ID - DeOrr Kunz Jr, 2, Timber Creek Campground, 10 July 2015 - #1

[wendybtn]

I know several 72-year-olds I would let babysit. My father died suddenly at 72, but only months before that he'd been camping and fishing with the family. It's not really all that old, actually. Paul McCartney, Judge Judy, and America's Vice President are all 72, for instance.

I also know people like that as well as 60 year olds that are too ill to look after themselves. The family nor LE has addressed this.

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

So it could take 5 or 6 hours like the man said!

I'm thinking it wouldn't take that long...

but that is just my opinion...

JMO...

 

[Lizzzard]

we all have kids, we all have similar and differing situations. not one of ours compares to theirs.

if the father is convinced (as he's stated) the child is no longer at the site, again, why are they refusing to leave?

If I had to venture a guess it would be for a few reasons.


1. He said he was convinced but maybe now he really isn't. The searchers/authorities having doubts could let doubts creep in for him/them too.

2. Where else would they be? If the campsite area is where information is localized (as well as the authorities that have it), that's where I'd want to be.

3. I don't know if they are necessarily "refusing" to leave. That would only be the case if they had been told to, wouldn't it?


If I was the parent of a missing child, I'm not sure how much of what I did would be rational. Anyhow, that's my 2 cents.

Maybe your question was rhetorical? If so.....you never saw this...

 

[ninij9]

we all have kids, we all have similar and differing situations. not one of ours compares to theirs.

if the father is convinced (as he's stated) the child is no longer at the site, again, why are they refusing to leave?

I would imagine the very minute they leave the campgrounds they would have to come face to face with their new reality, that is to begin a life without their precious little son. Unimaginable. I wouldn't leave either. [emoji17]

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[catswhiskers]

Yes, when they leave the campsite and head home, what will they be going back to? Going back to their normal work days as though nothing has happened? It is inevitable that this is what awaits them if Deorr isn't found, but what a heartbreaking reality. If they are financially able to stay longer, I don't blame them.

 

[eileenhawkeye]

How far away from the campsite is home? I think the family would want to be close to the people who are searching for their son.

 

[Mountain]

I don't think it's odd at all to leave to go to the store right after arriving. Maybe they needed ice for the cooler or any number of things.

JMO but I think it is very odd to leave for the store once you got to the camp. We camped a lot when my kids were growing up. Anybody that camps knows to take the items you need. We use to make a list and go over it twice just to be sure we did not forget anything. You don't pick up and leave to just to go get a candy bar. I have a problem with this.

 

[Mountain]

we all have kids, we all have similar and differing situations. not one of ours compares to theirs.

if the father is convinced (as he's stated) the child is no longer at the site, again, why are they refusing to leave?

I agree. I find this pretty bizarre. JMO but dads acting strange. Sort of flip flopping so to speak.

 

[teeandcee]

I'd probably stay at the campsite. Going home means accepting things. I don't think I could do that at this point if I were them. I don't even want to accept things and I'm not emotionally invested.

 

[eileenhawkeye]

JMO but I think it is very odd to leave for the store once you got to the camp. We camped a lot when my kids were growing up. Anybody that camps knows to take the items you need. We use to make a list and go over it twice just to be sure we did not forget anything. You don't pick up and leave to just to go get a candy bar. I have a problem with this.

Besides the candy bar, did the family say what else they bought at the store?

 

[carbuff]

JMO but I think it is very odd to leave for the store once you got to the camp. We camped a lot when my kids were growing up. Anybody that camps knows to take the items you need. We use to make a list and go over it twice just to be sure we did not forget anything. You don't pick up and leave to just to go get a candy bar. I have a problem with this.

I always managed to forget something. It doesn't help to check the list when you forget to put something on the list in the first place And do we know that they are experienced campers? If they just go out once a year, they might not have figured that part out, especially if D was having a toddler-style meltdown over something.

 

[Mountain]

Well I just watched the uncut video of the parents interview and it broke my heart. These two people want nothing but their son. We can pick apart how they looked, how they said things and what they said but at the end of that interview they both cried and I cried with them. I agree with the sheriff. These two parents are innocent and this little boy needs to be found.

I did find it interesting when the father talked about the road he wasn't aware of that they could not see but looked down on the campsite. I all along thought he was in the water but now I am leaning toward an abduction.

[video=youtube;mwM1oG3z358]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwM1oG3z358[/video]

Man that was sad.

 

[teeandcee]

I agree that the mostly likely scenario is still one of the bodies of water. My second guess is that he is buried, but if he is, I don't believe it was done by an animal (at least not of the four-legged variety).

I've considered this as well. I keep forgetting about the mysterious friend. I'm not sure how so much could be accomplished in such a short time frame especially if the soil is rocky and the digging difficult, but animals of the human sort never cease to amaze/horrify me.

