ID - DeOrr Kunz Jr, 2, Timber Creek Campground, 10 July 2015 - #1

[hisjerseygirl]

Well that's interesting:
"The following is a news release from the Lemhi County Sheriff's Office.
On July 10, 2015 at approximately 1435 (2:35 PM) Lemhi County Sheriff’s Office 911 Dispatch Center received a call from family members that their 2 ½ year old son went missing from their camp and had been missing for an hour."



BBM - when setting straight the witness statement on TV Dad admitted to being in his black truck with Deorr at 13:00 when buying a "filthy, bawling child candy". What actually happened between 13:00-14:35...?

ETA: I'm intrigued to know 1. What time dad left the campsite & 2. What time did he get back.

interesting......
i'm wondering the same things as you.

 

[katydid23]

I am getting a bit suspicious of Dad's timeline now---but what motive? ugh

 

[3blue1pink]

We need a complete timeline.

2:35 911 call
1:35 - 2:35 searching for Deorr

It was also stated by Dad I believe that it was around 2 he was hanging with grandpa close to nap time.

HE also stated they had not left the camp since 1300.

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I read one news article that said he'd been gone an hour and another that said 20 mins ??? That's a big gap . There would be no way I'd wait an hour to call 911 if my 2 yo was missing ? Was it an hour since they had last seen DKJ and 20 mins looking for him ? I'm confused .

 

[Inthedetails]

We need a complete timeline.

2:35 911 call
1:35 - 2:35 searching for Deorr

It was also stated by Dad I believe that it was around 2 he was hanging with grandpa close to nap time.

HE also stated they had not left the camp since 1300.

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Did grandpa actually SEE the child after the 1pm visit to the store?

 

[Elainera]

How far away (driving time) is the store to the camp?

The timeline is confusing, but it often is when cases are fresh, because family give approximate times or don't really remember in all the chaos and confusion. So I wouldn't read too much into it right now.

Was grandpa the one last seeing Deorr, and when and where was that?

 

[audsmommy]

I'm not understanding the push by the family towards thinking he was abducted. There are so many details that would have to be aligned in order for this to have happened. It makes no sense to me. First, someone would have to be driving through (w/all their gear packed up), be a predator LOOKING for a kid and grab Deorr just as the parents left the area AND the grandpa wasn't paying attention. The father said he has no idea if anyone was camping in the area, but you would notice. Campers are generally friendly --- you notice them and they notice you. He has already stated it is an open area so cars would be seen if driving through.

With the timeline being questioned, I wonder if their was some type of accident and the father KNOWS that he is not on the mountain (he is vehement about this) because he removed him?! However, I am still thinking this little guy is in the water and just hasn't been found yet. I want to believe the parents.

Also, my son is almost 13, but I call him 13 even though he is technically 12. I wouldn't read too much into that. I think a lot of parents do that.

 

[teeandcee]

Whoever mentioned coyotes, I didn't think of that. So according to the interview it was 10 minutes while everyone thought he was with everyone else. That's 10 minutes an animal could have grabbed him and taken off. I think coyotes would be noisy whereas a lion would be deadly quiet. A black bear would be silent as well, but it looks more like lion country to me.

I hate even considering this honestly, but it seems to make the most sense to me especially since I see now the campground is isolated and without other campers that anyone knows of.

Audsmommy, I agree that so many things would have to come together for it to be an abduction that it seems like such a remote possibility. I assume the parents are pushing this because his being alive with an abductor is preferable to the alternative.

I think if a mountain lion walked up near the camp grounds they would see his recent tracks. But IDK.

I agree if the ground is impressionable. It could be rocky though. Maybe they did find prints and are now looking for a body. Mountain lions are so fast and so deadly there probably would be no signs of a struggle with a child this size nor any blood.

 

[leilarose68]

The impersonal, detached nature of the father in the interview was a bit odd to me... I know people act differently in grief, but I remember him saying 'his parents' with regard to Deorr... just very impersonal language which creeps me out because I know the language usage is the difference between 911 phone calls from guilty parents and innocent parents. Just... a lot of talking and very stilted language. Not drawing any conclusions, just observing. I see awkwardness more than devastation.

He doesn't even seem stunned, just focused on reciting a lot of facts... a lot of factual detours

 

[leilarose68]

I am getting a bit suspicious of Dad's timeline now---but what motive? ugh

What motive? Kids are super expensive, a ton of work and the dad probably doesn't make a ton of money as a truck driver. They're low income. I'm not saying that he's shady but of course there's motive. Tragic to say it but some parents don't want the kids they have.

