ID - DeOrr Kunz Jr, 2, Timber Creek Campground, 10 July 2015 - #10

[giagreen]

Maybe those holes were for trenching to keep his tent from flooding.

He had sticks...or more like skinny logs that he laid acrossed the holes then more logs going the other direction so the stick logs where crisscrossed over the holes. All most like a booby trap you'd fall threw when you walk on what you think is a pile of stick logs. I guess I always asumed it was some nature thing or something I didnt know about. Idk I didn't ask questions and got out of there. He was sitting on a log eating something staring stright ahead. It was weird. Idk what he was up to.

Idk regardless I don't really think anyone took DeOrr but I have realized that sometimes truth is stranger then fiction. I wouldn't be shocked tho if some crazy homeless backpacking schizophrenic did take him because the voices where telling him to.

I use to know a homeless guy named Scott who lived in the woods also. I love homeless people they are pretty interesting. But some can be so dangerous because half the time they are homeless living in the woods because of some type of mental illness.

 

[wondering25]

I don't think there were crazy homeless people, mountain men, or sasquatch in this equation. There were drones and searchers on foot and heat sensitive tracking looking for the baby. Surely, a fort or temporary shelter occupied by some lunatic would have been seen.

Time to go back to the beginning.. arrival dates were off.. I am not going to parse and dream up and make excuses as to why that was.. they arrived on July 9th not July 10th. They went to the store.. (LE has a receipt). A filthy bawling baby was sighted by a store clerk, (on the wrong date per the parents).6PM.evening of July10th ( after the baby was reported missing) vs July 10th when the parents admit to being in the store prior to 1pm when dad said they didnt leave the campsite after 1pm. We don't know who was in that store
on the 10th and if Deorr ever made it back to the campsite if he was part of the store trip "as a family".

Grandpa has been quoted over and over each time with a different time frame ( 10 minutes, 6 minutes, he turned his head for a second, he saw deorr go over the bank) ..i am not sure this poor man saw the baby GO TO THE STORE. The baby may have been thought to be asleep in the camper..parents went to the store.. returned from the store "we thought deorr would be good with GGP by the campfire" and went "exploring" on their own. They come back and the baby is gone and no one knows how long. IMO Deorr was not at the store ..which would make him gone a couple of hours before 911 was called OR he went to the store and never made it back from the store. Quite frankly, i dont believe anything anyone says..Someone knows and the rest are either swearing to it innocently or someone is afraid to not go along with the "company line". JMO

All of the above is just my speculation and MOO.

 

[pepelepolecat]

He had sticks...or more like skinny logs that he laid acrossed the holes then more logs going the other direction so the stick logs where crisscrossed over the holes. All most like a booby trap you'd fall threw when you walk on what you think is a pile of stick logs. I guess I always asumed it was some nature thing or something I didnt know about. Idk I didn't ask questions and got out of there. He was sitting on a log eating something staring stright ahead. It was weird. Idk what he was up to.

Idk regardless I don't really think anyone took DeOrr but I have realized that sometimes truth is stranger then fiction. I wouldn't be shocked tho if some crazy homeless backpacking schizophrenic did take him because the voices where telling him to.

I use to know a homeless guy named Scott who lived in the woods also. I love homeless people they are pretty interesting. But some can be so dangerous because half the time they are homeless living in the woods because of some type of mental illness.

Substance abuse is actually more strongly correlated wtih violence than mental illness.

Regardless, I doubt a homeless mentally ill drug abuser was camped out in the woods near the Kunz family. Wouldn't searchers and have come across the person or the camp at some point? And if they were unable to find an adult camped out, that doesn't say much for their skills. An adult who has been living there is going to leave an awful lot of evidence of his/her presence especially compared to a rather small toddler. I trust that the searchers were more thorough than that.

 

[CanManEh]

OMG for this kids sake get your heads outta the sand this wasnt no crazy cult or alien or a sasquatch yetti godzilla or batman good lord people ..I once heard this saying IF you havn;t got anything good to say then dont say anything at all...well in this case if you havnt got anything plausable to say then dont say anything at all keep the crazy talk to yourself your not helping to find this little boy..

