ID - 4 University of Idaho Students Murdered - Moscow # 28

[drmrgrl]

Well I imagine 4 people being viciously stabbed in the community could have something to do with that. MOO

Also, the killer was stealthy

 

[Sister Golden Hair]

But DNA is used not only to find criminals. Their victims, too, all these nameless remnants in NAMUS. All those who had accidents on the roads and were found later. I personally believe that having DNA database helps more than hurts.

Yes, and it’s interesting how there’s two trails of states where perps have less chances of having DNA collected. If I were doing felons I would work within those areas. Jus sayin.
On the other hand, innocent people also have their DNA collected upon arrest and put in the national database in most states even if their charges are dropped.
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it's important to remember that it doesn't mean that the arrestees DNA isn't collected. It means that there aren't warrantless collections at arrest. With a warrant or judicial order, it can still be collected.

 

[NeonSunburst69]

Scientific Studies of Knife Wounds.

snipped for focus. @CeeMDubs. Interesting article. Thx for posting. Also from article: "....Cox (1941) reviewed, and 'mapped' (by making 22,600 puncture wounds in cadavers) the cleavage lines,..."

Guessing that Cox made the 22,000 plus puncture wounds in cadavers because there were no live volunteers for the study.

Seriously, it's good to know that medical professionals have done/are doing these studies, so both prosecutors & defense atty's have scientific bases for evidence presented at

Also, kudos to those who donate their bodies to science and forensic science. My dad donated his with the hopes ot would help further investigations like this.

 

[The Observer]

Dr Phil is doing a show on the case with 'experts'.

Check local listings if you are so inclined.

Inside the Idaho College Murders

*Have self reported in case not allowed.

 

[Colorado303]

So how does Idaho prosecute people they believe have committed a serious crime if they can't take their DNA to match DNA recovered at a crime scene? Or exonerate someone?

With a warrant they can take and match DNA from a suspect but unless they’re convicted the DNA info isn’t saved in a database.

 

[Strong1]

Anyone think the killer is there in Idaho in plain sight? If so how?

It's possible the killer is in Idaho. They may not have a direct connection to the victims, but may have had some kind of passing interaction with them. Maybe this interaction triggered the attack. It could have been an infatuation with one of the victims. Maybe their advances were spurned. Maybe there was jealousy involved. Maybe there was brief argument. Now days people die because of something as simple as road rage. So maybe the killer snapped because of something just as simple? So could the killer be from Moscow and still be there? If they had no direction connection with the victims and is able to stay under the radar because of that, I think it's possible.

 

[NeonSunburst69]

Does someone have the link to this video? I haven't seen it. Please post the link

Remembrance video link

hope i did that right!

I linked the wrong video. Going to find the right one. Sorry

 

[Breakout]

Several members with experience in sororities and fraternities have also commented on this. As a side note, there seems to be a 60%/40% split:

- About three members noted that in their experience, fully dropping out of a sorority / fraternity (as opposed to going in active) was rare and could imply a dispute- though as with you, none felt the the crime was linked to the sorority.

- About two members noted that in their experience, it was fairly common for sorority / fraternity members to lose interest, be unable to keep the social schedule etc. and drop out. As a result, dropping out completely would not necessarily imply a dispute.

Agreed. You can “go alumni” early, for a number of reasons: graduating soon; not able to participate in the full demands of membership but still in good standing; or even to distance yourself from a chapter having conduct issues.

 

[The Observer]

Posting for those catching up.

 

[Lillymac]

I do think it was interesting they got a dog together when they didn’t live together? Seems like a hassle to share a dog with someone living elsewhere by choice. Wonder how that worked as well

Do we know their living arrangements before the break-up?

 

[TeaTime]

If neither Kaylee nor Ethan were residents of the house, then they were not the target.

If Xana was targeted, there was no need to go to the 3rd floor.

Logically, Maddy was the target. It was not a spur of the moment event, it was brewing for a long time and the semester was about to end - hence the timing. The perp is known to all of them as a casual acquaintance, a friend of a friend and he has been to the house. He came in through the front door and went straight up the stairs to her room. Kaylee was a surprise and became collateral damage. Exiting through the rear doors, Ethan or Xana saw him walk by their room and they are dead because he thought they surely recognized him.

It's one perp whom drives the white car and left a bucket of forensic evidence behind. It is being processed. This will be solved.

MOO

 

[drmrgrl]

So why do you guys think the 2 girls on the 1st floor were spared?

Do you think it was intentional to spare them or accidental?

The killer either didn’t know them or they were out of the way IMO-secreted on the first floor

 

[Cryptic]

On one of the YT channels a profiler/cop/whoever mentioned that the killer would be very proud of their knife or knives.

Now as well as just some knife crazed madman, which professions use knives regularly and for whom knives may be a source of pride?
Hunter
Butcher
Chef

I think the indicator would need to be stronger than "A source of pride".

I have never known a professional hunting guide (I truly wish I did though). I have known professional butchers and chefs.

