ID - 4 University of Idaho Students Murdered - Moscow # 15

[Russian Blue]

Poor dude. No one is safe from public finger pointing. Makes me hope I am never part of a case. Someone on websleuths even accused me of knowing too much about delphi and should be investigated. And I'm a girl and live in New Orleans

I think it's time he refrained from interviews regarding this. I don't feel he is adding any real information for the public, I think he was willing to talk on camera and the media needed another story.

 

[layer]

Steve Goncalves, the father of 21-year-old victim Kaylee Goncalves, sheds new light on what he believes happened the night of the quadruple murder. READ MORE: https://abcn.ws/3UhL0wo

"getting a ride home together in what Steve described as a sorrority designated driver service"

 

[MesquiteO21]

I believe that there was only one target and here’s why: It’s not super uncommon for girls of this age to sleep in the sand bed in a non sexual manner, especially when coming back from the bars; I know plenty of pairs of girls that lived together in college that would do this. When you factor in that KG was graduating early and getting ready to leave it wouldn’t surprise me if they were in the same room. Especially when you look at the fact that they both called the ex boyfriend. Perp walks in the sliding glass doors in the back, up the stairs to whichever girls room was the target, finds both MM and KG, stabs them both, as perp is walking back downstairs, EC hears the disturbance and confronts them, he’s murdered, <modsnip: rumor>, and XK is stabbed as well as she witnessed EC’s murder. This explains the girls downstairs being spared as well. Just my opinion

to add to this, i'm also wondering whether murder was even the original motive. I think a SA attack could be likely on one of the 2 girls on the third floor. Didn't know or expect them to be in the same room and/or bed, so things went real bad very quickly. Then, like you mentioned, he encountered E and X as he went to the 2nd floor. Then he either left out the sliding door, bypassing the basement roomies altogether, or he DID leave down the back stairs near their rooms but since they were asleep in their locked rooms it wasn't really necessary to eliminate them as potential witnesses and he needed to get out of there fast.

MOO and just using the 'he' pronoun for simplicity

 

[girlhasnoname]

Steve Goncalves, the father of 21-year-old victim Kaylee Goncalves, sheds new light on what he believes happened the night of the quadruple murder. READ MORE: https://abcn.ws/3UhL0wo

At the 1:00 minute mark:

According to the father SG, "it was fast, nobody suffered, nobody felt like that kind of pain".

This is an interesting comment to me, suggesting the killer was in and out quickly and didn't linger on the victims or the scene.

MOO

 

[stmarysmead]

I stated several threads back that perhaps X&E picked up K&M from the food truck and that is how they knew all of them arrived around 1:45 (1:56).

MOO

I think that could be very possible…but LE confused that theory, IMO, by stating that person ‘was cleared.’

 

[scapa]

Idaho coed murders: Sorority sister recalls victim's hours before tragedy, 'a normal night in Moscow'

University of Idaho students Ethan Chapin, 20; Kaylee Goncalves, 21; Xana Kernodle, 20; and 21-year-old Madison Mogen were stabbed several times and killed on November 13

www.foxnews.com

A sorority sister provides some intel here

Thanks for the link. This quote struck me as interesting:

She told Fox News Digital Mogen and Kernodle had dropped out of the sorority last semester, and therefore she had seen them less frequently in recent months. Spokespersons for the local and national chapters did not respond Monday to Fox News Digital's request for confirmation.

I did my degrees in Canada and the UK, where frats/ sororities are either less common or don't exist at all, so have no idea if dropping out is usual or not. Is this the kind of thing that happens as students get closer to graduation, or might it be related to whatever went down that caused the probations?

FWIW, the uni where I did my first degrees did have some semblance of "Greek life," but it mostly dissipated after a series of severe hazing incidents and even deaths blew up in the late 90s and I think they are now effectively banned there.

There was an enormous amount of anger on campus about those events -- not enough, perhaps, to provoke mass murder.

I still think that the uni / sorority relationships are more relevant as a pretext and locale for these murders rather than the reason for them, if that makes sense.

 

[Wallendo]

Why didn't they call 911 if they were scared. They could have saved someone's life

It is very likely that all students go through a “mass shooter” lecture during freshman orientation. Usually this instruction advises people to hide and keep quiet if possible.

I wonder how many people pay attention to those lectures. I have to do an online review at work, but if the two survivors were paying attention, they were likely doing as instructed.

 

[Emerald1328]

(snippets from article)

Dad of slain Idaho student pleads with public for help: 'I have to have my justice'

The father of Kaylee Goncalves, one of the four University of Idaho students mysteriously stabbed to death in an off-campus house, speaks to ABC News.

abcnews.go.com

"Goncalves added, "My wife's biggest fear, part of the reason we didn't have a funeral, is because she couldn't be guaranteed that that monster was going to not be there.""

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"You can't imagine sending your girl to college and they come back ... in an urn," Goncalves said. "You're numb ... you can't absorb that amount of pain and agony."

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The murder weapon -- which police believe to be a fix-blade knife -- has not been found.

Goncalves said the victims suffered "large punctures" from a "brutal weapon."

Also from article:

Goncalves said the students died quickly and did not bleed for hours, so an earlier 911 call would not have saved their lives.

"Nobody suffered and nobody felt like that kind of pain," Goncalves said.

Would they actually be able to determine based on the autopsy and the crime scene that no one suffered or felt “that kind” of pain? Maybe because he said they died quickly that he’s assuming they didn’t suffer or feel much pain? Or I wonder if he was specifically told that? I guess depending on where the wounds were, it could have been an almost instantaneous death (i.e. heart).

 

[Russian Blue]

What does Incel mean?

