ID - 4 University of Idaho Students Murdered - Bryan Kohberger Arrested - Moscow # 44

[Copper107]

We don't if his DNA came from a blood sample.

How else would they be able to use genetic geneology?

Idaho student murders’ investigators likely comparing DNA evidence to FBI database

Authorities investigating the murders of four University of Idaho students are likely using forensic genetic genealogy – by comparing DNA evidence to genealogical family databases, an expert said i…

nypost.com

 

[kbckcern22]

I disagree. I think he's a manipulative person. I think he did things to the girls, things under the wire or when he was alone with them. When they'd retaliate, he claimed he was being bullied. I think he's smart enough to know how to play the victim.

Felt this to the core!

 

[indicolite22]

I disagree. I think he's a manipulative person. I think he did things to the girls, things under the wire or when he was alone with them. When they'd retaliate, he claimed he was being bullied. I think he's smart enough to know how to play the victim.

Back then he was overweight, shy and awkward. It's not hard to imagine that he could have been picked on. Kids can be mean.

 

[otto]

I'm not entirely sure he did. There are interviews with people in his department and in his classes who said he seemed noticeably distracted by the end of the semester and was in conflict with the professor he was TAing for due to his indifference and poor performance.

'It was so close to us the whole time': Neighbors and students of UI killing suspect Bryan Kohberger react to his arrest

Seven weeks after the slayings of four University of Idaho students shocked the campus, police announced they believe the killer is a Washington State University graduate student arrested Friday in Pennsylvania.

www.spokesman.com

It seems like a lot of people were writing it off to typical end-of-the-semester stress, but I don't think he was super chill after the murders or functioning as if nothing had happened. MOO

Was he more talkative immediately after the murders? When the murders were discussed during class, he stopped talking. Days later (???) he arrived to class late several times and was uncharacteristically drinking coffee - he wasn't sleeping well after the car was announced?

 

[Copper107]

If it is proven he took all those precautions, it would certainly remove a “crime of passion“ as his defense. That would pretty much lockdown premeditation. According to “Locard’s Principle”, an offender always leaves something at a crime scene, and takes something away. Of course, according to his classmates, he likely thought he was smart enough to avoid that, but Locard says It is always the case.

I think the defense of "crime of passion" is off the table when you bring a weapon to the scene as well.

 

[Sandy007]

Everyine is focused on DNA at present. DNA will pin him to murders, moo, but it is not going to be only DNA that will incriminate him. LE now have his computer, books, notes, clothes, the car he was driving. If he is their guy, and they appear to be fairly certain of it, there will be other components attributing to not only to his arrest, but also his conviction.

He may ordered online the knife, gloves, suit and his computer will be willing to provide the information.

I am curious what was that one fatal mistake he made at the crime scene and that was mentioned few times. I doubt LE is bluffing on this one.

He made mistakes, but he is not stupid and will play hard, unless he is pinned down with evidence which is hard to dispute or to explain in more than one way that he may use to confuse.

Does anyone know if there are any cameras around blocks of flats in the uni campus where he lives in Pullman?

 

[Observant-ADHD-ENFP-BSc]

How else would they be able to use genetic geneology?

Idaho student murders’ investigators likely comparing DNA evidence to FBI database

Authorities investigating the murders of four University of Idaho students are likely using forensic genetic genealogy – by comparing DNA evidence to genealogical family databases, an expert said i…

nypost.com

Genetic sampling comes from many sources. Not just blood.
Most commercial DNA testing is salvia.
(Previous Biotechnology student)

 

[bonniejeanne17]

I have two thoughts when I see his mugshot.

One, he looks like he's thinking "if I only had my knife with me right now, I'd slash these cops, first chance I get."

Two, the fact that THIS GLARING FACE, however much WORSE the look during the very act of murder, was the last thing these four young people ever saw.

IMO

Maybe they never saw his face.
Maybe he wore a mask.
Like the animal who killed Travis Juetten, maimed his wife, but spared their dog.

 

[seemstome]

If BK's court is so negligent as to have him in a place like a courtroom library with an openable window thats only like a story high, i'm gonna be pretty pissed. Not to mention worried.

Well I hate to scare anyone, but I worked at a clinic where a female patient was brought over by a male guard. She was in a bright orange jail jumpsuit, wrists handcuffed in front of her and she was 6’1, and after she completed her intake interview she asked for privacy to watch an informational video. The guard agreed to it after examining the room, and he waited, standing, right outside the one (closed) door to the room (which led to a long narrow hallway). The room was tiny - the entire office was tiny- and it had a single couch and chair and one narrow sliding window, maybe 2 ft tall by 3 ft long, set high up in the wall, up near where the ceiling meets the wall. Well the video was about 10 minutes long and when I opened the door, you guessed it, she was gone.
The officer radioed for help and ran out, and they found the inmate (still handcuffed) already three blocks away at a shopping center parking lot near a deli trying to use their phone.
Well somehow she was able to escape without being heard, or seen (!), hoisting all 6 ft plus of herself up and through that small window, while handcuffed, that faced the front of the building and the front door!!! And she ran down the drive past 4 other medical buildings to escape. So, yes, I hope there are no windows anywhere they bring BK!

