ID - DeOrr Kunz Jr, 2, Timber Creek Campground, 10 July 2015 - #10

[desert-blue]

Does anyone know what "Failed AV" stands for on the Idaho SOR (for a local RSO who is listed as "non-compliant" as of today)?

Now, that is pretty weird. It gets stranger by the minute. Has she now disappeared too?

OT, but is it possible that this flurry of recent activity is perhaps because the FBI is about to release its findings?

 

[renarde]

Now, that is pretty weird. It gets stranger by the minute. Has she now disappeared too?

OT, but is it possible that this flurry of recent activity is perhaps because the FBI is about to release its findings?

Doubtful she vanished too. Probably changed addresses and didn't update. She's probably still in Leadore... somewhere.

The other RSO's temporary address expired today so I guess he will be leaving the area.

 

[JadeSLeuth]

I think the statement that those two items were seized was the P.I.'s way of trying to paint a picture of GGP in coveralls with an axe. (The insinuations are nasty.) I assume there were more things seized from the site. A camping stove, blankets, marshmallow skewers, a tea pot? I think, for some reason, if it were DeOrr Sr's axe and coveralls, some might be outraged by the statement, but because it's an old man we have never seen on camera, it's fine to paint that picture?



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Interesting kammmiemc. Making me think about things tonight! Doesn't matter who owns it, it matters who had access to use it. For the record, let me be clear that I don't believe the axe and coveralls play into DeOrr's disappearance.

While we can't know if his intent was to paint a picture, I would suggest that he is likely quite successful in creating a mental image for at least some readers. It did for me, a most unwelcome one, and it doesn't matter who is in the image with an axe and coveralls ...for me its the items alone in this circumstance. I don't think for one second that the two things are of importance but geez ..there they are in my head!
MOOOO

 

[Cardinal47]

Often times I find myself thinking about JM's other two young children that live with their father.

Have they had any counseling? Surely they notice their little baby brother is missing when they visit mom.

I wonder what they are being told? That would certainly be scary to young children. Afraid it might happen to them.

They too are victims.

 

[kammiemc]

Often times I find myself thinking about JM's other two young children that live with their father.

Have they had any counseling? Surely they notice their little baby brother is missing when they visit mom.

I wonder what they are being told? That would certainly be scary to young children. Afraid it might happen to them.

They too are victims.

From the little we have been privy to, that dad sounds very good. And he must be a good guy because courts favor granting custody to moms over dads.


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[rkf]

Does anyone know what "Failed AV" stands for on the Idaho SOR (for a local RSO who is listed as "non-compliant" as of today)?

VERY interesting...

Not verifying one's address is a felony. Why would someone not return the updated form that needs to be filed every four months?

https://www.idoc.idaho.gov/content/...er_management/information_for_ sex_ offenders

 

[rkf]

Now, that is pretty weird. It gets stranger by the minute. Has she now disappeared too?

OT, but is it possible that this flurry of recent activity is perhaps because the FBI is about to release its findings?

Wonder if she's the witness to whom KIDK is referring...

 

[JadeSLeuth]

Wonder if she's the witness to whom KIDK is referring...

Yikes bikes...

 

[dek]

From the little we have been privy to, that dad sounds very good. And he must be a good guy because courts favor granting custody to moms over dads.


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Often times I find myself thinking about JM's other two young children that live with their father.

Have they had any counseling? Surely they notice their little baby brother is missing when they visit mom.

I wonder what they are being told? That would certainly be scary to young children. Afraid it might happen to them.

They too are victims.

His SM postings say that he told the other children early on that baby DeOrr was missing. They seemed to be close to him from the pics posted there. (celebrating his birthday and playing with him) He does seem like a very caring father and I think is also very fond of baby DeOrr.

 

[kammiemc]

Wonder if she's the witness to whom KIDK is referring...

Are you guys talking about the woman in the kitchen?


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[neesaki]

I get the impression that little Deorr's mom is rather an introvert, more the quiet shy type, may be not very comfortable in front of people. I can understand that as I'm the same way. She also looked quite depressed in that last interview, I don't think she's functioning well at all, JMO. That may be one explanation why they aren't more in the public eye.

No, this family is not very vocal, certainly nothing like Beth Holloway who didn't hesitate to get out and make a lot of noise and constantly kept Natalie's case in the headlines. And she had a lot of blame and criticism leveled against her as well, that she allowed her 18 y/o daughter to go to Aruba where alcohol was legal and with very few chaperons. All against Mr. Holloway's wishes, a very wise man, IMO.

I guess my point is that how they are dealing with this in the public eye doesn't mean they are guilty of anything and don't want their son to be found as much as any parent would. They are who they are, that's all. Not to mention all of the cruel baseless accusations and criticisms being thrown around on SM which certainly haven't helped. I don't know what happened to little Deorr, but I want to give the parents the benefit of the doubt unless or until I see evidence and reason not to do so. JMO

 

[ILOKAL]

I guess we now know some of the items that were given to the FBI for analysis!

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Perhaps, but then those same items would not have been "seized" by the FBI!

 

[kammiemc]

His SM postings say that he told the other children early on that baby DeOrr was missing. They seemed to be close to him from the pics posted there. (celebrating his birthday and playing with him) He does seem like a very caring father and I think is also very fond of baby DeOrr.

ITA, but the second quote you quoted wasn't actually from me. I just responded to it! Fyi.


