ID - 4 University of Idaho Students Murdered - Moscow # 9

[Tippy Lynn]

here is an interesting observation from video from chanleycourtTv today, the 2nd floor bedroom at the rear which we are guessing was the empty one - has a breezeblock /cement block just under the window and through the glass it appears as if the handle is in horizontal position, would that be unlatched position? Police were out around that area today lookin around.

The screen is also laying on the ground.

Autopsy Confirms 4 Idaho College Students Were Stabbed To Death - News Feed Plus

 

[Audrina]

I think that the knife is significant. Everyone in Idaho has a gun, or can get one. Killing with a gun, seems to be very impersonal.

The knife, shows rage. And planning. I have my own theory on this crime. Knives are now the number one method of killing in the UK.

Actually, it is quite common to carry a knife in Idaho. Many people are farmworkers/ranch workers or military veterans and carry knives. Narrowing down who bought one of those knives in the past, say, year, would likely not identify a suspect unless it was somebody already on their radar.

 

[Janitor101]

My Profile:

--Killer is between 18-24

--Killer will have had some passing contact with at least one of the victims

==Killer will have been ejected/expelled from a party/social gathering at the house due to 'inappropriate' behavior within the past eight weeks or so.

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--KIller will have had several minor brushes with the police (not traffic violations)

==Killer will live within a half mile of the crime scene.

--Killer will attempt suicide when he feels the police are closing in, but will botch the job.

--KIller will claim 'voices in his head' told him to kill, or claim to be possessed by demons.

--Killer will be an online RPG game player, probably "World of Warcraft."

--Killer likes to wear all black, or black and cami type clothes.


There. That's it. Now go to work.

Really like this profile! Nice job.

 

[Audrina]

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[debirlfan]

J is ex of KG, I believe MM also had a boyfriend with a J name though. Breakup was recent, though by the way her family spoke about it, it seemed like it may have not been final final, but something KG felt she wanted at that time. To my understanding, he is not a suspect or POI at this time, according to the last PC though they weren't exactly 100% clear about that.

Seems like if K was finishing her schooling, getting a new job, moving, etc she might simply have felt she didn't have the time (or the energy) to deal with a relationship. Even great relationships can be stressful, especially if there's a lot of other stuff going on.

 

[Thunderhawk1921]

First time poster, not sure if this is allowed even though I’m not naming names.

Upon doing a quick street view on google maps to take a look around the King Rd neighbourhood, I was curious to check out the house on Walenta Dr that is directly behind the King Rd house. There’s many pictures of the backyard that offer up a clear look at the back of the house and side of 1122.

Upon doing a bit more research on sex offenders that have lived in the area, it’s interesting to note that one in particular lived on the Walenta Dr, at the very house behind 1122.

It actually turns out, there’s two registered sex offenders that lived within walking distance. One also lived(s) at the apartment building at 500 Queen St.

Both of their crimes seem somewhat irrelevant/unsuspecting compared to this type of crime but I thought it to be interesting nonetheless.

 

[NatKingCola]

Why is JD not on the Moscow LE website FAQ, “Who is not believed to be involved?”

I wondered about this too, and also if just middle-of-the-night alibis are way harder to vet, if it's even possible without second-hand accounts? Does a phone not moving locations, pinging locally on incoming calls constitute checking-out? To be clear, not accusing anyone of anything, just awful reality of how difficult circumstances can be. MOO.

 

[Friday Fan]

Actually, it is quite common to carry a knife in Idaho. Many people are farmworkers/ranch workers or military veterans and carry knives. Narrowing down who bought one of those knives in the past, say, year, would likely not identify a suspect unless it was somebody already on their radar.

Hubs always carries a pocket knife. Ya' know nowadays, you can't even open a package of makeup without a knife! I really don't think carry a hunting knife in one's vehicle is suspicious.

 

[chuckyinvestigates]

It actually turns out, there’s two registered sex offenders that lived within walking distance. One also lived(s) at the apartment building at 500 Queen St.

Both of their crimes seem somewhat irrelevant/unsuspecting compared to this type of crime but I thought it to be interesting nonetheless.

Yeesh. You'd think there'd maybe be rules to prevent violent sex offenders from living amongst students?

 

[boredetective]

For those who feel this is a personal rage filled attack against the 4 victims. Who would all 4 victims have in common? And why wouldn’t it be obvious if this person was close enough to have been deeply offended by ALL 4?! Seems unlikely to me for some reason.

The 4 victims were attacked while sleeping, so rules out unintended victims.

A local college kid, maybe planning to join the military, seems likely. Or a local hunter in his 20’s-30s. Walked the area and saw a perfect place to enact his daydreams. Probably home for thanksgiving or back from military base. Maybe we are mistaking a thrill kill as a personal attack? Would make sense why no suspects yet.

