records. Unless its via an app that stores addresses or GPS like info in the cloud (google maps, yelp etc). They'll have to subpoena for those, if they even exist.

The best they'll be able to do from the likes of Verizon and T-Mobile are cell phone tower data and triangulation.

I'm sure my maps are a gold mine..LOL! I have geolocation turned on all the time.

 

[HopeValleyDevil]

I think the profilers and internet speculators are missing the mark here on this guy. I think there’s something that separates him from your usual suspects that will make this a relatively quiet conclusion. Feel free to skip down to my TLDR for my quick summary take.

Like other killers BK likely put time into physical preparation and planning. Enhanced by all that he knew about the criminal justice system. Likely surveilling and watching. Noticing surroundings, lighting. Shaving body. Carefully selecting clothing. Having disposal means and location of clothing and weapon. Wrapped his feet etc. Knowing that the use of a knife would point to someone in the inner circle. Likely left red herrings behind.

But BK recognized something else that most other killers don’t recognize. The importance of mental preparation and conditioning. And I think it’s likely he thought this would give him an advantage.

He recognized that as soon as he walked through that sliding door he would lose control. And that no matter how much work he did to prepare…there was no way he could anticipate what would happen in that house. So he did his homework and prepared mentally. He recognized that killers make mistakes in the moment because of unanticipated feelings, thoughts, reactions to unanticipated victim behavior…and he tried to account for all of that with the survey. I’m not sure I’ve read about anything like this before with any other killers. This level of mental work. And I bet he thought this would be what would separate him from other killers who were caught.

By all indicators he had been preparing for that moment for years. Laid out what he thought was the perfect plan. A plan informed by his studies, studies that would surely propel him to the highest academic achievement you can receive in his chosen field.

This is a person who seemed to beat addiction by becoming ruthlessly disciplined. Focused all of his energy into his studies (and as a result this crime). There are not many indications that he was operating by instinct like other killers people here keep comparing him to.

All of that just for me to say that he flipped the 50/50 murder coin and failed. He acknowledged and accounted for the unanticipated moments where others didnt. He was a few years from being at the academic pinnacle in his field. and he FAILED.

If this was a Dunning Kruger suffering narcissist who operated most out of instinct and his likely above average (but overestimated on his part) intelligence I’d agree and say …”ya, this guy is going to make a big spectacle at trial on in some grandiose confession” but I don’t think this is that guy.

I think BK is ashamed, confused, embarrassed and likely doesn’t want to relive or face the reality of any of his failed plan. If he doesn’t plead guilty to avoid the death penalty and coming to terms with his failure (and his family and friends learning first hand of it). He’ll sit there in his chair during trial and not utter a word. We’ll likely never hear his side of the story.

______

TLDR; BK invested a lot of time and energy into planning. And they still caught him. He’ll go out ashamed and with a whimper.

We had a post on the house, the car, the knife way before an arrest.

From that information we garnished that the house was a stalkers dream.
The car had dark tinted windows in the gas station image that suggested police evasion.
The car was plain jane which also suggested a person evading police up to nefarious activities.
The knife (we had media report) was designed purely for killing.
This suggested not a knife grabbed out the kitchen drawer by a vengeful exboyfriend. A premeditated knife.

The attributes of the crime were, this person had pre mediated actions and had made considerable effort to evade police suggesting a premeditated killer.

The evidence suggested the person so well versed, I pondered an assassination by a trained person had occurred, or a cop that had gone wayward. Thankfully, I bit my tongue on the matter

 

[Auntie Cipation]

It seems to me a social media study anyone could make up answers to is worthless as scholarly research. Were he genuinely interested in conducting a rigorous project, he'd take the time to gain access to actual prisoners, who generally welcome a change in routine that has them as the focus. He could still guarantee anonymity that way, whether interviewing by mail or in-person. And his questions are so banal & general, they read to me like a junior high school student wrote them. Does make me wonder if he located an accomplice via this.

RSBM and jumping ahead from the beginning of the last thread:

I think that part of what he wanted, maybe a large part, was to hear from people who had gotten away with their crimes, for which a prisoner survey would not necessarily work (although prisoners may have committed other crimes than the one(s) they were caught for.)

This is why it feels to me like the survey was him looking for clues and hints about what to make sure he had considered in order to try to get away with his own crime(s). MOO entirely.

Unrelated comment -- Also, somewhere in the last few days, @MassGuy posted something about following cases, being interested in true crime, etc. and the difference between a true crime follower and an actual criminal mindset.

I too am fascinated by the psychology of criminal behavior. But, like most of the rest of us here, if I weren't satisfied with reading books and following discussions online, that still would not tempt me to harm other people "just to see what it felt like". Instead I would either direct my career in that direction, if I were young enough, or maybe I would attempt to write the perfect mystery/crime novel. MOO

 

[Arkay]

This is interesting, but I'm not convinced that he can feel shame or embarrassment. IMO

Of course we can't be sure, but I also don't know if he can feel shame or embarrassment.

Just from what we can glean so far, I think he possibly may feel anger and disgust that his "perfect crime" failed insofar as he didn't get away with it.

I think he would internalize that, though, and perhaps not allow it to show. Maybe he would just sit through a trial without visible affect.

I'm basing this on his steely-eyed appearance when he received his diploma. I've handed out many a graduation diploma on stage, and rarely have I seen such lack of eye contact and lack of enthusiasm from a student. He did mutter "thank you" with pursed lips.

Also, his alleged “blank stare” when arrested, despite what I’d presume would be chaos in his family at that moment.

Jmo

 

[Tillyjames]

This is interesting, but I'm not convinced that he can feel shame or embarrassment. IMO

I think he’s proud and will use his knowledge to fight this. Hopefully the evidence is air tight..

 

[MassGuy]

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[CLGM]

I'm sure my maps are a gold mine..LOL! I have geolocation turned on all the time.

I'm always a little freaked out when I see the amount of detail that Google has collected over YEARS.

 

[Detective Klimpt]

Has it been mentioned yet that BK had a heroin addiction? I just read it on Fox News website article. The comment was made by one of his classmate friends.

Idaho murder suspect Kohberger's Pennsylvania classmates say he was 'bright,' awkward, bullied in school

A friend of the suspect arrested in connection with the Idaho quadruple murder told Fox News Digital that the Bryan Christopher Kohlberger she knew was a genius who was interested in what makes "humans tick" but had trouble relating to other peers.

www.foxnews.com

 

[clearskies1]

Reposting this because it seems some posters haven't read it.

ADMIN NOTE:

STOP with the discussion of various mental health disorders.

The ONLY thing we are aware of at this time is that his family members made reference to OCD. Beyond that we know nothing about this man's mental health or any diagnosis, so it is all speculation not based on any known fact.

 

[Betty P]

Bringing over from the previous thread

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Brian Entin
@BrianEntin

The public defender in Monroe County, PA says Bryan Kohberger is “eager to be exonerated of these charges and looks forward to resolving these matters as promptly as possible.” Says Kohberger intends to waive his extradition hearing to expedite his transport to Idaho.

Sounds like BK is claiming innocence and planning to mount a vigorous defense.

 

[MassGuy]

I wonder if this guy is talking. Yes, acted alone is something that can be based on countless things, but he could be a talker. He’s done.

 

[sds71]

Lawyer of Idaho slayings suspect discusses extradition

Public defender Jason LaBar discusses the case against his client.

www.kktv.com