ID - DeOrr Kunz Jr, 2, Timber Creek Campground, 10 July 2015 - #1

[ClaireNC]

A big question I've had is whether or not DeOrr's g-grandfather had actually seen DeOrr prior to turning his head or if he was only told DeOrr was napping.

Another great question.

 

[Elainera]

My question is, in the event it was an animal (which I agree with you, that it's not likely) wouldn't there still be blood somewhere?

Regarding blood and a struggle, if it was a mountain lion the answer to that would be no with a child that size. A lion would clamp down on either the skull or neck, killing the victim instantly, hence no blood or struggle and then easily carry the body somewhere. If the ground was hard it'd be very difficult to see any evidence if there was any. Any eventual blood drips or drag marks would be very difficult to find in ALL that terrain too. A lion attacking an adult will produce a struggle and blood (most of the time), but not with a child this size. They are so easily taken down.

I truly hate typing all that, and I'm still hoping by some miracle he's alive whatever happened to him. At the very least I'm praying they find some evidence of what happened to him.

I agree with teeandcee. Cats can just grab and shake - snapping the neck in a split second. This would be easy for them with such a small child. Sorry to write this.

Little Deorr might have wandered away from the camp and been grabbed, killed, and carried away by a lion even before they realized he's missing.

I wonder if they have tried to search know spots, caves, etc in the area where big cats have been known to sleep/breed, etc?

 

[keeponsearching]

Maybe they bought wood at the store? OR around my state, homes near campsites have wood, you drop the money in and take the wood. And after he promise Deorr candy so they went to the store.

I have reread this thread so many times. I have the same questions as most of you. The parents left Deorr with gramps around 1:35? And came back at 2:15? So almost a hour of Deorr walking alone? See this is why I had to reread it so much. My mind can't seem to function on the timeline. I think Deorr is either in the water or outside the radius they've looked. Because once help came, Deorr could even be farther away

 

[keeponsearching]

Do these lions come out during the day?

 

[Elainera]

Really good point Inthedetails about the timing and it being nap time, etc. I keep going back and forth as to what I think happened. First watching the long video I did believe the father and felt really sorry for both mom and dad. But when people point out things like this, I go back onto the fence.

So the timing looks something like this:
-Around noon dad takes fuzzy DeOrr to the store and buys him a candy bar.
-Around 1:00? Mom and dad leave DeOrr with great-grandpa and go off exploring
-About 10 minutes later they notice DeOrr is missing.
-Search for an hour and call LE/SAR at 2:36.

Did I miss anything?

Typing that brings up more questions. When did they start this camping trip? Was it the first day or had they been there overnight? If it was the first day, why was DeOrr already dirty/fussy, etc at noon? Who else was camping with them? Was it just Mom, Dad, DeOrr and Great-Grandpa? Was the campground full? Other campers around?

bbm - it was said they searched for 20 minutes before calling 911. So they started searching at about 2:15.

 

[ClaireNC]

Maybe they bought wood at the store? OR around my state, homes near campsites have wood, you drop the money in and take the wood. And after he promise Deorr candy so they went to the store.

I have reread this thread so many times. I have the same questions as most of you. The parents left Deorr with gramps around 1:35? And came back at 2:15? So almost a hour of Deorr walking alone? See this is why I had to reread it so much. My mind can't seem to function on the timeline. I think Deorr is either in the water or outside the radius they've looked. Because once help came, Deorr could even be farther away

I'm trying to get the timeline straight as well. I think that they said that DeOrr was only with Gr-Grandpa for about 10 minutes before they discovered him missing. I see somebody just mentioned that they searched for him for 20 minutes before calling for help. The call was made at 2:36. So the noticed him missing at around 2:15. I thought they said they searched for him for an hour. Are stories changing?

Which brings up something I thought a little strange in the interview. JM made the call for help at 2:36. DK claimed that he jumped in his truck to go make the call around the same time, because he didn't have cell phone reception at the campsite. He didn't know she had made the call and managed to get through to LE. When he reached the emergency number they said it had already been reported. So was DK actually at the camp when DK jr. went missing? Or was DK away when mom and grandpa noticed he was gone?

My head is spinning with questions. I need to walk away for a bit.

 

[Elainera]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...daylight-Idaho-campground-asks-leads-boy.html


"The boy's parents said that as soon as they realized that he was missing, they searched far and wide for him for 20 minutes before calling the police."

bbm

I don't know why 1 hour was reported.

 

[Elainera]

Huffington Post article claims he wandered away.


2-Year-Old Deorr Kunz Jr. Missing After Wandering Away From Family's Campsite

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/07/15/deorr-kunz-idaho_n_7801696.html?ir=India&adsSiteOverride=in

 

[ClaireNC]

Thanks Elainera! However, that is the Daily Mail - not known for the most accurate reporting. I need to re-listen to the long interview and see what they said.

And the Huffington Post tends to sensationalize for dramatic impact. It is not known if he wandered off, was abducted or something else.

