ID - DeOrr Kunz Jr, 2, Timber Creek Campground, 10 July 2015 - #1

[Jules71]

They are starting from scratch and bringing in K9 dogs.

http://www.ktvb.com/story/news/local/idaho/2015/07/14/search-deorr-kunz-lemhi-county/30162615/

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[jashrema]

They are starting from scratch and bringing in K9 dogs.

http://www.ktvb.com/story/news/local/idaho/2015/07/14/search-deorr-kunz-lemhi-county/30162615/

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Great link with useful information Jules! So does this mean they haven't brought dogs in for 4 days? I am also glad that they have called National Missing Childrens to come out. Does anyone know if it has rained in the last 4 days in that area? Hopefully once dogs come in there will be a breakthrough.

 

[Jules71]

Great link with useful information Jules! So does this mean they haven't brought dogs in for 4 days? I am also glad that they have called National Missing Childrens to come out. Does anyone know if it has rained in the last 4 days in that area? Hopefully once dogs come in there will be a breakthrough.

The fb page I shared earlier for the search stated they had searched with dogs.

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[katydid23]

They said earlier they had dogs trying to pick up a scent. I wish we knew how well trained or experienced they were. Apparently they could not pick up a scent outside of the campsite.

 

[hisjerseygirl]

They are starting from scratch and bringing in K9 dogs.

http://www.ktvb.com/story/news/local/idaho/2015/07/14/search-deorr-kunz-lemhi-county/30162615/


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thank you for the link!

 

[JeannaT]

They don't have the time to return to "square one" with more dogs. That ship has sailed. It's highly unlikely this child could have survived to this point, although in my opinion I'm certain this was a simple case of a child wandering away and getting lost.

The time has passed to find him alive.

The time to have rallied ALL their forces to search for him was on day 2, when there were good chances of finding him alive and well.

It's too late. It's of much lesser importance that they recover remains, which I think they're quite likely to do in the next couple days.

Too little, too late.

A family with a lot of monetary resources could have just hired helicopters of their own, excellent tracking dogs of their own, and professional searchers who could blanket the area and find that little one while it still mattered. So very sad.

 

[Jules71]

I watched the video again and it was Jessica's grandpa who was with Deorr.

I also want to know what this is about an emt bag. The person offscreen in the raw video asks about it in the context of clearing up rumors that were going around.

Was anyone able to map how far away this store is?

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[katydid23]

They don't have the time to return to "square one" with more dogs. That ship has sailed. It's highly unlikely this child could have survived to this point, although in my opinion I'm certain this was a simple case of a child wandering away and getting lost.

The time has passed to find him alive.

The time to have rallied ALL their forces to search for him was on day 2, when there were good chances of finding him alive and well.

It's too late. It's of much lesser importance that they recover remains, which I think they're quite likely to do in the next couple days.

Too little, too late.

A family with a lot of monetary resources could have just hired helicopters of their own, excellent tracking dogs of their own, and professional searchers who could blanket the area and find that little one while it still mattered. So very sad.

They did have all that. There were helicopters, search dogs, lots of professional people walking, divers, horse back riders, kayaks, etc.

eta: Here is one of the Rescue Groups that came out:
https://www.facebook.com/SalmonSearchandRescue

 

[3blue1pink]

I mentioned coyotes earlier . Yes , they do make a lot of noise but it's usually at night when they are "talking" to each other . I have seen them active during the day and they are most certainly silent and they blend in with the landscape . We lived on 5 acres in the Clearwater valley . They're here every night and often during the day . They are not in packs usually alone . Idk if g grandpas timeline is accurate .... Seeing him one minute and not the next . I'm thinking if a coyote or other animal grabbed him he'd have screamed and there would've been a ruckus. So unless grandpa was asleep ( someone said he was getting ready for a nap ) and mom and dad were not as close as they'd thought it's unlikely the animal would've gotten away completely unnoticed . No tracks , no noise no blood etc.... I just realized I have talked myself out if the animal attack theory . I think the water took him . Even tho the sheriff says he's 100% positive the he's not in the creek I'm not so sure. I do have a nagging thought in the back of my head that maybe just maybe he's been kidnapped . But by whom? There must not have been any people around their campsite or they'd know if there were others . If someone did take him another vehicle would have had to come into the area and if you had been All alone in that area you would've noticed another car coming in .

 

[3blue1pink]

Rethinking my last post . The boy must've walked away probably trying to find his parents . Then if he was away from the campsite , I could agree that an animal grabbed him . Even still you would think there would be some evidence of a struggle ? They said they conducted a thorough search in a 2.5 mile radius. A 2 year old child couldn't get that far in such a short amount of time ...... Which brings me back to the abduction or water theory . More likely the latter .

 

[tiffay01]

Rethinking my last post . The boy must've walked away probably trying to find his parents . Then if he was away from the campsite , I could agree that an animal grabbed him . Even still you would think there would be some evidence of a struggle ? They said they conducted a thorough search in a 2.5 mile radius. A 2 year old child couldn't get that far in such a short amount of time ...... Which brings me back to the abduction or water theory . More likely the latter .

My question is, in the event it was an animal (which I agree with you, that it's not likely) wouldn't there still be blood somewhere?

 

[Wendy101]

His behaviour reminds me of Kaine Horman...IMO..

Majority have overlooked or made excuses for the reason Kaine acted that way.. ie.. "team player' .. media kicked out of metigs ect.ect.

Point is maybe this Dad is like Kaine ..

So many things not adding up here....my 2 cents...