I am just a little confused about where the idea came from that there would be zero evidence if a lion was involved. Yes, lions can kill rather cleanly, and yes, they will often drag their prey a short distance for more cover, but they don't typically move it miles,

I don't think there'd be zero evidence, but probably missed/destroyed evidence like tracks that were run over with all the vehicles/searchers. I do think with a child this size there'd be very little, if any, blood evidence. If they brought in an expert tracker I'd be happy to dismiss my theory, but I've not heard anything in that regard aside from a reporter saying there was no evidence. I agree, they don't typically move it miles and I've considered that.

Regarding the water, there was a young man featured on an episode of "Disappeared" who (most likely) committed suicide with pills near a river and his body was never found. That baffles me. There were plenty of potential snags in the river, but he seemed to vanish into thin air (his clothing was found). And he was a full grown adult.

At this point I'm hoping they find something, anything, to help these people to gain some closure for lack of a better term.

 

[Unsolved]

Well, that's weird, IMO. I would definitely NOT be bringing a stranger who was an acquaintance of my grandfather's along on a camping outing with my baby! I would want to vet anyone who was going to be staying overnight in the vicinity of my baby. What if he was a pedophile? Murderer? Not to be paranoid but I think you should only camp with people you know pretty well.

(Sorry, forgot to hit "reply with quote," that was in response to a post a few pages back where someone mentioned NG had said the friend of Grandpa's who came on the camping trip was previously unknown to the family).

I wonder if the "friend" is the one who had the EMT bag (if there was an EMT bag)?

 

[LayzeeDayzee]

Yes it has been discussed but don't know anything about it. A few of us believe what was said was "empty bag" not "EMT bag".

has the EMT bag been discussed? I'm so confused about this detail

 

[MyBelle]

Well, that's weird, IMO. I would definitely NOT be bringing a stranger who was an acquaintance of my grandfather's along on a camping outing with my baby! I would want to vet anyone who was going to be staying overnight in the vicinity of my baby. What if he was a pedophile? Murderer? Not to be paranoid but I think you should only camp with people you know pretty well.

(Sorry, forgot to hit "reply with quote," that was in response to a post a few pages back where someone mentioned NG had said the friend of Grandpa's who came on the camping trip was previously unknown to the family).

I agree. I think bringing along an unrelated adult to sleep with you in the wilderness is beyond weird. There was NOTHING to do at that campground. You had to hike to the reservoir to fish. I have yet to hear that anybody went fishing. I haven't heard of any swimming beaches nearby. What exactly were they there to do?

JMO

 

[pdxmama]

JMO but I think it is very odd to leave for the store once you got to the camp. We camped a lot when my kids were growing up. Anybody that camps knows to take the items you need. We use to make a list and go over it twice just to be sure we did not forget anything. You don't pick up and leave to just to go get a candy bar. I have a problem with this.

Respectfully, I disagree. My family goes camping a few times a year and often it is for a quick weekend camping at the beach and we are leaving after work on Friday. We often stop in the way or run out after setting up camp for a few items that we forgot due to packing quickly. It is a lot worse since we had kids, too [emoji12]

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[tiffay01]

JMO but I think it is very odd to leave for the store once you got to the camp. We camped a lot when my kids were growing up. Anybody that camps knows to take the items you need. We use to make a list and go over it twice just to be sure we did not forget anything. You don't pick up and leave to just to go get a candy bar. I have a problem with this.

We were camping two weeks ago with my niece who is 3, we made lists checked them multiple times etc. took everything and more than we could use for two days. We no more got to the campsite to realize we didn't bring matches, took my niece with me to the local shop to get matches and look to see if I missed anything else so I didn't have to go back. WELL, my DH was suppose to pack the marshmallows for smores. Long story short he didn't, ended up go back to the store three different times in two days. So I don't personally see an issue with going to the store. IMO

 

[catswhiskers]

Regarding the blanket and other items of Deorr's mentioned - I actually just took it to mean that those items had to be brought along on the trip, not that Deorr had to necessarily be carrying them at all times. My kids never got that attached to particular comfort items that they just had to hold onto at all times, which I was really thankful for as it must be stressful making sure that they are always on hand. But they did have favorite cups, plates, toys that they would seek out until the next favorite came along. I can't even imagine a little one like Deorr carrying a mug, monkey and blanket around as security items - but can see that he would want them at certain times such as nap time, or meal time.

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

People's psychology is complicated. I suspect that one one hand, DK Sr. WANTS to believe that DK Jr. was abducted because it might mean he is still alive. But on the other hand, there is probably some logical part of his mind saying that an abduction is a far less likely scenario than DK Jr. being lost in the woods or having drowned in the water. Just my 2 cents.

Perhaps LE has requested the parents to stay there?

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