From a google search of "Definition of Incel" a member of an online community of young men who consider themselves unable to attract women sexually, typically associated with views that are hostile toward women and men who are sexually active.

 

[dgfred]

I would think the call ins stated someone was not responding... if they saw that victim they likely noticed the blood (didn't want to get too close) and were not able to say at that time that the person was alive/dead.
Door was open when LE arrived? If so somebody likely saw at least one victim.
Maybe first sight of victim was thru glass door so they could not get close enough to tell if alive/dead.

I wonder if any of the victims were forced to their beds? Say rushed in the front door behind the last person to enter. Maybe letting the dog out to pee... gets ambushed when going back inside?
Because if they were attacked in their beds maybe the attacker got in another way than the door (unless had lock code???). First two attacked, guy leaves room to check on noises, ambushed, then killer enters last victim's bedroom. Was the dog in a crate or in another room? Was he in the victim's room?
Still so many unknowns.

I am leaning that one of the two girls sharing a bedroom were targeted/ guy and other victim are killed because of being there/ killer doesn't know other two girls are in lower level bedroom/ Leaves scene.

Just some ideas shooting thru my knuckle head.

 

[indicolite22]

Also from article:

Goncalves said the students died quickly and did not bleed for hours, so an earlier 911 call would not have saved their lives.

"Nobody suffered and nobody felt like that kind of pain," Goncalves said.

Would they actually be able to determine based on the autopsy and the crime scene that no one suffered or felt “that kind” of pain? Maybe because he said they died quickly that he’s assuming they didn’t suffer or feel much pain? Or I wonder if he was specifically told that? I guess depending on where the wounds were, it could have been an almost instantaneous death (i.e. heart).

The coroner said that the victims were stabbed in the chest and upper body.

 

[layer]

According to the father SG, "it was fast, nobody suffered, nobody felt like that kind of pain".

This is an interesting comment to me, suggesting the killer was in and out quickly and didn't linger on the victims or the scene.

Technically, it means the killer(s) could have lingered, and done additional depraved acts with the already deceased victims, which horrifically does occur sometimes.

I don't think there is any way for us to know exactly how much they suffered, but I hope the grieving father is right.

 

[MesquiteO21]

What does Incel mean?

stands for "involuntary celibate" basically men who claim they cannot get a sexual partner even if they try

 

[JaimeInLA]

I was wondering about the living conditions. When I was in college, Greek members had to live in their houses. Is this not true at U of I? Or were the victims living on King because of problems in the sorority house?

Usually you rush during your freshman year, and then live in the sorority house during your sophomore year. And then, during your junior or senior year, there are annex type houses that are occupied by sorority sisters, but are not the official house. The official house is usually for sophomores.

(Source: daughter, currently a sophomore, living in a sorority house at Ohio State.)

 

[Sundog]

Someone originally from that area, (or close by.)
You're not going to get too many people from Florida, California, NY etc. go to study in Idaho.
It'll be mainly mid-westerners.
All the students who died were mid-westerners, no? Well, I definitely think the killer was too...

University of Idaho has a formala agreement with Western states to offer out-of-state tuition at a reduced fee - 150% versus the 300% normal surcharge for out-of-state students.

So it is an attractive offer for students from Western states to attend U of I without paying 300% over in-state tuition, and only paying 150% of in-state tuition.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

I would think the call ins stated someone was not responding... if they saw that victim they likely noticed the blood (didn't want to get too close) and were not able to say at that time that the person was alive/dead.
Door was open when LE arrived? If so somebody likely saw at least one victim.
Maybe first sight of victim was thru glass door so they could not get close enough to tell if alive/dead.

I wonder if any of the victims were forced to their beds? Say rushed in the front door behind the last person to enter. Maybe letting the dog out to pee... gets ambushed when going back inside?
Because if they were attacked in their beds maybe the attacker got in another way than the door (unless had lock code???). First two attacked, guy leaves room to check on noises, ambushed, then killer enters last victim's bedroom. Was the dog in a crate or in another room? Was he in the victim's room?
Still so many unknowns.

I am leaning that one of the two girls sharing a bedroom were targeted/ guy and other victim are killed because of being there/ killer doesn't know other two girls are in lower level bedroom/ Leaves scene.

Just some ideas shooting thru my knuckle head.

One thing I did notice is that if you enter this property from the back, it could be possible that the layout of the house became confusing. In other words, you might assume the 2nd floor is the 1st floor and the 3rd floor is the 2nd floor. I haven't see an interior layout of the house, so I have no idea where all the stairs are located or whether or not the stairs to the 1st floor would be clearly visible or not.

Just an observation.

 

[MomMommyMom2]

are the survivors in protective custody? are they in danger?

This is an excellent question!

 

[Celt1997]

stands for "involuntary celibate" basically men who claim they cannot get a sexual partner even if they try

Important addition to that is that they blame women, and their "standards," as the reason for whey they cannot get a partner.

 

[indicolite22]

I wonder if any of the victims were forced to their beds? Say rushed in the front door behind the last person to enter.

SBM. IMO the killer likely waited until they all went to bed and fell asleep.

 

[Sundog]

If a person were in a place they ought not be that could be a multitude of situations… wrong toilet, in staff area and not staff, in a road they wouldn’t normally frequent .. it could be spotted by a member of the public or a suspicious spouse eg “why were you at the bar last Fri ???”
I for one, once asked my partner what was the address typed in the car gps cos I couldn’t understand why he’d been to that suburb… he answered ( truthfully )he’d been to collect a Facebook marketplace purchase . This kinda stuff I guess

Or not in a place they ought to be -- LE asking people to consider both situations.