ID - 4 University of Idaho Students Murdered - Moscow # 9

[Newb7961]

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[SortaSleuthy]

Profiler weighs in ….

Idaho coed killer: FBI profiler reveals suspect’s likely attributes

Four University of Idaho students were killed more than one week ago in Moscow, Idaho, as investigators continue their search for a suspect behind the bloody attack.

www.foxnews.com

 

[starviego]

My Profile:

--Killer is between 18-24

--Killer will have had some passing contact with at least one of the victims

==Killer will have been ejected/expelled from a party/social gathering at the house due to 'inappropriate' behavior within the past eight weeks or so.

--KIller will have been under the influence of amphetamines and/or prescribed mood-altering drugs.

--KIller will have had several minor brushes with the police (not traffic violations)

==Killer will live within a half mile of the crime scene.

--Killer will attempt suicide when he feels the police are closing in, but will botch the job.

--KIller will claim 'voices in his head' told him to kill, or claim to be possessed by demons.

--Killer will be an online RPG game player, probably "World of Warcraft." If not that, he will participate in a LARP, and will think he is a vampire.

--Killer likes to wear all black, or black and cami type clothes.


There. That's it. Now go to work.

 

[LittleMsDepp]

Lots of people are speculating right now, but if you're really interested in trying to make a difference in this case at this point, I recommend going on your own and scouring the social medias for suspicious, short comments from anonymous users. If you find suspicious profiles, go to fbi.gov/moscowidaho and report the info with screenshots and links.

i have more than once thought the killer is lurking around forums such as this to get his kicks! Its not unheard of. thanks for link

 

[Samael_Satan]

Could someone please clarify meaning of 'fixed blade' , please?
Would it be something like a bread knife or a cleaver?

Any knife requiring a sheath or does not fold into the handle.

 

[Blue_Painting]

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Agree. I can't figure this out either. I do recall in early reports, the neighbor was quoted saying that one roommate DID say that she heard noises but did nothing, was distraught etc.. It was immediately after the bodies were discovered. I will see if I can find that article.

 

[Friday Fan]

I’m not sure there was a lot of “commotion”. The bottom floor, where it seems the surviving roommates lived, was offset from the upper floors. Supposedly, they were in their rooms, maybe sleeping or trying to. They lived in a “party house”. People were always coming and going, and there was always lots of noise. Unless there was loud screaming, I don’t think they would consider most noise as unusual. Furthermore, having had college kids myself as well as nieces and nephews, it was not unusual for them to sleep ‘til noon or after whenever they got the chance. I know a lot of folks think that this is unusual, but it doesn’t surprise me at all.

There have been sources of strange noises in my home. One source that baffled my hubby was a live kitten rescue stream that I watch. There is banging and "screaming". Hubby couldn't figure it out and thought someone was breaking into the house. The video played for hours while I was asleep and he was going about his daily routine. It was on my computer, but he couldn't see it.

Additionally my daughter thought coyote sounds was a girl being raped.

Raccoons also wreck havoc. They bang on the roof.

The killer could have created sounds that are similar to sounds that roommates may have been "immune to".

 

[chuckyinvestigates]

i have more than once thought the killer is lurking around forums such as this to get his kicks! Its not unheard of. thanks for link

I can pretty much guarantee the killer is lurking around these forums and socials. The speculation and discussion of how "horrific" it is, is most likely giving this person a lot of satisfaction.

 

[tabletalk123]

This case has so many red herrings imo

 

[drmrgrl]

Well that is just about every Juvenile in Idaho according to my analysis lol.

I thought about a young juvenile as well or young person doing this

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

The same way we do...wild speculation! At this point, anyone's specualtion is as good as anyone else's.

Not really. Experience as a professional in the field counts for something.

MOO.

 

[Father Dowling]

My theory still remains the same days after I originally posted it- this was done by someone the girls knew (either really well OR just very casually in passing). This wasn’t the work of a sophisticated serial killer or efficient murderer trained in the military. This was sloppy and careless, fueled solely by emotions such as jealousy, anger, and pure rage. The crime scene investigators have said the scene was very sloppy with tons of evidence left. The longtime FBI profiler also agrees. None of the facts as we know them line up with a well-prepared and trained serial killer. They instead point towards a more immature individual who was more concerned with exacting revenge and brutality than not potentially getting caught or hurt.

A military trained killer would have killed with precision, not multiple haphazard and angry slashes and stabs to the torso. That many stabs indicates someone who has zero anger/rage control. Military assassins are disciplined and efficient killing machines.

And serial killers almost always have a signature or calling card MO. Most involve luring or tricking victims into close contact with them so that they can abduct and/or torture their victims. Most serial killers aren’t into rage killing houseloads of victims. I’m aware it’s happened before, so it wouldn’t be unheard of. But it’s just incredibly rare. A serial killer could strike any time he wanted to do so. But some vengeful and scorned incel wanting to punish Kaylee might have had no other choice than to murder her that night before she moved back in with her parents and out of state for good.

Maybe I’m just a boring and unimaginative slave to statistics, but I keep going back to the overwhelming percentage of murders being committed by someone acquainted with the victim.

Also, I think there are a few discussion points which others on here seem to find critical, but which I find completely inconsequential. For instance, the whole 911 call/unconscious person debate seems like a big nothing to me. There’s no way the roommates had anything to do with this. And there’s so many ways either they or their friends who made the 911 call could have used the phrase “unconscious”. Maybe it was the 911 operator who paraphrased that. Maybe the 911 operator asked them point blank if the person appeared conscious and they replied no. Maybe they didn’t even get a close look at their deceased roommates at first and just thought one or more were unconscious. There’s no malice or importance to the crime there, at least IMO.

