ID - DeOrr Kunz Jr, 2, Timber Creek Campground, 10 July 2015 - #9

[bluesneakers]

Is this speculation or was it reported that IR left carrying a backpack to search and returned from the search without said backpack?

The original comment read to me like he was stashed in a backpack somewhere and DeOrr's parents didn't see it at all.

 

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[ILOKAL]

No LE have not said if they passed or not. Some of us know the results but we are not allowed to post that information.

And how would some of you KNOW the results of the polygraphs?

 

[Eileen730]

I don't know if I'm allowed to say this - but if my child just disappeared and there were no sign of them anywhere I would be continually contacting TV, newspapers, whatever social media I had available, for news and to get information out there. I would be desperate.
I have suffered loss of a close loved one, and I understand that it makes you numb and incapable of operating normally. I have also found that being active is a way of coping with a loss.
God knows I would be active in searching. I wouldn't want people to forget, to miss the chance of a sighting somewhere even if it's some distance away.
Something terrible has happened here. Why has it all gone so quiet?

Because just maybe all he'll is going to break loose.

I sure hope so.

But usually when these little ones go missing they are never found and no one is charged.

 

[bluesneakers]

And how would some of you KNOW the results of the polygraphs?

From FB rumours.

 

[eileenhawkeye]

There are two possibilites for why the parents could be completely innocent and not talk to the media:

Although they are saying they think Deorr was abducted, they realize that he most likely got lost in the woods, and died shortly after. The sheriff is saying they don't think Deorr was abducted, so that tells me that there has been zero evidence presented to the parents pointing in that direction.

They think the story is much bigger than it is. They might look it like: There's an active FB page on our son's case, active forums, the PI and sheriff just gave interviews last week, the case was on Nancy Grace and People Magazine, it's been in the local media, wow, that's a lot of people commenting, etc. Wasn't it a MN media outlet that reported Deorr had been found? The parents have talked about rumors, they might think that the entire state is gossiping about every aspect of this case. They might think that this case is so well-known in Idaho that they don't have to do media appearences, that people are looking for their son. I've seen many cases where followers have false perspectives on how big a case is. Maybe that is happening here.

 

[jessie]

From FB rumours.

Thank you for this, but surely that's all it is, just rumours?

 

[ILOKAL]

Well, they can if they have absolute proof that something else happened. That evidence would prove what happened while also proving what didn't happen.

That goes without saying - straight across the board - in either direction. I think that was my point.

 

[ILOKAL]

Is this speculation or was it reported that IR left carrying a backpack to search and returned from the search without said backpack?

Refer to katydid23's Post #970 (Page 65) where she suggested that scenario. That was my response.

 

[desert-blue]

By their own account, the parents left their child to be watched by a person with physical, and possibly mental, limitations in a setting with many dangers. Perhaps not criminal (we all make mistakes and have errors in judgment) but certainly not "completely innocent." I think that is the "best" case scenario as far as the parents are concerned, but the fact that no trace of the child or his clothing have been found seems to render their account a bit unbelievable. A child can't vanish into thin air in a matter of minutes with four adults in close proximity. So, either their story/timeline is not accurate or something else happened. MOO.

 

[leep]

Does he have dementia, though, or is this one of those rumors that became a fact somewhere earlier in the threads?

(I haven't seen a news article that actually said he had dementia but am open to the idea -- just not sure it's a fact or a rumor).

He's got COPD from a work related injury found in a lawsuit but I don't think he's got dementia according to TB.

 

[desert-blue]

He's got COPD from a work related injury found in a lawsuit but I don't think he's got dementia according to TB.

If he has a mental condition beyond normal aging, such as dementia or Alzheimer's, I really don't think his family (or the law) would allow him to continue driving and/or have a valid driver's license (which he obviously has). People with those conditions get easily confused when driving and can't remember where they are going or how to get home - it can be very scary. I don't think that is the case here.

ETA: I agree with you - I don't think he has dementia either.

 

[kammiemc]

He's got COPD from a work related injury found in a lawsuit but I don't think he's got dementia according to TB.

Was it just a rumor that he was not named a POI originally due to physical and mental issues? (I haven't read anything on FB, so assumed (never assume!!!!) it was legit info. Maybe he doesn't have diminished mental capacity at all. In which case, I have to ask, why the heck didn't he make sure DeOrr met up with his parents went he went over the embankment, if he did?


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[Eileen730]

He's got COPD from a work related injury found in a lawsuit but I don't think he's got dementia according to TB.

He needs oxygen

 

[starfire]

Yeah, this has been bothering me too, the case is basically cold, just waiting for
FBI info, the parents should be organizing searches, getting any media attention
they can, but nothing.

When the timeline (when family arrived) was being debated, IIRC, Jessica's Mother (I guess it might have been someone saying it was her mother) on FB wrote that they arrived Friday, and then went to store, and she had txt to prove, so it's weird that they really arrived Thursday night. (Odd) The other problem for me, is the PI mention of the old man starring at DeOrr that made Jessica nervous.... It was a smoke screen,(IMO) eluding or enforcing the abduction theory, why would the parents WANT to do that... Idk

The "rumor" I saw from Jessica's mother, which was posted in the comments under an article about Deorr on the KIFI News 8 FB page, said they arrived Thursday about 9:30pm.