The butchers and chefs I knew viewed their knives as tools and had a fairly utilitarian view of them. None of them wanted good tools abused- and especially not theirs. But.... they also shied away from mega expensive brands, and could care less what steels were used in their knives etc.

Ditto for my mechanic friend. His brand is Snap On (very pricey brand favored by the pros). He will not loan me a Snap On tool. He will only reluctantly let me borrow his lesser brand tools. He is proud of his tools- but they dont define who he is is.

In short, I would look for an individual regardless of his profession for whom his knives define who he is. A "bad a$$" knife matches a "bad a$$ guy". Or, "Tough guys need tough, dangerous knives." In short, the knife is more than a good tool, it is a personal totem.

Such an individual may openly carry "tough" knives though he has no real reason to do so at the time. Likewise, he may present the knife (ives) as conversation pieces (none of the chefs and butchers I knew ever did that). Or, constantly sharpen them- though they are already sharp. The totem holder may also have encyclopedic knowledge of purportedly superior steels, tempers etc.

 

[drmrgrl]

Neither, really. They were unencountered, thus a case of out of sight, out of mind.

Unless...

That’s where he came from? IMO

 

[Sandra Ade]

Yes, but not nearly as often as some movies suggest.

A very significant number of servicemen would have no more exposure to large fixed blade knives than the average person at say, the University of Idaho.

Infantry in general and elite infantry in particular would have expsoure to fixed blade knives, and would probably be issued one. As for how often they would truly practice with such knives, I have no idea. I do know that infantrymen (and now, a few infantry women) are a relatively small minority of service members.

So.... the answer to your question as to the military as a whole maybe a fuzzy: "Yes- but not really."

My son was with the 82nd, Infantry and never was issued or used a knife. Neither did his father who was with 10th SFG. I have more fixed blade training than they do and all I do is prepare salads. Military would not need to use a knife. This was a random, opportunity seeker who glorifies movies and video games. Not a military person.

 

[ktm44]

I suspect Kaylee G was targeted.

I have no reason to disbelieve the Father, who mentioned severity of wounds.

It’s also an odd coincidence that Kaylee made the trip there to show off her new Car, and was only there for a limited time, as she was scheduled to leave permanently, starting a new chapter in her life.

IMO.

Based on SG’s comments, I would suggest that a couple scenarios.

The killer likely had no actual experience killing with a knife so his first victim may have been a frenzied mess or they intentionally intended to kill in a different manner, only to discover, it isn’t as easy a Hollywood depicts.

K may have stirred or worn up and interrupted them killing M, forcing a different approach.

If they started on the lower level first, the knife may have been getting dull from contact with bone, forcing a different approach.

 

[hopewell]

If neither Kaylee nor Ethan were residents of the house, then they were not the target.

If Xana was targeted, there was no need to go to the 3rd floor.

Logically, Maddy was the target. It was not a spur of the moment event, it was brewing for a long time and the semester was about to end - hence the timing. The perp is known to all of them as a casual acquaintance, a friend of a friend and he has been to the house. He came in through the front door and went straight up the stairs to her room. Kaylee was a surprise and became collateral damage. Exiting through the rear doors, Ethan or Xana saw him walk by their room and they are dead because he thought they surely recognized him.

It's one perp whom drives the white car and left a bucket of forensic evidence behind. It is being processed. This will be solved.

MOO

Stabbing 4 people to death reportedly in their beds and likely asleep isn't indicative of 1 lone target and 3 happenstance kills, IMO. If Xana and Ethan were awake and up at all, the non-sadistic non-psychopathic instinctive response would be for the perp to run like hell. Because one person trying to stab two awake and alert folks without drugging or restraining them is a tall order (and a likely death wish for himself).

TLDR: These kills weren't amateur night.

My opinion.

 

[Sister Golden Hair]

With a warrant they can take and match DNA from a suspect but unless they’re convicted the DNA info isn’t saved in a database.

depends on the state. the laws vary. links above.

 

[drmrgrl]

How many white Elantras worth around $8000 has LE found in the past 4 weeks?

Where is this car?

Probably hiding within a car lot IMO

 

[Cryptic]

Who would? I know there are some martial arts where people might learn, but otherwise, nothing comes to mind, unless some professions linked to cattle?
What about hunters? People who hunt told me they used guns or bows, but is proficiency with a knife a trait of a person hunting large prey? Deer or elk?

I like your martial arts possibility. Alot of martial arts are linked to a specific culture and some students may train to fight with knives from that culture from time to time as part of their over all training. For example, Kris knives for an Indonesian martial art. Or, Bolo knives for a Phillipino one.

As for hunters, they would know how to use knives as butchery tools (and large military knives make clumsy butchery tools). As a group, they would not know the most efficient ways to, well... uhmm, kill with them.

I would think most hunters would follow the butchers and chefs I knew in regards to knives: (knives are tools, tools are not meant to be abused- but they dont define me). But.... I could see a "knife totem guy" gravitating to a martial art for a variety of reasons.