 

[MzOpinion8d]

I don't think the sheriff has ever been able to verify that DeOrr was ever in Lemhi County. I don't think anyone saw him at the store. He said himself he's 99% sure he was at the campground, which to me says "I am not 100% sure he was ever there to begin with."

 

[TeaTime]

I do not think there will be any updates on this case until the FBI investigation is completed and it isn't expected to be finished until the first or second week of October. If anything, at that time we will see volunteer searches but I do not expect LE to announce that the case is solved. It is heartbreaking that Little DeOrr disappeared in the wilderness like so many others and we never know how, they simply remain lost and the case unsolved. Pray for his parents, they are in a nightmare from which they will never awake.

 

[gitana1]

Microchips only have identification information that is scanned after the animal is found. It does not have a GPS to help find an animal. A GPS would take a battery to work. You couldn't have a battery that large implanted.

I don't know. I think the technology is there:

http://gpstracklog.com/2014/09/introducing-implantable-gps-chip-pets.html

But coming from a family that suffered under two facist dictatorships in two different nations, I'm nervous about implanting humans with tracking devices.

However, there are dog collars that can be put on pets and different removable gps devices that can be affixed to kids that can help track them if they go missing.

 

[neesaki]

OMG for this kids sake get your heads outta the sand this wasnt no crazy cult or alien or a sasquatch yetti godzilla or batman good lord people ..I once heard this saying IF you havn;t got anything good to say then dont say anything at all...well in this case if you havnt got anything plausable to say then dont say anything at all keep the crazy talk to yourself your not helping to find this little boy..

I think it's just mostly venting out of frustration and to fill in the void. So FWIW I wouldn't bother getting too bent out of shape over it, lol. I do have to admit I think I must have missed the Sasquatch snatching theory. Was that seriously brought up here?

ETA: Oh wait, I did bring up the Paulides books a while back, only for the reason that his research and documentation of missing persons cases are not only interesting reads but valid resources.Though I never said I ascribed to his off the wall theories and hope I didn't give that impression.

 

[TheTruthWillOut]

I don't think there were crazy homeless people, mountain men, or sasquatch in this equation. There were drones and searchers on foot and heat sensitive tracking looking for the baby. Surely, a fort or temporary shelter occupied by some lunatic would have been seen.

Time to go back to the beginning.. arrival dates were off.. I am not going to parse and dream up and make excuses as to why that was.. they arrived on July 9th not July 10th. They went to the store.. (LE has a receipt). A filthy bawling baby was sighted by a store clerk, (on the wrong date per the parents).6PM.evening of July10th ( after the baby was reported missing) vs July 10th when the parents admit to being in the store prior to 1pm when dad said they didnt leave the campsite after 1pm. We don't know who was in that store
on the 10th and if Deorr ever made it back to the campsite if he was part of the store trip "as a family".

Grandpa has been quoted over and over each time with a different time frame ( 10 minutes, 6 minutes, he turned his head for a second, he saw deorr go over the bank) ..i am not sure this poor man saw the baby GO TO THE STORE. The baby may have been thought to be asleep in the camper..parents went to the store.. returned from the store "we thought deorr would be good with GGP by the campfire" and went "exploring" on their own. They come back and the baby is gone and no one knows how long. IMO Deorr was not at the store ..which would make him gone a couple of hours before 911 was called OR he went to the store and never made it back from the store. Quite frankly, i dont believe anything anyone says..Someone knows and the rest are either swearing to it innocently or someone is afraid to not go along with the "company line". JMO

All of the above is just my speculation and MOO.

I go back to the tracking dogs. They went to the the reservoir and back to camp AFAWK. LE searched and cleared it and then "went in another direction" shortly afterward.