 

[desert-blue]

Was it just a rumor that he was not named a POI originally due to physical and mental issues? (I haven't read anything on FB, so assumed (never assume!!!!) it was legit info. Maybe he doesn't have diminished mental capacity at all. In which case, I have to ask, why the heck didn't he make sure DeOrr met up with his parents went he went over the embankment, if he did?

http://www.eastidahonews.com/2015/07/sheriff-family-friend-not-a-suspect-in-deorr-kunz-case/
July 27th
"The great-grandfather, who authorities have not identified, also has not been labeled as a suspect. Authorities said his declining physical and mental health ruled him out at the beginning of the case."

http://www.ktvb.com/story/news/local/idaho/2015/07/28/lemhi-search-deorr-kuna-persons-interest/30799181/
July 28th
"The sheriff says the great-grandfather is not considered a suspect due to his declining physical and mental health."

 

[ClaireNC]

Was it just a rumor that he was not named a POI originally due to physical and mental issues? (I haven't read anything on FB, so assumed (never assume!!!!) it was legit info. Maybe he doesn't have diminished mental capacity at all. In which case, I have to ask, why the heck didn't he make sure DeOrr met up with his parents went he went over the embankment, if he did?


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The sheriff was quoted in an article saying that he has declining mental and physical health. But as others have said, the family has not confirmed that he has dementia. The lack of oxygen to the brain could cause him to be confused at times. Apparently he also has prostate cancer.

ETA, I see somebody just posted the article above.

 

[starfire]

Was it just a rumor that he was not named a POI originally due to physical and mental issues? (I haven't read anything on FB, so assumed (never assume!!!!) it was legit info. Maybe he doesn't have diminished mental capacity at all. In which case, I have to ask, why the heck didn't he make sure DeOrr met up with his parents went he went over the embankment, if he did?

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East Idaho News had posted an article saying the GGF was ruled out and that the other 3 were POIs. Was the GGF later added as a POI or has he never been named as a person of interest (I forgot)?

Bowerman said Reinwand, similar to Mitchell and Kunz, are “persons of interest” in this case because they were at the scene. However, at this time, neither Reinwand, Mitchell or Kunz are suspects in the missing persons case.

The great-grandfather, who authorities have not identified, also has not been labeled as a suspect. Authorities said his declining physical and mental health ruled him out at the beginning of the case.

http://www.eastidahonews.com/2015/07/sheriff-family-friend-not-a-suspect-in-deorr-kunz-case/

 

[Paulas88]

The "rumor" I saw from Jessica's mother, which was posted in the comments under an article about Deorr on the KIFI News 8 FB page, said they arrived Thursday about 9:30pm.

Ah, ok. Thanks for clarifying that for me starfire.

 

[desert-blue]

I went back and looked at some of the articles to get an idea of when great-grandpa changed to person of interest.

http://www.eastidahonews.com/2015/07/sheriff-family-friend-not-a-suspect-in-deorr-kunz-case/
July 27th
"Bowerman said Reinwand, similar to Mitchell and Kunz, are “persons of interest” in this case because they were at the scene. However, at this time, neither Reinwand, Mitchell or Kunz are suspects in the missing persons case."

http://www.ktvb.com/story/news/local/idaho/2015/07/28/lemhi-search-deorr-kuna-persons-interest/30799181/
July 28th
"Bowerman also confirmed that Reinwand, as well as the boy's parents Jessica Mitchell and DeOrr Kunz are persons of interest in the case because they were at the scene. They are not being called suspects at this time."


Starting on July 31st, he began calling all four of them persons of interest:


http://www.kboi2.com/news/local/DeOrr-Kunz-Missing-Idaho-320303121.html
July 31st
"Bowerman said everyone at the campsite is considered a person of interest in the case, however, none of them are suspects -- this includes the parents, the child's great-grandfather and family friend Isaac Reinwand."

http://www.eastidahonews.com/2015/07/parents-of-deorr-kunz-we-pray-our-lil-man-will-be-found/
July 31st
Earlier this week, Bowerman told EastIdahoNews.com that DeOrr’s parents, great-grandfather and Reinwand are considered “persons of interest” because they were all at the campsite but, at this point, none of them are considered suspects.


On August 18th, he revealed that all four of them took polygraphs, which tells me that great-grandpa can't be too mentally deficient (although apparently IR took one also and we have seen firsthand how mentally aware he is...)

http://www.eastidahonews.com/2015/08/lemhi-sheriff-opens-up-about-deorr-kunz-case/
August 18th
“All four have voluntarily taken polygraphs and right now they’ve been turned over to the FBI,” Bowerman said.

Not sure this tells us anything really. Just that sometime between the 27th and the 31st, the sheriff started to include great-grandpa as a person of interest. Also, the later articles also stop commenting on his declining physical and mental health. Perhaps his health issues were somewhat exaggerated at the beginning? I still don't think the great-grandpa had anything sinister to do with Deorr's disappearance. I just think they needed to include him because he was there and after receiving a speeding ticket on July 31st, people may have questioned how his health could be so debilitating that he could not even be considered a person of interest. MOO.