 

[Aeronomy]

I'm trying to get the timeline straight as well. I think that they said that DeOrr was only with Gr-Grandpa for about 10 minutes before they discovered him missing. I see somebody just mentioned that they searched for him for 20 minutes before calling for help. The call was made at 2:36. So the noticed him missing at around 2:15. I thought they said they searched for him for an hour. Are stories changing?

Which brings up something I thought a little strange in the interview. JM made the call for help at 2:36. DK claimed that he jumped in his truck to go make the call around the same time, because he didn't have cell phone reception at the campsite. He didn't know she had made the call and managed to get through to LE. When he reached the emergency number they said it had already been reported. So was DK actually at the camp when DK jr. went missing? Or was DK away when mom and grandpa noticed he was gone?

My head is spinning with questions. I need to walk away for a bit.

During the unedited video (somewhere around the 5:15 mark) the reporter tries to clarify if and which of them realizes DeOrr is missing first and asks DeOrr's mother if DeOrr's father was first to notice . . . she starts to speak, "He.." but is interrupted by DeOrr's father saying, "No, we both did." DeOrr's mother looks at DeOrr's father, back to the reporter and says, "No, I, we both did."

This is the point where DeOrr's father states they then start looking for 20 minutes around the area before he decides to go down the road to call 911.

 

[jmcgladr]

Do these lions come out during the day?

Yes, I am not sure it is their most active time, but they are definitely seen during the day in wilderness areas.

 

[3blue1pink]

Can someone post the link to the long video? Pretty please ....

 

[desert-blue]

http://www.eastidahonews.com/2015/07/uncut-entire-interview-with-parents-of-deorr-kunz/

 

[pappa rob]

I agree with teeandcee. Cats can just grab and shake - snapping the neck in a split second. This would be easy for them with such a small child. Sorry to write this.

Little Deorr might have wandered away from the camp and been grabbed, killed, and carried away by a lion even before they realized he's missing.

I wonder if they have tried to search know spots, caves, etc in the area where big cats have been known to sleep/breed, etc?

A mountain lion crushes the neck suffocating it's victim, they don't shake. They pretty much sleep wherever they want, often laying in tree branches. They don't stick to one place they roam over large areas, unless they find an spot with plentiful food.

 

[3blue1pink]

http://www.eastidahonews.com/2015/07/uncut-entire-interview-with-parents-of-deorr-kunz/

Thanks

 

[3blue1pink]

After watching the video .... I don't see or feel Anything hinky .... Yes dad is overbearing at times but I think that's just his personality .

One thing that bothers me is what are they talking about when the person off camera mentions the EMT bag ? DKS says "well get to that " but he never does . Whoever was asking about it was pretty adminant about discussing it . Any more info on that bag??

Also it's odd to me that they never mention an animal attack possibility ?

One more thing is first dad says it's open and would be hard to disappear . Then he says you can't see out ???

Lastly , the reservoir is only a few feet deep ? You can see the bottom from the ridge . If that's true then they would most certainly be able to see a body from the helicopter .

 

[Elainera]

A mountain lion crushes the neck suffocating it's victim, they don't shake. They pretty much sleep wherever they want, often laying in tree branches. They don't stick to one place they roam over large areas, unless they find an spot with plentiful food.

Thank you!

Since you seem knowledgeable -

Often sleep laying in tree branches ... would they carry their food up into a tree as well? (In which case searchers might want to look up into trees as well, for evidence of clothing - sorry to write this! )

What does a mother lion with cubs do as long as they're too small to roam? She would stick to one place, right? A sheltered space?

 

[Elainera]

After watching the video .... I don't see or feel Anything hinky .... Yes dad is overbearing at times but I think that's just his personality .

One thing that bothers me is what are they talking about when the person off camera mentions the EMT bag ? DKS says "well get to that " but he never does . Whoever was asking about it was pretty adminant about discussing it . Any more info on that bag??

Also it's odd to me that they never mention an animal attack possibility ?

One more thing is first dad says it's open and would be hard to disappear . Then he says you can't see out ???

Lastly , the reservoir is only a few feet deep ? You can see the bottom from the ridge . If that's true then they would most certainly be able to see a body from the helicopter .

bbm

I think they very much want to believe he's been abducted because that would be the only scenario that offers some hope that he's still alive. They don't talk about how long he could survive in the wild w/o animal attack either. They seemed to have pushed all these kind of thoughts far away. Dad is explaining again and again that Deorr can't possibly be in the area anymore, justifying to himself, I think, the theory of abduction.

I personally think it's wrong, I think they should search intensively for at least another week, widening the radius.

I got a slight feeling that mom is not only sad, exhausted, and devastated, but also angry and slightly defensive, I wonder now whether she doesn't believe in the abduction theory as much as dad.

 

[Elainera]

The mysterious EMT bag ... is everyone sure that they heard correctly? Could it have been something else? It makes no sense to me. *baffled

I'm not able to watch the video right now, maybe later. At what minute is this said?

 

[3blue1pink]

The mysterious EMT bag ... is everyone sure that they heard correctly? Could it have been something else? It makes no sense to me. *baffled

I'm not able to watch the video right now, maybe later. At what minute is this said?

The bag is brought up at about the 6th minute maybe a few second before .