ID - 4 University of Idaho Students Murdered - Moscow # 15

[Blinkoncrim]

Didn't LE state that only one knife was used? The killer was counting on the element of surprise, attacking the victims when they were the most vulnerable - in their sleep.

 

[Snoop Sister]

I believe that there was only one target and here’s why: It’s not super uncommon for girls of this age to sleep in the sand bed in a non sexual manner, especially when coming back from the bars; I know plenty of pairs of girls that lived together in college that would do this. When you factor in that KG was graduating early and getting ready to leave it wouldn’t surprise me if they were in the same room. Especially when you look at the fact that they both called the ex boyfriend. Perp walks in the sliding glass doors in the back, up the stairs to whichever girls room was the target, finds both MM and KG, stabs them both, as perp is walking back downstairs, EC hears the disturbance and confronts them, he’s murdered, <modsnip: rumor>, and XK is stabbed as well as she witnessed EC’s murder. This explains the girls downstairs being spared as well. Just my opinion

Totally agree with this theory. Imo, the girls on the first floor weren’t bothered because the unsub was after one or both of the girls on the third floor. I also agree Ethan was a threat somehow, whether he went to investigate the noise or some other scenario, he was only killed because he got in the way. Once Ethan was killed, he then had to kill Xana, I don’t think E or X were specific targets.

All of the above in my opinion only

 

[MntnHiker]

At the 1:00 minute mark:

According to the father SG, "it was fast, nobody suffered, nobody felt like that kind of pain".

This is an interesting comment to me, suggesting the killer was in and out quickly and didn't linger on the victims or the scene.

MOO

He was also asked about the surviving roommates calling about an unconscious person and mentioned they reached out to the girls via text and calling and it wasn’t like them (the victims) to not answer. That makes me think the survivors may not have seen anything or any deceased person but that the rooms were locked and they weren’t getting responses MOO

 

[XtremeScorpio]

good chance the perp was waiting in the house all day. or multiple days to avoid being on camera. <modsnip>

That would make sense seeing how the killings started within a few minutes after K's last phone call to J but still something tells me thats not the case

 

[human]

It is hard to imagine but it has happened many times that the killer did not leave any clues

I am always surprised to find things I did not notice . A glove dropped out of my hand while walking into the house

A paper put into a wrong place. On and on

The killer had to be super stressed on carrying this out which makes people less aware of keeping things organized

I hope something was inadvertently done incorrectly in his plan

With cameras , they can follow his path If he shows up in one camera and no others , they no his path stopped or changed somewhere at that point

Also alibis can be checked If someone says he left town , the camera will tell the tale

 

[scapa]

No, the original post claimed the girls were on probation
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ID - 4 University of Idaho Students Murdered - Moscow # 15

... but then there was this:

Could someone please provide the link to the information that one of the victims was on probation at their sorority?

TIA.

I don't believe anyone has said that. It was the sororities themselves that were on probation, not the individual members and not the victims or survivors on Kings Road.

 

[MntnHiker]

Idaho coed murders: Sorority sister recalls victim's hours before tragedy, 'a normal night in Moscow'

University of Idaho students Ethan Chapin, 20; Kaylee Goncalves, 21; Xana Kernodle, 20; and 21-year-old Madison Mogen were stabbed several times and killed on November 13

www.foxnews.com

A sorority sister provides some intel here

One interesting thing I found was when she said she would sometimes cut through the house’s back parking lot as a short cut to go to class. She lives in a house somewhere behind the King Rd house.

This happens a lot in college in my experience - cutting down your walk especially in bad weather by going through other properties or parking lots. No one usually cares. But if several people who live nearby do this, it would 1) allow people a good look at/possibly inside the house (through windows) and 2) possibly allow for interaction(s) with some of the victims while walking through MOO

 

[human]

Ha ha Can’t edit Sounds like I am talking about me as a killer

I mean in daily life I am surprised such as wondering where my glasses are and they are on top of my head

 

[Lalalacasbah]

Forensic experts help me, with all that carnage especially in the hallway, there has to some of the perps DNA left at scene. My opinion I'm confident LE has perps DNA.

Walking through that house would shake me to the core as an LE investigator.

I hope there is DNA. If perp isn't in the system (I don't think he will be) then might be hard to nail down who it is.

BUT I just heard of another killer caught here in Canada for rape and murders from 40yrs ago using that familial DNA method:

In 2019, genetic samples in the case were sent to a lab in Texas, where the results were cross-referenced with samples uploaded to Family Tree DNA, a Houston-based commercial genetic testing company, police said.