Maybe LE have very good reasons for doing so but the dogs tracking to that reservoir is the only independent/"evidential" anything we have in this case and the cases of Alice Gross and Tia Sharp tell me things get missed. Both these cases had the benefit of vast amounts of CCTV that strongly suggested they were very close to where they were eventually found. In the Tia Sharp case I believe cadaver dog(s) indicated to the loft in the house on the third and fifth searches but the humans still failed to find her until the fifth.

 

[ILOKAL]

I know this is OT, but now I'm curious who you think is the obvious suspect in Kurt's disappearance, is it the man who took his tricycle and put it in the dump, as that's where my hinky meter went up. He told them the trike was off the side of the road there, and he thought it had been discarded so took it to the dump area.... So without bothering to first check it out with the people at the campgrounds you just haul off a perfectly good tricycle to the dump? :waitasec:

They do seem to believe it was foul play though, and not by an animal. And it is very similar to little Deorr's case, at least by the information we have to go by. I still believe someone may have known beforehand where they were going and were there in the area already, or came up early that A.M. and waited. Either knew someone in the group, or followed from the store, or overheard them talking somewhere else. JMO

http://archive.wlbz2.com/news/artic...ter-Kurt-Newton-disappearance-still-a-mystery

There's a WS forum on Kurt Newton. Let's go over there and I'll share my opinion. I don't want us to get in trouble for posting OT here. Maybe you could take your post over there and then I can reply. Here's the link:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?59305-Kurt-Ronald-Newton-(4)-Chain-of-Ponds-ME-1975

Oops, that thread is closed. I wonder why they close a thread when the person is still missing? Where does new information, if any comes about, go?

 

[bluesneakers]

There's a WS forum on Kurt Newton. Let's go over there and I'll share my opinion. I don't want us to get in trouble for posting OT here. Maybe you could take your post over there and then I can reply. Here's the link:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?59305-Kurt-Ronald-Newton-(4)-Chain-of-Ponds-ME-1975

Oops, that thread is closed. I wonder why they close a thread when the person is still missing? Where does new information, if any comes about, go?

Try this:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...rt-Ronald-Newton-4-Chain-of-Ponds-1-Sept-1975

 

[neesaki]

There's a WS forum on Kurt Newton. Let's go over there and I'll share my opinion. I don't want us to get in trouble for posting OT here. Maybe you could take your post over there and then I can reply. Here's the link:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?59305-Kurt-Ronald-Newton-(4)-Chain-of-Ponds-ME-1975

Oops, that thread is closed. I wonder why they close a thread when the person is still missing? Where does new information, if any comes about, go?

Thanks, I did that and now am heading over there to check it out.

 

[ILOKAL]

Try this:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...rt-Ronald-Newton-4-Chain-of-Ponds-1-Sept-1975

Thanks so much blue, it's an open discussion.

 

[wondering25]

I go back to the tracking dogs. They went to the the reservoir and back to camp AFAWK. LE searched and cleared it and then "went in another direction" shortly afterward.

Maybe LE have very good reasons for doing so but the dogs tracking to that reservoir is the only independent/"evidential" anything we have in this case and the cases of Alice Gross and Tia Sharp tell me things get missed. Both these cases had the benefit of vast amounts of CCTV that strongly suggested they were very close to where they were eventually found. In the Tia Sharp case I believe cadaver dog(s) indicated to the loft in the house on the third and fifth searches but the humans still failed to find her until the fifth.

Forgive me but I dont believe the humans and i dont believe the dogs. JMO

 

[TheTruthWillOut]

Forgive me but I dont believe the humans and i dont believe the dogs. JMO

Humans in my example were LE. I was just trying to show that on the fourth search a "specialist" dog indicated but LE ignored it because they had searched and found nothing.

Are you thinking Deorr was never there (at that campground) then? It is something I've thought about but I really don't want it to go in that direction. Then again I recently went down the rabbit hole of the Websleuths archive and read all 47? threads of the Hailey Dunn case.....and well..

If you don't feel you can share your theory, that's fine.