And then there’s the dog. Kaylee’s dog survived. Not a big deal as it relates to the crime. Doesn’t necessarily signify anything at all. Pets survive murders all the time. Some dogs don’t bark at all. Most killers have no interest in killing a dog, especially if it’s just sitting there. If someone targeted one or more of the victims, the dog was not the aim of their rage. The killer murdered the object or objects of his rage, then killed anyone else he encountered who got in his way. Just like the girls downstairs shut up in their rooms, the dog posed no threat to him.

I’ll say lastly that so much seems to be focused on the inconsistencies and confusing statements coming from law enforcement. That really isn’t a surprise for three reasons: a) as investigations develop, theories change, b) law enforcement often says things and lies to confuse, frighten, or comfort the suspects, and c) much of what they’re saying seems confusing to us because we haven’t seen what they’ve seen (if we had walked the crime scene, seen the evidence, and talked to witnesses, a lot of our confusion to their statements and theories would be cleared up). I think it’s unfair to judge law enforcement’s inconsistent and sometimes illogical statements as proof they don’t know what they’re doing or have bungled the case. There is so, so much that not even the families have been told as of now that the police do know. I guarantee that there are very specific reasons they are saying what they’re saying.

IMO, those seemingly inconsequential details are incredibly important to unlocking a bigger picture, like a puzzle piece that helps make the puzzle take shape.

My thing on the 911 call is - either it’s A.) Truly an “unconscious individual“, which we can infer with there being multiple people there at that time, they weren’t right up close to the body (locked door theory) and/or don’t fully understand the gravity of the entire scene (i.e. what about the other roommates as well) or B.) Very descriptive of the crime scene and/or they have specific details about either the crime or the scene after the crime that are of particular importance to understanding what occurred.

Both of those realities will be important to understanding the type of killer LE are dealing with.

 

[hopewell]

If it were meticulous, I don’t think the killer would have left behind the copious amounts of evidence that he did. I know it’s all just speculation at this point, and you could be right. But rage killings don’t have to be loud, and amateurs can absolutely stab victims repeatedly without feeling a thing. As someone else pointed out, OJ Simpson did that very thing. He flew into a violent rage upon seeing his wife with another man and proceeded to mutilate and almost behead them on their front sidewalk. He was able to do so and slip away with no neighbors hearing anything but a dog barking. Inside a house with closed doors, I could easily see a sloppy rage-filled stabbing occurring with the roommates passed out two floors below and neighbors not hearing anything. Just MOO.

I don't disagree that it could be done, only that it is unlikely in this case. OJ allegedly killed his wife and her boyfriend in a moment of abject rage while they were awake, standing at the door stoop, and because he thought they were having an affair. Aggrieved, egomaniacal, self-important husbands do bizarre things sometimes.

This particular killer waited until his victims were asleep in their beds, on separate floors, and sequentially stabbed each of them with seemingly minimal resistance and very little noise, while evidently traveling to and fro. That takes a plan, a skillset, and a mindset that OJ wouldn't have had.

And BAU wasn't immediately called on scene in OJ's case.

My opinion.

 

[Columbo22]

Again, IMO the killer is local and sitting back enjoying all the attention the media is publishing. Moscow is a pop. of what 25,000 people, plus or minus student's. LE needs to look local. People who have warrant's, anything about people who have been in trouble with the law. MOO

 

[Newb7961]

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[tara83]

Agree. I can't figure this out either. I do recall in early reports, the neighbor was quoted saying that one roommate DID say that she heard noises but did nothing, was distraught etc.. It was immediately after the bodies were discovered. I will see if I can find that article.

If it's true it was known as a party house The survivor's might have thought they were having friends over being loud and been irritated and tried to ignore it.Why would jump to the conclusion of murders?

 

[Sleuthchik7]

I realize that these victims had a pretty big social media presence. Could someone from social media have had something to do with these murders. Was someone jealous, did someone feel slighted, or did some one become obsessed with them.

I’m sure it’s possible. Even if the killer didn’t know them personally, he/she could find out all about them, their lives, friends, boyfriends, family, etc. etc. etc.

 

[Trouble1321075]

I want to add something somewhat optimistic toward catching the killer.

I'm guessing their a fairly strong chance that during the commission of these crimes there is a good probability the killer vomited and left behind their DNA. Going from room to room, mortally stabbing their victims had to have a very traumatic effect on the killer and it is normal for the body to reflexively react in such a manner. Maybe the police has collected that as evidence and are sitting on telling everyone about it.

 

[NatKingCola]

Random (probably dumb) question, but if someone was watching and potentially planning, maybe checking the layout for a under-the-cover-of-darkness scenario, etc., would it be possible to subpoena Zillow, etc. for a listing of IP addresses or whatever of those who may have accessed photos/floor plans prior to 11/13? Maybe even favorited a house (I've accomplished this accidentally by sending a link to myself or others). And maybe even repeatedly accessed, and even cross-reference those addresses with repeated or any social media viewings? Sorry if this has been asked/answered, and I'm not necessarily leaning towards stranger here (or not leaning), just feeling like a few mistakes could have been made before a real decision was made to do something terrible. MOO.

 

[Friday Fan]

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The article doesn't fit the headline. I read the article. It seems a bit clickbait because it didn't address the topic.