 

[Observant-ADHD-ENFP-BSc]

Why do I look at him and see Bundy?
ETA: I'm now guessing this has been said before.
2nd ETA: I was so not caught up. Agree with the Bundy. He physically LOOKS like him.
JMO.

 

[otto]

Dad flying out and driving back with BK says VOLUMES about dynamics of family. NO WAY my dad would do that if I was capable of driving on my own as a 28 yr old man. 2500 MILES?? Makes ZERO sense. BK must have had a great BS pitch!

If the suspect had any intention of continuing with his studies, he would have flown home for the holidays and left the car at school. The only reason to drive the car across the country after one semester is because he no longer needs a car in Pullman, he isn't staying. It seems like he wants to distance himself and the evidence from Pullman.

Maybe he thought he was home free after arriving at his parent's home in PA.

He didn't move his things out of his apartment, but returning the car to his parent's home seems like he's only going back to Pullman to pack up. Instead, police packed up.

 

[Helechawagirl]

He'll be back by Friday I'm sure. He'll waive extradition on Tuesday and be on a flight on Thursday or Friday, possibly commercial but most likely JPATS given the high profile nature of the case.

He has a hearing on Tuesday January 3 in Monroe County PA to dtremine if he will be extradited to Idaho.

Moscow Police Chief Fry said they received 400 calls to the tip line in one hour after announcing the arrest yesterday.

Wish I could hear those calls. Bet they tell a story.

 

[Palinsmom]

Seeing mention of cars reminds me … I’m wondering if BK contacted KG about the car she was selling and perhaps they met one time?
Just speculation on my part

 

[otto]

Regarding his DNA profile obtained from a blood sample at the crime scene; there is no way on God's green earth he can explain its existence in the residence or a co-mingling on the victim's bodies. Trace evidence DNA obtained from hair or skin for example can be explained, he can say he once visited the residence. Blood DNA found at the crime scene is basically irrefutable. IMO

DNA could be a mixed sample with one of the victim's blood (+hand slipped down the knife), or it could be skin cells under fingernails (defensive wounds). Did he have any scratches or hand injuries after the murders? Does he have any new scars on his hands today?

Can DNA evidence be ruled out as transfer DNA? DNA on bedding, victim's blood on bedding, party house, free roaming dog ... I'm curious whether he will confess (unlikely), or debate the evidence until he is convicted. He probably envisions himself as the clever forensic criminal profiler who has personal experience of murder as an insight. In reality, his career ambitions just his a concrete wall 3 inches in front of his face.

 

[Vegasgrl]

Was he more talkative immediately after the murders? When the murders were discussed during class, he stopped talking. Days later (???) he arrived to class late several times and was uncharacteristically drinking coffee - he wasn't sleeping well after the car was announced?

His classmates will now have a very unique semester. wow.

 

[MURDERER_SERVANT]

My guess his fatal mistake was he washed his hands and his DNA was recovered in the bathroom.. Pure speculation . I don’t see him get out with bloody hands and face .

 

[Helechawagirl]

He could well have worn protective clothing and taken precautions such as those described in NYP article to minimise blood spill.

Also probably likely he was familiar with the case, 2010- could well have come up as part of his Masters.

Why did he use the car though?
He could easily have walked.

I'm suspecting the crime scenes were elaborate but they could just as easily have been chaos...

Could be that his 'coup' was not in the killing but in the elaborate defence he intends to put up?
'Was anybody else arrested?'

I wondered if asked that to see if he was the only suspect? As in, “they didn’t even look at anyone else” future defense. Idk.

 

[otto]

How else would they be able to use genetic geneology?

Idaho student murders’ investigators likely comparing DNA evidence to FBI database

Authorities investigating the murders of four University of Idaho students are likely using forensic genetic genealogy – by comparing DNA evidence to genealogical family databases, an expert said i…

nypost.com

Skin sample DNA alleles work too. At least one victim had defensive wounds - that might mean a victim had a chance to scratch the suspect.

Defining background DNA levels found on the skin of children aged 0–5 years

There are currently no data available regarding the normal levels of DNA found on the skin of children engaging in routine day to day activities to assist with the forensic interpretation of DNA profiles generated from skin surface swabs. To address this ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

Dad flying out and driving back with BK says VOLUMES about dynamics of family. NO WAY my dad would do that if I was capable of driving on my own as a 28 yr old man. 2500 MILES?? Makes ZERO sense. BK must have had a great BS pitch!

Several of us have already commented saying that our parents would drive with us too. I said in the other thread that I never drive cross country alone and I'll make sure my kids don't either, even as adults. How many threads on this forum are about grown adults (many of them men) who are missing or their cars found abandoned on road trips? I don't think there's anything at all telling about Dad flying out to drive with him, except maybe that the family doesn't have significant money concerns. MOO

 

[EncyclopediaBrownJr]

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If the suspect had any intention of continuing with his studies, he would have flown home for the holidays and left the car at school. The only reason to drive the car across the country after one semester is because he no longer needs a car in Pullman, he isn't staying. It seems like he wants to distance himself and the evidence from Pullman.

Maybe he thought he was home free after arriving at his parent's home in PA.

He didn't move his things out of his apartment, but returning the car to his parent's home seems like he's only going back to Pullman to pack up. Instead, police packed up.

Why not put all his stuff in the car and make one trip? Or rent a small uhaul truck? Dad drives the car and he drives the uhaul?