I hate to say it, but if someone wanted to get rid of their kid, going camping, putting them in camo and letting them get lost with all the animals and hazards around is definitely one way to do it.

 

[Elainera]

Latest Daily Mail article

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...Idaho-campground-asks-leads-boy.html#comments

Says they reported him missing around 2:30 and had searched for 20 minutes before that. So they realized he's gone approximately at 2:15. Parents were exploring the area just before that and had left Deorr with grandpa.

Some interesting comments underneath - it seems many suspect the parents know more than they say. I don't agree with that.

One idea (in the comments) worth mentioning : have the trunks of all the cars been checked? Kids love to climb in there, which is true. I dimly remember a case where the child was found after some days in a trunk, deceased. Sorry can't remember the name of that poor boy.

 

[Aeronomy]

I don't think they'd been searching for him for an hour prior to calling 911.

The news release from the Lemhi County Sheriff's office stated the call came in about 2:35 and DeOrr had been missing for about an hour.
In the interview with the parents it is stated they looked for him for about 20 minutes prior to calling 911.
This would indicate no one knew of DeOrr's location between approximately 1:35 and 2:15 - so, possibly someone (grandpa?) could confirm he last saw DeOrr at 1:35 and likely the parents did not return from where they were until 2:15.

Also, didn't DeOrr's father say in the interview that he and DeOrr's mom were only about 50 yards away from camp?

 

[Elainera]

"Bonneville County Sheriff's Office has ruled out a lead they received Monday night concerning a missing Idaho Falls toddler.

According to Sgt. Jeff Edwards, a woman at the Ammon Wal-Mart called the Lemhi County Sheriff's Office around 3:45 p.m. She told detectives she spotted a boy she believed could have been Deorr Kunz Jr. with a man. ...

Edwards said detectives have reviewed Wal-Mart surveillance video and investigated the tip. Tuesday afternoon they determined the lead was unfounded and the child was not Deorr."

http://www.ksl.com/?nid=157&sid=35502072


Is this the store that was talked about in the interview? Is Ammon close to the campsite?

 

[blefuscu]

I don't get a hinky feeling from the parents. The dad reminds me of how my dad would react if something had happened to us. Very practical and matter of fact. The dad wanted to share the information as far as I could tell. And he genuinely teared up at the end of the raw video. You could see the tears in his eyes.

What is an "EMT bag"? The only thing I could think of was what we would call a paramedic over here. But what relevance would a paramedic's bag have?

 

[jashrema]

So many things not adding up here....my 2 cents...

Just a cursory search shows that mom has 3 children. Where were the other kids? Were they camping too?If no, where were they?

Mom has HS grad pic dated 2008...so her approx. age is 26?

She met and has been with DeOrr Sr. since 2004...so she met him when she was 14-15? Is he the father of all 3 kids?

It's not Little Deorrs grandfather that was with them at campsite...it is his great grandfather.

Interview with Little Deorrs grandmother states that her dad (great-grandfather) turned his head for a moment and when he looked back he had vanished. She makes NO mention of this "misunderstanding' that parents and ggrandpa thought the "other" was looking after him.

http://pix11.com/2015/07/13/grandmother-of-missing-2-year-old-he-just-vanished/

Father's sister states that parents don't want to be asked any questions and are going to be "off" for a few days to wrap their heads around what has happened...so don't bother them. Uh...WHAT??

Watched full unedited interview and dad gives me hinky feeling. He said "I" ALOT. Never referred to mom as his mother. Interrupted her everytime she spoke. Prattled on and on about search stuff. When the person off camera was starting to say that something needs to be addressed (you can hear the urgency in the off camera female voice) dad held up his hand and interrupted HER to stop her from speaking and said, "We'll get to that" to continue to talk about the search. WHAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED AND IS NOT BEING ADDRESSED? Dad darted eyes to right constantly while talking and contradicted himself when he said that you could see someone COME IN, but then later said you couldn't see OUT of area they were in. If you can't see out, how can you see someone come in?

(modsnip)

IMHO...Amber Alert laws need to be changed nationwide that if a child under a certain age goes missing...whether or not there are witnesses or indicators of abduction, an Amber Alert needs to be sent OUT. When a baby of 2 disappears, EVERYONE needs to know about it!!