 

[EncyclopediaBrownJr]

I noticed something interesting. i went back and took a look at the neighborhood. I was under the impression that if this guy was a stranger he might have stolen their mail and found out their names and then stalked them online. I noticed that there's locked mail boxes at the entrance of king/queen road. It looks like they got their mail securely delivered.

If he's a stranger and he's stalking them online, how would he get their names? I did an address search online and couldn't find any of the victim's names as far as current residents.

Very interesting. Maybe, somebody like him has entered that house before? possibly broke in when he believed nobody was there, possibly on a previous Friday or Saturday at some point and searched their rooms and belongings and found out their identities which he would then use to find their online profiles.

It kind of makes sense to me. I highly doubt this was the first time this killer decided to enter a home late at night. Think about how nerve racking that would be. I'm thinking this guy whether he knew the victims or was a stranger to the victims, was in that house previously.

 

[JaimeInLA]

Banfield is about to do a full hour on this case right now on news nation.

 

[Recidivist]

We haven’t heard anything more about the persons(s) who drove the students home that night. We‘ve heard about other people who were in contact with them, why not the driver? Do you think they are focusing on the driver?

I think they were picked up by the other two deceased roommates and that is why they all ended up home at the same time.

 

[The OG]

My Profile:

--Killer is between 18-24

--Killer will have had some passing contact with at least one of the victims

==Killer will have been ejected/expelled from a party/social gathering at the house due to 'inappropriate' behavior within the past eight weeks or so.

<modsnip>

--KIller will have had several minor brushes with the police (not traffic violations)

==Killer will live within a half mile of the crime scene.

--Killer will attempt suicide when he feels the police are closing in, but will botch the job.

--KIller will claim 'voices in his head' told him to kill, or claim to be possessed by demons.

--Killer will be an online RPG game player, probably "World of Warcraft."

--Killer likes to wear all black, or black and cami type clothes.


There. That's it. Now go to work.

I agree on almost every point. Audrina is skeptical. Here's my point by point reasoning:

1. It's a college town most of the local population is that age group
2. Given the location of the CS near a dead end street, it would be an odd choice for a random killing
3. Time frame is more narrow than I would set but an especially humiliating trigger event would force the perp to abandon his fear of consequences
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5. Even with a trigger event, a person doesn't go from a normal life to killing 4 people, this was likely a continuance of a downward spiral
6. I don't think the killer drives right up to this scene, again near a dead end road. It would be too risky to make the escape. It is more likely someone on foot or a bicycle.
7. This could go either way
8. Mental illness, yes. I don't think it it necessarily means anything with auditory hallucinations
9. RPG yes, but probably more Assasins Creed than WoW
10. Obviously for concealment, but probably fancies himself a skilled mercenary or self-taught military expert, such delusions give him the confidence to carry out the crime. It is a part of his identity.

 

[North_Idaho_Nony]

I think it's notable that law enforcement were called and arrived before EMT. That suggests to me that the whoever called 911 may have described a death or crime scene to the operator. I don't think LE typically respond when there's a 911 call purely for medical aid. At least not in my experience.

They do in Moscow. MPD is very often first on any scene because we have an excellent but volunteer FD & EMS.

 

[Curiosa20]

I would really like to know if the suspect cleaned up in the sink before leaving. That would be a definite sign of the person not knowing others were in the house.

Or he wouldn’t care because he kills whoever he needs or wants to. . IMO.

 

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[ansrali]

For those who feel this is a personal rage filled attack against the 4 victims. Who would all 4 victims have in common? And why wouldn’t it be obvious if this person was close enough to have been deeply offended by ALL 4?! Seems unlikely to me for some reason.

The 4 victims were attacked while sleeping, so rules out unintended victims.

A local college kid, maybe planning to join the military, seems likely. Or a local hunter in his 20’s-30s. Walked the area and saw a perfect place to enact his daydreams. Probably home for thanksgiving or back from military base. Maybe we are mistaking a thrill kill as a personal attack? Would make sense why no suspects yet.

the only scenario i can think of when it comes to "being personal," besides it being a single target and others being killed because they were present, is that this group seemed sociable, attractive, "popular," and well-liked. some sort of twisted, antisocial, "outsider" at the college/in the community could have seen them as a prime example of what they felt they were excluded from. a similar sort of anger that you see from incels, maybe... especially if they didn't know a man lived at the house. JMO

 

[elainebenice]

Actually, it is quite common to carry a knife in Idaho. Many people are farmworkers/ranch workers or military veterans and carry knives. Narrowing down who bought one of those knives in the past, say, year, would likely not identify a suspect unless it was somebody already on their radar.

Hell, I'm a girl (old one) in Birmingham, AL and I've always got a folding knife in my car because I fish a lot and also, knives are just handy. I also carry a .32, but different purpose for that....at least I hope so. I would lose big time in a knife fight.

 

[Diogenetic]

Yeesh. You'd think there'd maybe be rules to prevent violent sex offenders from living amongst students?

Why? Lots of sex offender target much younger kids, some even target the elderly. They are a danger to everyone.