 

[renarde]

Idk regardless I don't really think anyone took DeOrr but I have realized that sometimes truth is stranger then fiction. I wouldn't be shocked tho if some crazy homeless backpacking schizophrenic did take him because the voices where telling him to.

There are lots of people who hike through Leadore as part of their journeys on the CDT. I came across many of these hikers' travel blogs. Apparently, these long-distance hikers often even arrange for some of the Leadore residents to come pick them up from the mountain pass and drive them into town. Sometimes they spend the night in Leadore, so the owner of the inn picks them up and brings them down into Leadore and they stay at the Leadore Inn or the other small motel. Oftentimes, the hikers have a meal at the Silver Dollar or the Stage Stop. Leadore does see a lot of out-of-town hikers just passing through, especially in the summer...

 

[carbuff]

There are lots of people who hike through Leadore as part of their journeys on the CDT. I came across many of these hikers' travel blogs. Apparently, these long-distance hikers often even arrange for some of the Leadore residents to come pick them up from the mountain pass and drive them into town. Sometimes they spend the night in Leadore, so the owner of the inn picks them up and brings them down into Leadore and they stay at the Leadore Inn or the other small motel. Oftentimes, the hikers have a meal at the Silver Dollar or the Stage Stop. Leadore does see a lot of out-of-town hikers just passing through, especially in the summer...

Very typical of long-distance hikers on all the major through trails--Appalachian, Pacific Crest, etc. etc. etc. After days or weeks on the trail, hikers love to get a hot meal and a real bed before striking out again.

There have been a number of cases of people preying on this kind of hiker. Mostly it's robberies and rapes, but there was at least two serial killers on the Appalachian Trail in the southeast.

http://www.miaminewtimes.com/news/a...-killer-linked-to-missing-miami-woman-6528804
http://newsfeed.time.com/2012/08/14/7-things-you-didnt-know-about-the-appalachian-trail/

It's a category of potential perp that I hadn't even thought of until now.

 

[renarde]

Very typical of long-distance hikers on all the major through trails--Appalachian, Pacific Crest, etc. etc. etc. After days or weeks on the trail, hikers love to get a hot meal and a real bed before striking out again.

There have been a number of cases of people preying on this kind of hiker. Mostly it's robberies and rapes, but there was at least two serial killers on the Appalachian Trail in the southeast.

http://www.miaminewtimes.com/news/a...-killer-linked-to-missing-miami-woman-6528804
http://newsfeed.time.com/2012/08/14/7-things-you-didnt-know-about-the-appalachian-trail/

It's a category of potential perp that I hadn't even thought of until now.

That is very interesting. I have really enjoyed reading these hikers' travel blogs. From what I could tell, many enjoy stopping in Leadore because the residents are so accommodating and friendly. Some sleep at the Inn or the motel. Others sleep outside, by the library. They use the library's Internet to catch up on stuff. They also use the Post Office to receive packages. They often plan their journeys accordingly... the Leadore innkeeper usually knows ahead of time when he is to pick up CDT hikers. Some decide to "zero" in Leadore for a day's rest before hitting the trail again. I am amazed at the distances these hikers travel.

 

[carbuff]

That is very interesting. I have really enjoyed reading these hikers' travel blogs. From what I could tell, many enjoy stopping in Leadore because the residents are so accommodating and friendly. Some sleep at the Inn or the motel. Others sleep outside, by the library. They use the library's Internet to catch up on stuff. They also use the Post Office to receive packages. They often plan their journeys accordingly... the Leadore innkeeper usually knows ahead of time when he is to pick up CDT hikers. Some decide to "zero" in Leadore for a day's rest before hitting the trail again. I am amazed at the distances these hikers travel.

Mr. Carbuff has done some longer hikes (a week to 10 days at a time) and some of his friends have hiked the AT. Most people do it in sections because they can't get five or six months off to do the whole thing all at once, but the ones who do tend to go looking for another long hike. It's kind of addictive, I gather.

 

[ILOKAL]

Thanks, I did that and now am heading over there to check it out.

Thanks neesaki. I just posted my reply over there.