Just a cursory search shows that mom has 3 children. Where were the other kids? Were they camping too?If no, where were they?

Mom has HS grad pic dated 2008...so her approx. age is 26?

She met and has been with DeOrr Sr. since 2004...so she met him when she was 14-15? Is he the father of all 3 kids?

It's not Little Deorrs grandfather that was with them at campsite...it is his great grandfather.

Interview with Little Deorrs grandmother states that her dad (great-grandfather) turned his head for a moment and when he looked back he had vanished. She makes NO mention of this "misunderstanding' that parents and ggrandpa thought the "other" was looking after him.

http://pix11.com/2015/07/13/grandmother-of-missing-2-year-old-he-just-vanished/

Father's sister states that parents don't want to be asked any questions and are going to be "off" for a few days to wrap their heads around what has happened...so don't bother them. Uh...WHAT??

Watched full unedited interview and dad gives me hinky feeling. He said "I" ALOT. Never referred to mom as his mother. Interrupted her everytime she spoke. Prattled on and on about search stuff. When the person off camera was starting to say that something needs to be addressed (you can hear the urgency in the off camera female voice) dad held up his hand and interrupted HER to stop her from speaking and said, "We'll get to that" to continue to talk about the search. WHAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED AND IS NOT BEING ADDRESSED? Dad darted eyes to right constantly while talking and contradicted himself when he said that you could see someone COME IN, but then later said you couldn't see OUT of area they were in. If you can't see out, how can you see someone come in?
Deorr Sr. mother's FB page, she has pics up but then they are interspersed with other musings about off topic of grandson. When someone asks her if search was called off she says she doesn't know, her daughter (deorr sr. sister) said no. Also elsewhere on page someone that sounds like an insider stated that official search was called off until next week as animal behavior will be different then.

Are we allowed to give names/links on here of family's FB and such? I have not done so because I didn't want to break any rules. If we are allowed, someone please tell me and I will provide links to FB postings and "family tree" of parents.

IMHO...Amber Alert laws need to be changed nationwide that if a child under a certain age goes missing...whether or not there are witnesses or indicators of abduction, an Amber Alert needs to be sent OUT. When a baby of 2 disappears, EVERYONE needs to know about it!!

 

[3blue1pink]

My question is, in the event it was an animal (which I agree with you, that it's not likely) wouldn't there still be blood somewhere?

My point exactly . There would have to be blood somewhere in that 2.5 miles they searched because there is no way a child that small could travel that far in such rugged terrain .

 

[3blue1pink]

Wondering if they were camping in a tent or did they have an RV? If grandpa was trying to put baby down for a nap it would make a big difference if DeOrr jr was in a vehicle with a door ( our RV has a squeeze type handle a 2 year old couldn't open without help ) or a tent he could easily slip out of .

 

[katydid23]

Wondering if they were camping in a tent or did they have an RV? If grandpa was trying to put baby down for a nap it would make a big difference if DeOrr jr was in a vehicle with a door ( our RV has a squeeze type handle a 2 year old couldn't open without help ) or a tent he could easily slip out of .

I think, according to what was quoted and linked earlier, that grandpa 'was looking at Deorr, turned his head, looked back' and the baby was gone. So that sounds like they were outside in the campsite. Not in the tent or RV.

Plus I dont think they had an RV. They had a black truck with them.

 

[seesthru]

They were camping near a creek near a reservoir. Great grandpa was looking after him, the parents went for a walk. The kid wandered toward where the parents were off walking to, and grandpa thought he was with them. They thought he was with Great grandpa. That's the story more or less from the father of the boy.

LE claims it searched the water and found no sign. But, in the Omarion Humphrey case LE had dragged that lake 6 times and used divers and he was in the lake the whole time, drowned. I feel if this child is still in that area unfortunately he's drowned.

 

[3blue1pink]

I think, according to what was quoted and linked earlier, that grandpa 'was looking at Deorr, turned his head, looked back' and the baby was gone. So that sounds like they were outside in the campsite. Not in the tent or RV.

Plus I dont think they had an RV. They had a black truck with them.

We pull our travel trailer with our pick up , plus 5th wheels have to be pulled by pick ups . I really don't know if I put much faith in grandpas timeline .... You couldn't lose track of a toddler after "turning your head" .

 

[3blue1pink]

They were camping near a creek near a reservoir. Great grandpa was looking after him, the parents went for a walk. The kid wandered toward where the parents were off walking to, and grandpa thought he was with them. They thought he was with Great grandpa. That's the story more or less from the father of the boy.

LE claims it searched the water and found no sign. But, in the Omarion Humphrey case LE had dragged that lake 6 times and used divers and he was in the lake the whole time, drowned. I feel if this child is still in that area unfortunately he's drowned.

Agreed. The most likely these it is that he is in water . Either lake or creek . I know LE promised he wasn't in the creek but what about reservoir ? How close were they to the lake ?

 

[SeriouslySearching]

My first thought is foul play. It is all I can say about that for the moment.

 

[wendybtn]

I'm so glad WS wasn't around when my daughter was a baby. I would have been in a constant panic about something happening to her. Just watching the news was bad enough.

But honestly, I never got so over-involved in any conversation, play group, electronic device, partying when I was in charge of my kids, that I could have lost them. They were #1. If I walked off or hung up on you, it was because following/watching/running after whichever kid was much more important than what we adults were discussing/watching/doing. That was the number one thing that changed when I began having kids. 24/7 reponsibility for another life or lives. I agree wholeheartedly cluciano63! Unless appropriate, non-crazy friends or family agreed to babysit!