From there, detectives worked backwards, building a family tree of the suspect’s nearest common relatives, said Det Sgt Steve Smith. As they closed in on Sutherland, police served him with a warrant for his DNA to test directly against the samples recovered from the crime scenes.

Canadian man arrested for 1983 killings of two women after DNA breakthrough

Police announce arrest of suspect in pair of 40-year-old sexual assaults and slayings in Toronto

www.theguardian.com

 

[SteveP]

A designated driver from the university drove the girls home.

I had only seen that a private party drove them home. Could you provide a link to this info? Thanks.

 

[OldCop]

I agree with the emboldened. The idea that the attack was targeted bothers me.

If you're after one person, it makes more sense to wait and catch that person alone, whether at home or when they're out and about. JMOO But, risking exposure by killing the target in a situation whereby you have to kill all four seems way too risky.

Unless all four were the targets, but that seems unlikely.

We talk a lot about who was targeted; all or one? When were they targeted? Why?
We have had a similar discussion on ”premeditated” murder. Many folks believe that premeditated means days, weeks, months, of planning. It doesn’t. It means that you made a conscious decision anytime, right up to the moment, to kill someone.
I think “targeted” can have a similar type of definition. We make the distinction between targeted and random. But don’t you decide who you are going to kill? It may be days, or, weeks, or months, but at the moment you kill, you have targeted that victim. Yes, this is semantics, but who ever said LE can’t use semantics?
(I’m not saying this wasn’t planned ahead.)

 

[Blinkoncrim]

More important than 911?
I worked at a large university for 20 years. The campus police patrol the area. In this case I believe that campus police are also state police. They handle all the issues in and around the campus. I think there is a very high probability that the campus police were called before 911. I think the school has the ability to hinder things if they wanted for self preservation. They no doubt are preparing for a massive lawsuit.

 

[MntnHiker]

I had only seen that a private party drove them home. Could you provide a link to this info? Thanks.

K’s dad mentions in this video it was a designated driver through a sorority. Dad of slain Idaho student pleads with public for help: 'I have to have my justice'

 

[Snoop Sister]

I had only seen that a private party drove them home. Could you provide a link to this info? Thanks.

Dad of slain Idaho student pleads with public for help: 'I have to have my justice'

The father of Kaylee Goncalves, one of the four University of Idaho students mysteriously stabbed to death in an off-campus house, speaks to ABC News.

abcnews.go.com

 

[XtremeScorpio]

Totally agree with this theory. Imo, the girls on the first floor weren’t bothered because the unsub was after one or both of the girls on the third floor. I also agree Ethan was a threat somehow, whether he went to investigate the noise or some other scenario, he was killed because he got in the way. Once Ethan was killed, he then had to kill Xana, I don’t think E or X were specific targets.

All of the above in my opinion only

I share the same opinion

 

[guestwriter]

I’m tired of all this guessing and speculation. IMO Please catch the perp or perps who knows who it is or might be…like maybe a parent who suspects or knows something turn your son in call the tip line let the police check him out!

 

[Hexe]

Depending on the target location, could a single stab wound kill someone?

Sure. Obviously a stab wound to the heart would kill immediately, but even if the murderer did not manage to locate the heart precisely, then if he stabbed the chest above it , there is a major chance he would hit the thoracic aorta, what would cause massive bleeding and basically instant death. If the murderer hit the abdomen, directly under the heart, then there is the abdominal aorta, the biggest blood vessel in the body. Rupture to it also causes very very quick death.

 

[VaBorn]

Ah, good point. I have never seen that.

I feel this is most likely a simple misunderstanding, imo. Someone misstating/misunderstanding the sorority’s university probation as the victim’s personal probation status within the sorority. Or simply heard “sorority probation” and that the girls weren’t actively involved atm & misconstrued. Not necessarily the WS poster, but wherever the info originated.

 

[SuziQ]

Has there been confirmation that the survivors "saw" someone passed out, or if they had just "assumed" someone was passed out due to other circumstances (not answering a knocked door, not answering texts, etc.)?

This is what I think happened. IMO.

 

[Sundog]

Also from article:

Goncalves said the students died quickly and did not bleed for hours, so an earlier 911 call would not have saved their lives.

"Nobody suffered and nobody felt like that kind of pain," Goncalves said.

Would they actually be able to determine based on the autopsy and the crime scene that no one suffered or felt “that kind” of pain? Maybe because he said they died quickly that he’s assuming they didn’t suffer or feel much pain? Or I wonder if he was specifically told that? I guess depending on where the wounds were, it could have been an almost instantaneous death (i.e. heart).

For loved ones of those who have died, the greatest concern is that they didn't suffer and that death came quickly. I think the coroner likely told him that death would have been quick given the circumstances, so that there wasn't a long period of suffering.