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[kammiemc]

I get the impression that little Deorr's mom is rather an introvert, more the quiet shy type, may be not very comfortable in front of people. I can understand that as I'm the same way. She also looked quite depressed in that last interview, I don't think she's functioning well at all, JMO. That may be one explanation why they aren't more in the public eye.

No, this family is not very vocal, certainly nothing like Beth Holloway who didn't hesitate to get out and make a lot of noise and constantly kept Natalie's case in the headlines. And she had a lot of blame and criticism leveled against her as well, that she allowed her 18 y/o daughter to go to Aruba where alcohol was legal and with very few chaperons. All against Mr. Holloway's wishes, a very wise man, IMO.

I guess my point is that how they are dealing with this in the public eye doesn't mean they are guilty of anything and don't want their son to be found as much as any parent would. They are who they are, that's all. Not to mention all of the cruel baseless accusations and criticisms being thrown around on SM which certainly haven't helped. I don't know what happened to little Deorr, but I want to give the parents the benefit of the doubt unless or until I see evidence and reason not to do so. JMO

I just felt a little bad for Beth in what you said just now. I had never heard it framed that way--that Beth let Natalie go to Aruba (drinking age 18) against Mr. Hollloway's wishes. Are you blaming her in a little way for Natalie's death? Like you would have made a different decision and kept her home, so now she would be alive? I guess that's pretty much the same thing people are doing in this case.

ETA: I just re-read what you said and realize your point was less specific to Beth/more universal that we all make mistakes. But, geeze, I have felt for Beth from day one.
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[dek]

ITA, but the second quote you quoted wasn't actually from me. I just responded to it! Fyi.


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I was just responding to both quotes, your quote about the father of the other children and the other quote wondering how/if the children were told about baby DeOrr. Both quotes listed who they were from. ddsmiley:

 

[kammiemc]

I was just responding to both quotes, your quote about the father of the other children and the other quote wondering how/if the children were told about baby DeOrr. Both quotes listed who they were from. ddsmiley:

I think that is a tech glitch with the multiple quotes system!! That might explain why some peeps get TO's just for responding to off-TOS posts. It's alllll coming together. [emoji4]


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[ILOKAL]

This video shows the campsite, the creek and the steep hill that goes down to it. Also, Nate E. points out the area where the parents went off to explore away from the campsite. After reading that chilling post on the Idaho City-Data forum, I'm starting to lean more strongly towards him being taken by a cougar. Oh that poor baby. :cry:
[video=youtube;qvZbH7NSadA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvZbH7NSadA[/video]

Neesaki, I agree with you about the cougar. Although I have considered some other possibilities, I always come back to the mountain lion. I agree with the poster on the Idaho City-Data forum as he/she recognizes the behavior of the big cats. The video you posted shows how close to the forest their campsite was. Both the tree line and the wooded area adjacent to the creek is a perfect place for the cougar to have been stalking little Deorr unbeknownst to anyone. No one would have seen it, even this close, because they are not supposed to be seen. That's how they hunt so successfully. Cougars who are on the prowl for food are passing through and would not go around marking territory. Cougar sign is not easy to see because it blends in so well with the environment. Lack of finding signs of a cougar in the area does not at all mean that a cougar was not there. This is a rugged forest, not a plush landscape. Nothing as unremarkable as scat is easily visible. Wherever little Deorr is, I pray he is found soon.

 

[neesaki]

I just felt a little bad for Beth in what you said just now. I had never heard it framed that way--that Beth let Natalie go to Aruba (drinking age 18) against Mr. Hollloway's wishes. Are you blaming her in a little way for Natalie's death? Like you would have made a different decision and kept her home, so now she would be alive? I guess that's pretty much the same thing people are doing in this case.


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My main point was that there was criticism of her decision to let Natalie go, while Natalie's father didn't want her to go. Although I do acknowledge that Mr. Holloway had the better judgment, i don't "blame" Beth. The poor woman lost her daughter after all and I'm sure carries more than her share of guilt. I don't think it's the same thing as in this case anyway, because we have no idea what happened to little Deorr. There wasn't drinking, drugging, partying as far as we know. And his parents didn't send him out of the country without them, they and the grandfather were right there. It's just not the same situation. I only brought Natalee's case up to compare the difference in how the parents do or don't use the media and how vocal or not vocal they are. They are totally different personality styles, they are quiet and reserved and media shy, while Natalee's mom is/was not. Sorry if my post wasn't clear.

 

[desert-blue]

Doubtful she vanished too. Probably changed addresses and didn't update. She's probably still in Leadore... somewhere.

The other RSO's temporary address expired today so I guess he will be leaving the area.

It appears to me that her residence is right next to the Silver Dollar. It may even be on the same lot as the restaurant (looks to be a mobile home). I doubt she moved. I looked at some other non-compliant offenders and I think AV may mean Annual Verification. So, I think maybe she just failed to register on time?

Fromhttps://www.idoc.idaho.gov/content/probation_and_parole/sex_offender_management/information_for_%20sex_%20offenders

Annual Registration: All offenders are required to register annually with their local sheriff's office. Registration verifications are mailed every four (4) months after the initial registration is completed and will have the day/month the offender is required to register annually. Sex offenders are required to fill out the verification forms and returned by mail within seven (7) days of original stamped mailing date. Annual registration is required and failing to register as a sex offender in the state of Idaho is a felony. All failure to register cases will be referred to local law enforcement to be charged as such by IDOC staff.

 

[desert-blue]

New leads in missing DeOrr Kunz case

http://www.localnews8.com/news/new-leads-in-missing-deorr-kunz-case/35276162