 

[JeannaT]

I think basically, there are people with kind of rough social skills. They get shredded to ribbons if they have a child who wanders off - because every single gesture/word choice get magnified and analyzed at the worst time in their lives.

And I can certainly understand a sister saying please stop badgering my brother and his wife for a few days during this extremely difficult time, give him some breathing room.

Amber alerts are very specific because they're meant to alert the public to something they can help out with - which is looking on the roadways for a vehicle. An amber alert worked perfectly the other day in Corpus Christi, Texas, because someone recognized the car and license plate from an amber alert on her phone. If she got an alert every day, she wouldn't have noticed it and probably the boy wouldn't have been rescued. The alerts need to be rare, IMHO, and be something you can communicate on a highway overpass sign. Vehicle and license plate.

 

[jashrema]

I think basically, there are people with kind of rough social skills. They get shredded to ribbons if they have a child who wanders off - because every single gesture/word choice get magnified and analyzed at the worst time in their lives.

And I can certainly understand a sister saying please stop badgering my brother and his wife for a few days during this extremely difficult time, give him some breathing room.

Amber alerts are very specific because they're meant to alert the public to something they can help out with - which is looking on the roadways for a vehicle. An amber alert worked perfectly the other day in Corpus Christi, Texas, because someone recognized the car and license plate from an amber alert on her phone. If she got an alert every day, she wouldn't have noticed it and probably the boy wouldn't have been rescued. The alerts need to be rare, IMHO, and be something you can communicate on a highway overpass sign. Vehicle and license plate.

I totally get your point JeannaT and it IS a good system for roadways and such...I just feel that if a small child goes missing...that kid did NOT run away. They are LOST or STOLEN and everyone needs to be on lookout for that particular child..not just a car so to speak. Even if cities/towns/villages could do an alert immediately via cellphone that a child in their vicinity has gone missing...it would be something. It is a great law, certainly far better than none at all, but it needs to be improved upon on a nationwide level to accommodate small children IMO.

 

[Jules71]

I'm getting confused because it looks like there are 3 Deorr's. The two year old, his father, and another older man (grandfather or great grandfather??). It has been stated the great grandfather was with the family camping. When I see quotes by Deorr Sr. I am not sure if they are referring to the baby's dad or the grandpa/great grandpa.

I also cannot locate the article about a trip to the store earlier in the day for a candy bar. Does anyone have a link handy?

Also there were two possible vehicle descriptions listed. Where did the other one (not black truck) come from?

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[Elainera]

Help Find Deorr Kunz page

https://www.facebook.com/FindDeorrKunz?fref=ts&ref=br_tf

 

[Elainera]

I'm getting confused because it looks like there are 3 Deorr's. The two year old, his father, and another older man (grandfather or great grandfather??). It has been stated the great grandfather was with the family camping. When I see quotes by Deorr Sr. I am not sure if they are referring to the baby's dad or the grandpa/great grandpa.

I also cannot locate the article about a trip to the store earlier in the day for a candy bar. Does anyone have a link handy?

Also there were two possible vehicle descriptions listed. Where did the other one (not black truck) come from?

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Both, the earlier trip to the shop and the mentioning of a second car came up I believe only in the interview with the parents.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[jashrema]

I'm getting confused because it looks like there are 3 Deorr's. The two year old, his father, and another older man (grandfather or great grandfather??). It has been stated the great grandfather was with the family camping. When I see quotes by Deorr Sr. I am not sure if they are referring to the baby's dad or the grandpa/great grandpa.

I also cannot locate the article about a trip to the store earlier in the day for a candy bar. Does anyone have a link handy?

Also there were two possible vehicle descriptions listed. Where did the other one (not black truck) come from?

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Jules...It is my understanding that when they refer to Deorr Sr. it is the missing childs father as the child is Deorr Jr. or "little Deorr".

The trip to the store as relayed by the father can be found in the video interview of parents

http://www.eastidahonews.com/2015/07/uncut-entire-interview-with-parents-of-deorr-kunz/

The 2 car descriptions are a little misleading. The first was a "black truck" that was seen by a storekeeper outside camp that said man was buying candy for a small, dirty, crying blond boy. The father in the vid states that was HIM with the boy but states it was approx. 12:30 pm or so....NOT 4PM like the storekeeper said.

The other lead came in and stated they saw a boy who looked like Deorr in store today? yesterday? This lead was dismissed when police stated they viewed store video and the boy was NOT Deorr..I can't find that link right at the moment but I believe it was referenced earlier in thread.