ID - 4 University of Idaho Students Murdered - Moscow # 34

[AngTxGal]

IMO, I am wondering if one of the downstairs roommates woke up early in the AM to use the bathroom and caught a glimpse of the killer as he was exiting the scene.

Wow, possibly a sighting or more likely a noise! Maybe they heard moving around and thought it was their roommates but they did not come upstairs to see who it was?

Absolutely only my speculation- but noises heard upstairs would work!!
If the roommate survivors heard someone walking around upstairs in the early morning, and they could specify the time as earlier than 6AM
And they could eliminate that it wasn’t anyone who was on 1st Floor that made the noises
And no noises were heard coming from upstairs after 6AM
And the time of death of the victims is hours prior to 6AM- such as 3-4AM
Then the noises of someone walking around upstairs was the killer!

Wow, that would be creepy to remember the sounds!!
It would solidly support that the killer must have still been at the house when the noises were heard.
JMO

 

[Miss Elizabeth]

Yeah, that’s the part where people are disagreeing, I believe. If you read that statement very carefully and literally, it says the owner was nit involved and goes on to generally say please leave her alone, but it does not specifically speak to the car itself being ruled out or not.

Yes, you're absolutely correct. Nothing says the actual vehicle has been cleared. I stand corrected.

~ E

 

[SMK777]

Can you, or anyone, provide a link to the Moscow Police Department itself saying that? At this time, I don’t believe that a link to that exists.

So far, we have, in my opinion, random journalists saying that MPD said it, backed up by links to MPD saying something totally different.

Now, I think it’s very likely that MPD will clarify in the next day or so, and actually say what the journalists are claiming. But I don’t think it’s happened yet.

MOO

It may be only the journalist’s interpretation of what was said.

 

[Walela]

The media never gets anything wrong.

Obviously LE needs to make a stronger, more declarative statement regarding the vehicle's involvement.

JMHO

Wouldn't matter. There will always be some who will discount what is said; look for hidden meaning; see meaning that isn't there; report the statement with headline words that excite; and not be satisfied with the statement because it doesn't fit with their own theory. IMO LE can't win either way.

 

[SMK777]

Wow, possibly a sighting or more likely a noise! Maybe they heard moving around and thought it was their roommates but they did not come upstairs to see who it was?

Absolutely only my speculation- but noises heard upstairs would work!!
If the roommate survivors heard someone walking around upstairs in the early morning, and they could specify the time as earlier than 6AM
And they could eliminate that it wasn’t anyone who was on 1st Floor that made the noises
And no noises were heard coming from upstairs after 6AM
And the time of death of the victims is hours prior to 6AM- such as 3-4AM
Then the noises of someone walking around upstairs was the killer!

Wow, that would be creepy to remember the sounds!!
It would solidly support that the killer must have still been at the house when the noises were heard.
JMO

Maybe after cleaning up.

 

[LynnWhite]

But the Moscow Police Department said they spoke to the owner of the car and have determined the vehicle is not related to the murder case.

"the vehicle is not related to the murder case."
Follow link to read actual statement

So to be clear, I'm with those who are inferring that the police statement was likely intended to rule out the vehicle too, but i see where others are coming from. Per the link to MPDs Facebook feed you posted above, all I can find is the statement others have referenced which is specific to the owner, and the following statement from yesterday, 12/20:

"Investigators are aware of a Hyundai Elantra located in Eugene, Oregon. We are working with the local jurisdiction to determine if the vehicle is related to our case."

I might be missing something, but as i go through all the information on that MPD Facebook link, that's the most current statement specific to the vehicle that I'm seeing.

 

[AngTxGal]

So it may possibly have been stolen or borrowed.

If the Elantra in Eugene is registered to a female CO owner
And is someone related to the Idaho case
Then it was stolen/ borrowed by the perp who is involved, or a witness who is a student?

Would it then be reported as stolen/ borrowed?
Not if the parent lives in Colorado and the car is registered to the parent, but the driver is a college student who is their child.
Why is the child driving in Oregon near the holidays if their parents live in Colorado?

The million dollar question is- who was driving the Elantra when it was wrecked?
Where does the Elantra normally reside when in use, since it wasn’t found in Colorado?
Why is it not registered in Oregon?
Is the ‘job related injury’ a clue- the person drives across state lines for work?

Who drives a 10 yr old Elantra across state lines for work?
Maybe there was another vehicle involved in the collision? Where is that vehicle?
Why was the Elantra found where it was? It looked like quite the accident based on the damage for it to be sitting on a road that likely has a speed limit 45 or less.
Where did that accident take place?

Just thinking, lots of speculation
JMO

 

[Cryptic]

Rage would take time, against a type or a lifestyle could have begun years prior to the connection to these four, making this less personal to these specific victims and more a bout people like them?

Going Down in a blaze of glory with the act of destruction as a statement or mission?
- describes the mindset of school shooter, mass murderer?
- a focus on the act, not on the escape
- suicide, surrender, caught quickly
- eager to take credit, have their name attached to the act, fame in death

Survival- Not going down with the act of destruction, a long term statement of a serial killer or a single act?
- equal focus on the act and the escape
- escape in the night, no name recognition, Yet
- two different lives? hiding in plain sight?

I really like your division of attackers into two general groups:

- Glory Seekers who dont care if they are caught.
- Survivalists who seek to avoid capture.

Hazarding a guess, I would think a humiliated party goer would gravitate towards "Glory Seeker":

- He attacks the person who rejected him. And, also , but extends the attack to "The House" as a whole because other residents are part of "The System" (attractive, socially confident students- females in particular).

- Naturally, he would want others to know why he attacked "The System" and why the attack was "deserved". So.... he looks forward to going out in a blaze of glory.

The attacker, however, in this case appears to be a "survivalist". Perhaps there is a middle ground:

- Attacker was initially a Glory Seeker. Maybe retreated to his home and was waiting to do a "suicide by cop" to facilitate his "martyrdom".

- But.... the cops never showed up. Given sometime to pause, the perpetrator becomes a "survivalist" and no longer wants what he feels would be the ever lasting fame associated with the crime?

 

[Mad Hettie]

Interesting to note, 1+ month in and we (as in the public), do not know of motive, precise means of entry, intended target/s, or likely suspects. Hopefully LE has much more information related to the aforementioned or it seems like it will take a lucky break to solve this crime.

Follow motive and you have a possible route to your possible murderer(s)
I've been finding this research article on mass murderers interesting. It explores the possible motives, from romantic interest to incidental to the commission of a felony (like a robbery).
Untitled Document

 

[YaYa_521]

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